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elemento1991 · 07-21-2011, 02:17 PM

I have had a stage 2 WRX for a while now, it's a great all around car and it does nice in the harsh winters around here (PA) but everyone and their brother is getting Subarus and I am getting sick of hearing everyone go on and on about how they're the greatest cars ever made and how fast they are.

I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and I have recently gotten my career path set and am going to have some money to spend. Im a big fan of the Kouki and Strawberry Face 240s and am thinking about tackling one as a project. I'm shooting for 400whp, ive read up on the engines a good bit and was wondering what your guys thoughts are on the engine choice to get me there?

The RB25 engine is probably a good choice, and I would really love a 2JZ swap. I'm sure some of you hardcore nissan fans don't like that idea, but the 2JZ is a great motor from what i've read and seen, and it would leave me with room for expansion.

With either engine I should not need to get into internals right? Turbo, injectors, fuel supply, IC, intake, exhaust, and engine management should get me there... I think. Are there any guys out there who have gotten 400whp in their 240? and how have you done it? It would be nice to smoke all the kids around here who think their 250hp cars are the fastest shit to hit the streets.

raz0rbladez909 · 07-21-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elemento1991

I have had a stage 2 WRX for a while now, it's a great all around car and it does nice in the harsh winters around here (PA) but everyone and their brother is getting Subarus and I am getting sick of hearing everyone go on and on about how they're the greatest cars ever made and how fast they are.

I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and I have recently gotten my career path set and am going to have some money to spend. Im a big fan of the Kouki and Cherry Eye 240s and am thinking about tackling one as a project. I'm shooting for 400whp, ive read up on the engines a good bit and was wondering what your guys thoughts are on the engine choice to get me there?

The RB25 engine is probably a good choice, and I would really love a 2JZ swap. I'm sure some of you hardcore nissan fans don't like that idea, but the 2JZ is a great motor from what i've read and seen, and it would leave me with room for expansion.

With either engine I should not need to get into internals right? Turbo, injectors, fuel supply, IC, intake, exhaust, and engine management should get me there... I think. Are there any guys out there who have gotten 400whp in their 240? and how have you done it? It would be nice to smoke all the kids around here who think their 250hp cars are the fastest shit to hit the streets.

Honestly, if you think alot of people are getting into wrx's you really want to avoid a 240sx. Alot of your questions are easily answered by searching on here and from you talking about smoking kids on the streets when you're a kid yourself just seems hypocritical at best. Do some research, learn alot, make a wise purchase, and don't do stupid shit on the streets.

elemento1991 · 07-21-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Honestly, if you think alot of people are getting into wrx's you really want to avoid a 240sx. Alot of your questions are easily answered by searching on here and from you talking about smoking kids on the streets when you're a kid yourself just seems hypocritical at best. Do some research, learn alot, make a wise purchase, and don't do stupid shit on the streets.

Well I know 240's are everywhere but they're not big here in PA. Ive seen about 3 in the Pittsburgh area in the past 6 months, and i've seen about 8 WRX/STi's today alone. I don't street race too often, everybody buys fast cars to go fast and you can't tell me you don't do a quick pull here and there when your with your friends. I have researched but I was looking for some people who have actually had experience with the engines. I've read of some RB's blowing ringlands around 400whp after not much time, I haven't heard much of the 2JZ having problems with that output. It's going to be a project anyways....

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Originally Posted by g00se

get a awd or 4x4 dd first.. rwd sucks in the snow ( or i suck in the snow with rwd )

No it sucks lol, i've done it before it's not easy. We have a beater Subaru in the family I could use. I will probably end up keeping my WRX and working on this over the next year or so anyways.

g00se · 07-21-2011, 02:30 PM

get a awd or 4x4 dd first.. rwd sucks in the snow ( or i suck in the snow with rwd )

nissanfreak317 · 07-21-2011, 02:31 PM

You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you?

Lol. Anyways, I've said this before but I'll say it again: Your setup all depends on what YOU are planning to do with your car and how much money you have to spend. We can't make up your mind for you.

That being said, here's my .02, you are going to start a big debate with your 400 mark because it is within attainable grasp of the SR on mostly stock internals. I prefer the SR over the RB just because they are cheaper to buy and modify, easier to find, and are still tons of fun. I'm sure that a well built RB does great but for now, I'm sticking with the SR.

elemento1991 · 07-21-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nissanfreak317

You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you?

