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uthemofo · 05-24-2007, 01:27 PM

Alright I have a question, I am going to buy this S13 and its pretty far from my house and I'm going to trailor it home but, the problem is the guy lost the keys for it and the steering wheel is locked. I have no way of getting it onto the trailor this was and i was wondering if there is a way to unlock it so i can turn the wheels.

thanks guys
matt

s13gold · 05-24-2007, 01:28 PM

pretend like you stole it...

take out the ignition cylinder and replace it with a new one from your local auto parts dealer...or online...make sure the years are the same.

uthemofo · 05-24-2007, 01:35 PM

yea its not that easy to just replace the ignition cylinder because they use the anit theft brake off bolts which you have to drill then easy out to get them off.
ive done it before

any other way? i would like to take the car home and get keys made from AAA for free because I do have AAA plus, might as well use it.

TheWolf · 05-24-2007, 02:24 PM

Dude... call locksmith have him come out and cut a key on site. I had one come out and crank out two new keys for mine when I lost mine. Took an hour or so and was $105. Anything short of that will be painful. Please don't start removing ignition cylinders. Soon you'll have a key for the ignition, one for the door, and one for the trunk if you keep that up.

uthemofo · 05-24-2007, 02:30 PM

yea exactly my point why i dont want to have to change the cylinder. Do you think I sould call AAA and have them come out and do it, its free.

Rayne · 05-24-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by uthemofo

yea exactly my point why i dont want to have to change the cylinder. Do you think I sould call AAA and have them come out and do it, its free.

It's either that or go to a local dealership with the vin number and proof that you own the car.

nissanguy13 · 05-24-2007, 02:36 PM

thats kind of jacked up if the seller is making you deal with it. Why isnt he the one paying to get a new key made?

uthemofo · 05-24-2007, 02:37 PM

cause the car is cheap and he wants to get rid of it

slownslurious · 05-24-2007, 02:41 PM

I'd go out and tell AAA its your car and you just lost your key... I really did lose my key while jogging and they came and cut me 2 new keys for free ( I have plus memebership too)
if they know its a car you just bought they probably won't cover it though. act like its yours and just lost your key.

projectRDM · 05-24-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayne

It's either that or go to a local dealership with the vin number and proof that you own the car.

Dealers only keep the key codes for 10 years back in most cases.

Sir · 05-24-2007, 03:45 PM

they cant a key for my 98

pull the door handle, bring it to locksmith. done
Cheaper than having them come out if you don't have AAA. $24 for my key.

i need tires · 05-24-2007, 03:49 PM

Remove the trunk tumbler and have a key cut by a locksmith. remember to TAKE to the locksmith it will be alot cheaper...

Jung918 · 05-24-2007, 04:07 PM

If you look in the glove compartment, there is a sticker with a key #. Never used it but it could help.

*swayray* · 05-24-2007, 04:11 PM

if you have other nissan keys.. try them... see if they work...

shhhh... don't tell anyone else... ok?

uthemofo · 05-24-2007, 06:21 PM

yup tried ALL of my nissan keys... no luck

ctm_motortrends · 05-24-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by R240NA

Dealers only keep the key codes for 10 years back in most cases.

The guy everyone loves to hate..Haha....I Love this guy makes me laugh all the time +1 green for you because your the best...

TheWolf · 05-24-2007, 06:52 PM

I have a feeling this car is a gutted shell or is missing an engine or something. AAA isn't going to cut the key if they see the car.

amanalone11 · 05-24-2007, 07:18 PM

Use the glove box number to have a key made, my key got so dull it would hardly work and was falling out of my ignition, so i went to a locksmith, gave him the number and voila a brand new perfect key, it even says datsun on it just like the oem key.

