powersteering or not? drift car...

[lilrookz]

well this became a huge heated argument on facebook earlier today and i wanted to get some of your guys opinions. on a drift car, do you prefer power steering or no p/s? & why?

[aziankingz]

i dont drift but i would think you would like to turn your damn wheel when you drift, since most of the time you will be turning the wheel..

[!Zar!]

Depends on caster and which car is in question.

Personally, I couldn't imagine having no power steering.

[JDM_Tuner]

yes, after a day of drifting with no ps, your wrists will be sprained, or at the least theyll hurt.

[karl wasabi]

My preference is power steering.

I've drifted a corolla before without power steering and it was quite a handful. I've also driven an S13 after the power steering failed, and that was near impossible. But then again you're also fighting against fluids that aren't moving. It would be interesting to drive an S13 with a modified non power steering rack, but I'm sure I would still prefer power.

[lilrookz]

Originally Posted by JDM_Tuner

yes, after a day of drifting with no ps, your wrists will be sprained, or at the least theyll hurt.

thats pretty much what i said!

[murda-c]

if you do go with no PS, remember to keep your thumbs out of the wheel...offroading has taught me so.

[TheRealSy90]

Same here, damn near ripped my thumb out of my hand woth no powersteering. I'll never drift without it now.

[Karlitos]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Same here, damn near ripped my thumb out of my hand woth no powersteering. I'll never drift without it now.

What difference does P/S have on this? You're supposed to keep your thumb out of the steering wheel spoke anyways. And when transitioning (with P/S) the wheels spins fast enough to do the same harm, I would think.

I know a lot or road race guys prefer depowered or non P/S. For drifting i havent tried non P/S but I did go on a leaking rack and i did start to feel it get heavy towards the end (reservoir a little less than half at this point). The S14 P/S is actually very good and doesnt disconnect the steering feel as much as in other cars.

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by Karlitos

What difference does P/S have on this? You're supposed to keep your thumb out of the steering wheel spoke anyways. And when transitioning (with P/S) the wheels spins fast enough to do the same harm, I would think.

I know a lot or road race guys prefer depowered or non P/S. For drifting i havent tried non P/S but I did go on a leaking rack and i did start to feel it get heavy towards the end (reservoir a little less than half at this point). The S14 P/S is actually very good and doesnt disconnect the steering feel as much as in other cars.

Road race people rarely turn the wheel more than half a turn in either direction.. When you drift the wheels are slamming from lock to lock (or atleast close to that) the entire time. Not to mention in order to throw the car or start a transition you kinda have to jerk the wheel would be harder without p/s. And as for the spinning wheel cutting your thumb of, its much easier to stop the wheel with power steering.

[lilrookz]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

road race people rarely turn the wheel more than half a turn in either direction.. When you drift the wheels are slamming from lock to lock (or atleast close to that) the entire time. Not to mention in order to throw the car or start a transition you kinda have to jerk the wheel would be harder without p/s. And as for the spinning wheel cutting your thumb of, its much easier to stop the wheel with power steering.

bingo!!!!!!

[Touge Noob S13]

I'm guessing this question is concerning a 240SX? If so, stick with power steering. I was struggling to drift my friend's power steering-less S13 at balcony.

[WholeGrainS13]

For drifting, id use p/s. i have a modded steering rack for manual steering and if i kick it out its rough and the bump steer gets ridiculous when countersteering.

[lilrookz]

yeah i dont have p/s on my 240 right now and its a pain in the ass. im trying to find if the problem is the pump or rack. i really dont wanna replace the rack, thats gonna suck. but i was trying to tell this one fuck that you would want p/s and his only argument was that a real drifter would want to feel the car.
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his doesnt even have a rwd car, kid has a bike

[brndck]

Originally Posted by lilrookz

yeah i dont have p/s on my 240 right now and its a pain in the ass. im trying to find if the problem is the pump or rack. i really dont wanna replace the rack, thats gonna suck. but i was trying to tell this one fuck that you would want p/s and his only argument was that a real drifter would want to feel the car.
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his doesnt even have a rwd car, kid has a bike

Who ever you were talkin to is an idiot. There are no benefits to removing p/s on an s-chassis, especially when drifting. Maybe in the extreme case where someone had a custom manual rack made, with one of those steering quickener setups so it's only 1 turn from lock to lock, but I have yet to see anyone even pursue this course in a 240.

[nathanong87]

Originally Posted by brndck

Who ever you were talkin to is an idiot. There are no benefits to removing p/s on an s-chassis, especially when drifting. Maybe in the extreme case where someone had a custom manual rack made, with one of those steering quickener setups so it's only 1 turn from lock to lock, but I have yet to see anyone even pursue this course in a 240.

nate brasz has a custom rack in his car. and yes it's like 1 turn lock to lock. i have no clue what it is , but i've seen him drive it here on the east coast and the wheel barely spins (or so it seems) while he's driving.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by nathanong87

nate brasz has a custom rack in his car. and yes it's like 1 turn lock to lock. i have no clue what it is , but i've seen him drive it here on the east coast and the wheel barely spins (or so it seems) while he's driving.

That's mantastic. Does he still run p/s?

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by lilrookz

yeah i dont have p/s on my 240 right now and its a pain in the ass. im trying to find if the problem is the pump or rack. i really dont wanna replace the rack, thats gonna suck. but i was trying to tell this one fuck that you would want p/s and his only argument was that a real drifter would want to feel the car.
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his doesnt even have a rwd car, kid has a bike

CLEARLY he doesn't drift. You can feel all you need to feel with power steering in the S-chassis. I would remove it if my intent was to look like Popeye. Outside of that, that's a reTARded move.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by nathanong87

nate brasz has a custom rack in his car. and yes it's like 1 turn lock to lock. i have no clue what it is , but i've seen him drive it here on the east coast and the wheel barely spins (or so it seems) while he's driving.

Aasbo was running the steering rack on his TC before having it switched back to normal. In my opinion it gives more room for error (smaller window for adjustment vs having 900 degrees).

I've driven a corolla and a 240 with no power steering. the corolla had a manual rack, the 240 how no powersteering. In the corolla it is do-able...but I wouldn't choose it over power steering.

In the 240...it fucking blew. Thanks Teddy for that experience.




you can watch Aasbo at atlanta in car with that modified steering. I had to call him when I first saw it cause I've never seen it before. Pretty interesting to watch...looks like it would only be really useful in maybe a grip situation?

[ST(I)mpreza]

My last S14 had no ps, and I slid without it, but I well prefer ps, for sure. I slid my STI also and never could have done it with out ps... ps drifting all the way

[PIN GIO 2]

no ps, go home

[aziankingz]

Originally Posted by lilrookz

yeah i dont have p/s on my 240 right now and its a pain in the ass. im trying to find if the problem is the pump or rack. i really dont wanna replace the rack, thats gonna suck. but i was trying to tell this one fuck that you would want p/s and his only argument was that a real drifter would want to feel the car.
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his doesnt even have a rwd car, kid has a bike

Tell your friend to lay off the initial d..

[BURSTspeed]

power steering.