Lol. Anyways, I've said this before but I'll say it again: Your setup all depends on what YOU are planning to do with your car and how much money you have to spend. We can't make up your mind for you.

That being said, here's my .02, you are going to start a big debate with your 400 mark because it is within attainable grasp of the SR on mostly stock internals. I prefer the SR over the RB just because they are cheaper to buy and modify, easier to find, and are still tons of fun. I'm sure that a well built RB does great but for now, I'm sticking with the SR.

That was my old Nissan Maxima that I crushed a deer with haha, I haven't been on this forum for like a year. My WRX is still in nice condition.

titopkz505 · 07-22-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nissanfreak317

You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you?

literally made me lol

Coolwhip · 07-21-2011, 02:31 PM

Do what you like and want... You'll be happier that way

Edwin562 · 07-21-2011, 02:38 PM

if you really want a 240, go get it... nobody is gonna stop you.... dont let others choose what you drive... drive what YOU WANA DRIVE!!!!

best of luck...

ej2civic · 07-21-2011, 02:38 PM

best bang for your buck to make 400whp is a rb25 with a decent turbo..I did a 2jz swap in to my car over the winter, and dont get me wrong, I love it. but for the money an rb with like a 35r or similar is an AWESOME setup. (one of my buddies has it and it just works). A 2j swap is expensive, lots of custom stuff, and everything for a toyota seems to be harder to find and more expensive. With an RB becoming more common there is much for information out there about the swap.

Don't rule out KA-T. I had just shy of 400whp on a very streetable KA-T

ZilviaKid · 07-21-2011, 02:42 PM

240 scene need any more stupid idiots

elemento1991 · 07-21-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZilviaKid

240 scene need any more stupid idiots

Idk why everyone on these forums is such assholes sometimes. Maybe the 240 scene doesn't need people like you in it's community. I'm just trying to make a decision and keeping my eyes out for a 2nd gen to come along and asking some basic questions, but it's gonna come down to me figuring it out myself and working with the tuner anyways.

zooopreme · 07-21-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elemento1991

Idk why everyone on these forums is such assholes sometimes. Maybe the 240 scene doesn't need people like you in it's community. I'm just trying to make a decision and keeping my eyes out for a 2nd gen to come along and asking some basic questions

You've been here for a couple of months, you should know by now that this is Zilvia. Not many people here are nice and sympathetic.

Trading in a better car for a potential money pit sounds like a stupid plan don't you think. Keep a DD handy because dailying a 240 can get ugly with your wallet.

And all the answers you seek are a search away. And if you can't find a thread, we have the tech forum or the small question thread. Utilize the search and you won't have to complain about the assholes attacking you for your stupidity and lack of research.

bluuuurr · 07-21-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZilviaKid

240 scene need any more stupid idiots

Way to prove a point.

junn · 07-21-2011, 02:56 PM

Just trade me for my ls1 powered s13
Already 400+ hp

***enkei2k*** · 07-21-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elemento1991

Im a big fan of the Kouki and Cherry Eye 240s

serious question, what's a Cherry Eye 240? Never heard of this term before. Google was no help, but damn Cherry Eye looks FREAKY!

elemento1991 · 07-21-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k

serious question, what's a Cherry Eye 240? Never heard of this term before. Google was no help, but damn Cherry Eye looks FREAKY!

It's actually strawberry face, me and my buddies call them cherry eye kus my one buddy called it that and we all started calling it that as a joke, now its just become habit haha my bad. and good god that is freaky!

94spitfire91 · 07-21-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by enkei2k

serious question, what's a Cherry Eye 240?

I am also curious haha a hadnt heard strawberry face either but maybe im just ignorant.

***enkei2k*** · 07-21-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 94spitfire91

I am also curious haha a hadnt heard strawberry face either but maybe im just ignorant.

I know strawberry is S15 = ichigo = strawberry.

but cherry? I've never heard of that. that's a good joke...maybe i can call my shit a watermelon hahah

deolio · 07-21-2011, 03:13 PM

why would you want to leave the Subaru scene? lesbians all over the place. that's hot.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 07-21-2011, 03:19 PM

Thats a big negative Ghost-Rider, the bandwagon is full. Find something else.

But in all honesty, if you have have the extra coin and you're not planning drifting or tracking the car (which you didnt say so I'm assuming you won't), why not get something thats better right off the bat. For as much as a decent Kouki S14 will run you, specially in the northeast, you might as well pick up a Z33 or a G35 coupe.