Unit-121 · 05-24-2007, 07:35 PM

SIR has a good point take it to a lock smith if the lock smith goes to the car instead of you bringing the car to him (wich you can't) he will carge you about $75.Trust dont go to the dealer they were charging me about 250 for two keys . The locksmith charge me $85 for two keys. It's the only way to go.

uthemofo · 05-24-2007, 08:36 PM

naw the car isnt gutted its just very dirty inside, running car,
surprisingly very clean exterior, only thing is, is that it has on a
doughnut, but im going to put on a regular wheel before they come.

The REAL QUESTION IS PEOPLE
Is there any way i can unlock the steering wheel without a key????????

just need to load it on the trailor and take it home

eastcoastS14 · 05-24-2007, 08:43 PM

the owner will have to be there with you...usually AAA wont do anything unless the owner is there and the car has plates on it....so make sure you got both

bamaboy · 05-24-2007, 08:55 PM

you aren't getting that steering wheel unlocked without keys playa

sleepy_s13 · 05-24-2007, 09:08 PM

there is a code in the glove box for the keys a locksmith should be able to make you one

slownslurious · 05-24-2007, 09:39 PM

slide bar hammer will destroy the steering wheel lock but thats not a cool solution.

oh and be careful using trunk/door keys, make sure they use all the pins the ignition ones do, on a lot of foreign/older cars, the door keys only use the first 3 pins or so.

projectRDM · 05-24-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy_s13

there is a code in the glove box for the keys a locksmith should be able to make you one

Quote:

Originally Posted by amanalone11

Use the glove box number to have a key made

To both of you, read above. The key code is only for the dealer to use and they do not keep that information after 10 years. 99% of the time the code is long gone before the new owner gets the car. *If* on the off chance it still exists in the glovebox they may be able to cut a key, but doubtful.

Best bet, pull the rear latch and key it, it's the easiest to get out on either chassis and is the least likely to be worn out.

s13silvia123 · 05-24-2007, 10:30 PM

i just broke mine off when i had my parts s13 cause i lost the key.

ch1873857 · 05-24-2007, 10:41 PM

the lock cylinder is easy as shit to get off guys. i did have a 16 year nissan tech teach me the trick but. 2 things you can do. get access to the the gold color bolts that bolt the top and bottom piece of the lock cylinder together. they wont have any kind of way to get them out ( no + or - or hex) no need for drilling. these bolts are barely tourqued ( slightly tighter than hand tightened)

either 1. take a center punch or anything with a good point and a hammer. pick a spot on the outside of the bolt (its sunken into the lock cylinder itself) so you have something to wedge it between and keep it still. hold the center punch at angle as to when you hit it with a hammer the center punch will essentially punch into the soft bolt and unscrew. its really hard to explain but this is a simple concept. again these bolts are not tight.

2. which is what we had to do because when we bought the car off the guy, he had shit for tools in his garage. i went through this same thing. i located a nifty hacksaw. yes folks a hacksaw. since the bolts are sunken into the lock cylinder you have to cut into the lockcylinder itself to cut into the bolt. dont worry its not much and thats really weak aluminum. the right bolt( if your facing the steering wheel is really the only one i could get to but i just cut a - into it running parallel with the car. take a flathead and unscrew that bitch. you will be surprised at how loose they are. you cant use the lock cylinder anymore so what i did what took the same flathead and pry the top and bottom half of the cylinder apart. again. its weak, dont be afraid to put force into it. basically i pried it apart until i could just slide it over the steering column. done.

ImporteXBUILT · 05-24-2007, 10:49 PM

Anyone know the price to get new keys and locks for both doors, ignition and the rear hatch?

***FaLKoN240*** · 05-25-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ctm_motortrends

The guy everyone loves to hate..Haha....I Love this guy makes me laugh all the time +1 green for you because your the best...

