need some help figuring this pilot bushing nightmare (pics)

[dsastr_clan]

hello there, i need some help figuring out how to make this right, i have a s13 which used to have a SOHC with a manual tranny, i got a hold of a healthier s14 motor. After doing all the s13 hybrid stuff to make the s14 motor to run in the s13. I come to find out that the tranny would not engage into any gear, so i pulled the tranny out and inspected the throwout bearing, made sure everything was tight and fine, put the tranny back, and nothing!! same problem again ....then one of my friends tells me that the motor i have comes from an auto s14 WTF!!!!

so i pulled the tranny out because i know that the pilot bearing is different and that i need to get the manual transmission bearing in there, but im not sure where the pilot bearing is or what is it. i have done research but everyone seem to know where the bushing is, i wasn't expecting to encounter this issue...this sucks!! i was able to pull what i think is automatic collar adapter?? or maybe have i pulled the pilot bearing already? here are some pics

i pounded that spacer or adapter off with a socket and a mallet



this is what it looks like when it was out, is this the pilot bearing?

here is a pic of the crank without that collar, as u guys can see i tried to remove that spacer looking thing with the grease method. is the pilot bearing in there still? it looks like there may be another spacer then the pilot bearing all the way in there very tight to the crank?



here is the pic of the tranny shaft and the manual pilot bearing



any help, info, guidance is appreciated. I just need to know if the automatic pilot bearing still in there, and how did u pull it out cuz i broke the autozone tool.

[Luvs2slide]

The pilot bearing shouldnt ne on the input shaft... It should remain in the engine. Chances are that the auto bearing is larger and that your manual mission shaft is not engaging it.

[dsastr_clan]

Originally Posted by Luvs2slide

The pilot bearing shouldnt ne on the input shaft... It should remain in the engine. Chances are that the auto bearing is larger and that your manual mission shaft is not engaging it.

tnx for the reply, i just took the pic of the bearing on the tranny shaft because i havent intaslled put it into the crankshaft yet, i need to know if i need to pull anything else from inside the crankshaft, or if i already pulled the " automatic auto pilot bearing "

[SLiDe_WaYz]

You have a auto pilot bushing in there, buy a 5spd one from frsport there $8 and swap them out. Ha that happen to me on my sr.

[dsastr_clan]

Originally Posted by SLiDe_WaYz

You have a auto pilot bushing in there, buy a 5spd one from frsport there $8 and swap them out. Ha that happen to me on my sr.

i have already purchased one, the pic i have of the tranny shaft has the manual transmission pilot bearing on it.

[pogstar]

The part you removed was the pilot bearing, so grease up the new one you have and install it into the end of the crank where the old one was. I used a deep socket and a hammer to put the new one in

[dsastr_clan]

Originally Posted by pogstar

The part you removed was the pilot bearing, so grease up the new one you have and install it into the end of the crank where the old one was. I used a deep socket and a hammer to put the new one in

awesome, thanks for the reassurance!! would the automatic pilot bushing make the tranny not go into gear?? i just wanna make sure that i resolve the problem before putting it together again

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by pogstar

The part you removed was the pilot bearing, so grease up the new one you have and install it into the end of the crank where the old one was. I used a deep socket and a hammer to put the new one in

you need to soak it in motor oil for a few minutes prior to installation

OP - you were installed a used motor without doing any prep to it????
regardless of condition, changing the pilot bushing should be an automatic

so, for shits and giggles...
did you change the rear main seal?
did you re-surface the flywheel and check to make sure it is still within spec?
make sure you have manual flywheel bolts and not auto stuff?
make sure you have manual trans hardware?
torque everything to spec?

not to mention that changing the front main seal, waterpump and thermostat would also be a good idea while the motor is out...

[dsastr_clan]

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

you need to soak it in motor oil for a few minutes prior to installation

OP - you were installed a used motor without doing any prep to it????
regardless of condition, changing the pilot bushing should be an automatic

so, for shits and giggles...
did you change the rear main seal?
did you re-surface the flywheel and check to make sure it is still within spec?
make sure you have manual flywheel bolts and not auto stuff?
make sure you have manual trans hardware?
torque everything to spec?

not to mention that changing the front main seal, waterpump and thermostat would also be a good idea while the motor is out...

water pump, thermostat and all the gaskets but the rear main seal have been replaced, the motor is already dropped and runs, but to be honest i spaced out the pilot bushing and the rear main seal, flywheel has been resurfaced and torque to spec, im also using the MT flywheel bolts that i used to have in my SOHC.

Im starting to think that its that clutch disc with the OEM pp what the problem is.

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by pogstar

The part you removed was the pilot bearing, so grease up the new one you have and install it into the end of the crank where the old one was. I used a deep socket and a hammer to put the new one in

Originally Posted by dsastr_clan

Im starting to think that its that clutch disc with the OEM pp what the problem is.

that is a possibility
Friends have had issues with mix-and-matched clutch combos in the past

If you have access to measuring tools - caliper, magnetic stand with indicator
you could measure the clearances as per the FSM
but a kit from one manufacturer is always preferable

[dsastr_clan]

btw i have a 6 puck clutch disc with an OEM pressure plate, could this be the issue?

[dsastr_clan]

FYI i switched back to the OEM kit till i can save up and get something else up, the OEM pp and 6 puck combo is no good

[dsastr_clan]

Originally Posted by JasonDL

Thanks for your post.

WUT?? thats not help dude