Fuck, you want something with balls, get a GTO or a G8 just to be different.

dudermagee · 07-21-2011, 03:39 PM

wtf is a stage 2 wrx

elemento1991 · 07-21-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dudermagee

wtf is a stage 2 wrx

Uppipe, Turboback, EWG, BCS, and tune. It made 200whp and 225tq on a mustang dyno. It's not bad but the reliable HP limit on the 2.0L would be about 250whp on that dyno before i'd have to get into it and start upgrading internals.

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Originally Posted by KOME

You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do?

I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

I'm in an electrician apprenticeship, I'm working union and am getting a pretty nice raise every six months for the next 5 years so i've got a pretty nice path ahead of me, I really lucked out.

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Originally Posted by OkiDori17

building a 240 with that much power is going to cost you a whole lot more than you think
everyone always asks about the turbo, injectors, etc. just they dont think about the other shit like the clutch and tranny and diff
you might want to do a little research on stuff besides the motor if youre planning on it being your DD
but thats just my .02

I know it won't be cheap, and I'm not getting rid of my Subaru I need an AWD car for the winter. This car wouldn't be on the road for a while, it will be a project. I know there are always little things along the way that you don't plan for that you end up needing. The WRX tranny won't hold past 250hp, so I will be in the same boat if I continue to build my car. The gearset you need to continue going with that is 4k alone, and STi transmissions run around 5k.

simmode1 · 07-22-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by elemento1991

Uppipe, Turboback, EWG, BCS, and tune. It made 200whp and 225tq on a mustang dyno. It's not bad but the reliable HP limit on the 2.0L would be about 250whp on that dyno before i'd have to get into it and start upgrading internals.

The WRX tranny won't hold past 250hp, so I will be in the same boat if I continue to build my car. The gearset you need to continue going with that is 4k alone, and STi transmissions run around 5k.

Jesus... I never knew that gen WRX was so pansy. Now I know to never consider buying one... Dayum...

nathanong87 · 07-21-2011, 03:26 PM

funny i'm thinking about doing the exact opposite...trade?

07-21-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elemento1991

I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and

dont buy a 240

you're 19 now.

you'll soon be 29 if and when your project gets completed (if ever)

thanks
mike

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Originally Posted by ZilviaKid

240 scene need any more stupid idiots

ps: shut the fuck up.

OkiDori17 · 07-21-2011, 04:08 PM

building a 240 with that much power is going to cost you a whole lot more than you think
everyone always asks about the turbo, injectors, etc. just they dont think about the other shit like the clutch and tranny and diff
you might want to do a little research on stuff besides the motor if youre planning on it being your DD
but thats just my .02

KOME · 07-21-2011, 04:13 PM

You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do?

I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

dudermagee · 07-21-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KOME

You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do?

I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

With a built up wrx? I imagine his career is whatever his parents tell him to do.

Nicelyphe · 07-21-2011, 04:19 PM

Coming from the PA Area i do agree on the whole Subaru hype shit going around here..Also not my cup of tea, I've owned 3 Nissans since driving, 1 Z32 and 2 240's, Z32 got stolen due to our sad society. One of those 240's I jumped into purchasing one out of state and ended up selling it cause it was completely rusted out and the KA ended up blowing while going up a hill on route 145 lmao. But you learn as you go, and im now happier with my 2nd 240. I say drive what you wanna drive and do what you want to it, and enjoy it. Just watch out what you buy.

07-21-2011, 02:17 PM	#1
elemento1991 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: PA Age: 33 Posts: 32 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thinking about leaving Subaru and going Nissan I have had a stage 2 WRX for a while now, it's a great all around car and it does nice in the harsh winters around here (PA) but everyone and their brother is getting Subarus and I am getting sick of hearing everyone go on and on about how they're the greatest cars ever made and how fast they are. I've wanted a 240 since I was about 12-13 years old and I have recently gotten my career path set and am going to have some money to spend. Im a big fan of the Kouki and Strawberry Face 240s and am thinking about tackling one as a project. I'm shooting for 400whp, ive read up on the engines a good bit and was wondering what your guys thoughts are on the engine choice to get me there? The RB25 engine is probably a good choice, and I would really love a 2JZ swap. I'm sure some of you hardcore nissan fans don't like that idea, but the 2JZ is a great motor from what i've read and seen, and it would leave me with room for expansion. With either engine I should not need to get into internals right? Turbo, injectors, fuel supply, IC, intake, exhaust, and engine management should get me there... I think. Are there any guys out there who have gotten 400whp in their 240? and how have you done it? It would be nice to smoke all the kids around here who think their 250hp cars are the fastest shit to hit the streets. Last edited by elemento1991; 07-21-2011 at 03:11 PM..