You can't give green. You have TWO RED squares. LOL.

slownslurious · 05-25-2007, 07:33 AM

a locksmith can cut keys off the impression of the ignition cylinder without removing it, but they can also cut one off the cylinder if you bring it to them. when you stick a blank key in, it will pop up all the pins and they can judge by how far the pins stick up and cut it by code that way.
I just had to have a key cut that way for my GSXR.
oh, and another fun story- the wheels on my old escort were stuck on the hubs when my dad and I were doing a brake job, and we couldn't get one of em off, so my dad just started fucking kicking it like really hard, putting his weight behind it. finally it came lose, but before it did, he kicked it so hard it broke the steering lock, and it never worked after that.
I doubt that will work with your nissan though (but it does serve as a reminder as to why the ignition lock should never be the sole safeguard when towing on the front wheels).

05-24-2007, 01:27 PM	#1
uthemofo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Buying car, LOSt keys, LOCKEd steering wheel please helP!!!!!!!!!! Alright I have a question, I am going to buy this S13 and its pretty far from my house and I'm going to trailor it home but, the problem is the guy lost the keys for it and the steering wheel is locked. I have no way of getting it onto the trailor this was and i was wondering if there is a way to unlock it so i can turn the wheels. thanks guys matt __________________ My Feedback

05-24-2007, 01:35 PM	#3
uthemofo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yea its not that easy to just replace the ignition cylinder because they use the anit theft brake off bolts which you have to drill then easy out to get them off. ive done it before any other way? i would like to take the car home and get keys made from AAA for free because I do have AAA plus, might as well use it. __________________ My Feedback

05-24-2007, 02:24 PM	#4
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Dude... call locksmith have him come out and cut a key on site. I had one come out and crank out two new keys for mine when I lost mine. Took an hour or so and was $105. Anything short of that will be painful. Please don't start removing ignition cylinders. Soon you'll have a key for the ignition, one for the door, and one for the trunk if you keep that up. __________________ Eye on the Prize

05-24-2007, 02:30 PM	#5
uthemofo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yea exactly my point why i dont want to have to change the cylinder. Do you think I sould call AAA and have them come out and do it, its free. __________________ My Feedback

05-24-2007, 02:37 PM	#8
uthemofo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	cause the car is cheap and he wants to get rid of it __________________ My Feedback

05-24-2007, 01:28 PM	#2
s13gold Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CARSON Posts: 4,240 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	pretend like you stole it... take out the ignition cylinder and replace it with a new one from your local auto parts dealer...or online...make sure the years are the same.

05-24-2007, 02:41 PM	#9
slownslurious Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: somewhereville Posts: 406 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd go out and tell AAA its your car and you just lost your key... I really did lose my key while jogging and they came and cut me 2 new keys for free ( I have plus memebership too) if they know its a car you just bought they probably won't cover it though. act like its yours and just lost your key.

05-24-2007, 03:49 PM	#12
i need tires Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chandler, Az Age: 38 Posts: 1,056 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Remove the trunk tumbler and have a key cut by a locksmith. remember to TAKE to the locksmith it will be alot cheaper... __________________ JadeCantDrift Blogspot

05-24-2007, 04:07 PM	#13
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05-24-2007, 06:21 PM	#15
uthemofo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yup tried ALL of my nissan keys... no luck __________________ My Feedback

05-24-2007, 06:52 PM	#17
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have a feeling this car is a gutted shell or is missing an engine or something. AAA isn't going to cut the key if they see the car. __________________ Eye on the Prize

05-24-2007, 07:18 PM	#18
amanalone11 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wentzville, MO Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Use the glove box number to have a key made, my key got so dull it would hardly work and was falling out of my ignition, so i went to a locksmith, gave him the number and voila a brand new perfect key, it even says datsun on it just like the oem key.

05-24-2007, 07:35 PM	#19
Unit-121 BANNED Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Alhambra Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SIR has a good point take it to a lock smith if the lock smith goes to the car instead of you bringing the car to him (wich you can't) he will carge you about $75.Trust dont go to the dealer they were charging me about 250 for two keys . The locksmith charge me $85 for two keys. It's the only way to go.

05-24-2007, 08:36 PM	#20
uthemofo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: san jose Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	naw the car isnt gutted its just very dirty inside, running car, surprisingly very clean exterior, only thing is, is that it has on a doughnut, but im going to put on a regular wheel before they come. The REAL QUESTION IS PEOPLE Is there any way i can unlock the steering wheel without a key???????? just need to load it on the trailor and take it home __________________ My Feedback

05-24-2007, 08:43 PM	#21
eastcoastS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the land of snow potholes and no tracks Posts: 3,984 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	the owner will have to be there with you...usually AAA wont do anything unless the owner is there and the car has plates on it....so make sure you got both

05-24-2007, 09:08 PM	#23
sleepy_s13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2006 Location: West Covina Age: 38 Posts: 569 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	there is a code in the glove box for the keys a locksmith should be able to make you one __________________ $K:\pics\Cars\new sig bridge copy.jpg$

05-24-2007, 09:39 PM	#24
slownslurious Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: somewhereville Posts: 406 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	slide bar hammer will destroy the steering wheel lock but thats not a cool solution. oh and be careful using trunk/door keys, make sure they use all the pins the ignition ones do, on a lot of foreign/older cars, the door keys only use the first 3 pins or so.

05-24-2007, 10:30 PM	#26
s13silvia123 Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: where waldo is Age: 43 Posts: 3,267 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	i just broke mine off when i had my parts s13 cause i lost the key. __________________ 18g and 20g turbo users click on me http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/261219-18g-20g-turbo-users.html

05-24-2007, 10:41 PM	#27
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,906 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	the lock cylinder is easy as shit to get off guys. i did have a 16 year nissan tech teach me the trick but. 2 things you can do. get access to the the gold color bolts that bolt the top and bottom piece of the lock cylinder together. they wont have any kind of way to get them out ( no + or - or hex) no need for drilling. these bolts are barely tourqued ( slightly tighter than hand tightened) either 1. take a center punch or anything with a good point and a hammer. pick a spot on the outside of the bolt (its sunken into the lock cylinder itself) so you have something to wedge it between and keep it still. hold the center punch at angle as to when you hit it with a hammer the center punch will essentially punch into the soft bolt and unscrew. its really hard to explain but this is a simple concept. again these bolts are not tight. 2. which is what we had to do because when we bought the car off the guy, he had shit for tools in his garage. i went through this same thing. i located a nifty hacksaw. yes folks a hacksaw. since the bolts are sunken into the lock cylinder you have to cut into the lockcylinder itself to cut into the bolt. dont worry its not much and thats really weak aluminum. the right bolt( if your facing the steering wheel is really the only one i could get to but i just cut a - into it running parallel with the car. take a flathead and unscrew that bitch. you will be surprised at how loose they are. you cant use the lock cylinder anymore so what i did what took the same flathead and pry the top and bottom half of the cylinder apart. again. its weak, dont be afraid to put force into it. basically i pried it apart until i could just slide it over the steering column. done.

05-24-2007, 10:49 PM	#28
ImporteXBUILT Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 35 Posts: 149 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Anyone know the price to get new keys and locks for both doors, ignition and the rear hatch?

05-25-2007, 07:33 AM	#30
slownslurious Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: somewhereville Posts: 406 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a locksmith can cut keys off the impression of the ignition cylinder without removing it, but they can also cut one off the cylinder if you bring it to them. when you stick a blank key in, it will pop up all the pins and they can judge by how far the pins stick up and cut it by code that way. I just had to have a key cut that way for my GSXR. oh, and another fun story- the wheels on my old escort were stuck on the hubs when my dad and I were doing a brake job, and we couldn't get one of em off, so my dad just started fucking kicking it like really hard, putting his weight behind it. finally it came lose, but before it did, he kicked it so hard it broke the steering lock, and it never worked after that. I doubt that will work with your nissan though (but it does serve as a reminder as to why the ignition lock should never be the sole safeguard when towing on the front wheels).