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ej2civic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern CT Posts: 105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	best bang for your buck to make 400whp is a rb25 with a decent turbo..I did a 2jz swap in to my car over the winter, and dont get me wrong, I love it. but for the money an rb with like a 35r or similar is an AWESOME setup. (one of my buddies has it and it just works). A 2j swap is expensive, lots of custom stuff, and everything for a toyota seems to be harder to find and more expensive. With an RB becoming more common there is much for information out there about the swap. Don't rule out KA-T. I had just shy of 400whp on a very streetable KA-T __________________

07-21-2011, 02:42 PM	#11
ZilviaKid Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto Age: 35 Posts: 1,442 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	240 scene need any more stupid idiots __________________ 2004 Nissan 350z 2002 Nissan Silvia

07-21-2011, 02:56 PM	#15
junn Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: lynwood/cpt Posts: 777 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Just trade me for my ls1 powered s13 Already 400+ hp __________________

07-21-2011, 02:30 PM	#4
g00se Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: CA Posts: 383 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	get a awd or 4x4 dd first.. rwd sucks in the snow ( or i suck in the snow with rwd )

07-21-2011, 02:31 PM	#5
nissanfreak317 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Souderton, PA Age: 39 Posts: 597 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	You say that you are sick of Subarus but your profile says that your car is totaled. Perhaps your Subaru got sick of you? Lol. Anyways, I've said this before but I'll say it again: Your setup all depends on what YOU are planning to do with your car and how much money you have to spend. We can't make up your mind for you. That being said, here's my .02, you are going to start a big debate with your 400 mark because it is within attainable grasp of the SR on mostly stock internals. I prefer the SR over the RB just because they are cheaper to buy and modify, easier to find, and are still tons of fun. I'm sure that a well built RB does great but for now, I'm sticking with the SR.

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Edwin562 Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Whittier (562) Age: 35 Posts: 4,721 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	if you really want a 240, go get it... nobody is gonna stop you.... dont let others choose what you drive... drive what YOU WANA DRIVE!!!! best of luck...

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deolio Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 36 Posts: 4,702 Trader Rating: (13) Rides Gallery: deolio Feedback Score: 13 reviews	why would you want to leave the Subaru scene? lesbians all over the place. that's hot. __________________

07-21-2011, 03:19 PM	#21
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Thats a big negative Ghost-Rider, the bandwagon is full. Find something else. But in all honesty, if you have have the extra coin and you're not planning drifting or tracking the car (which you didnt say so I'm assuming you won't), why not get something thats better right off the bat. For as much as a decent Kouki S14 will run you, specially in the northeast, you might as well pick up a Z33 or a G35 coupe. Fuck, you want something with balls, get a GTO or a G8 just to be different. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

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OkiDori17 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 373 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	building a 240 with that much power is going to cost you a whole lot more than you think everyone always asks about the turbo, injectors, etc. just they dont think about the other shit like the clutch and tranny and diff you might want to do a little research on stuff besides the motor if youre planning on it being your DD but thats just my .02 __________________ '92 240sx w/'93 SR Blacktop /// '94 RX7 FD3S /// '11 370z RIP

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KOME Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: En mi casa Age: 34 Posts: 619 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	You're 19 and you got your career path settled? What do you do? I was gonna suggest that if you have the money just fully build a KA to 400WHP.

07-21-2011, 04:19 PM	#30
Nicelyphe Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: PA Posts: 918 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Coming from the PA Area i do agree on the whole Subaru hype shit going around here..Also not my cup of tea, I've owned 3 Nissans since driving, 1 Z32 and 2 240's, Z32 got stolen due to our sad society. One of those 240's I jumped into purchasing one out of state and ended up selling it cause it was completely rusted out and the KA ended up blowing while going up a hill on route 145 lmao. But you learn as you go, and im now happier with my 2nd 240. I say drive what you wanna drive and do what you want to it, and enjoy it. Just watch out what you buy.