Why the "Hoonigan Hate"?

[Lees_Garage]

I have been seeing a lot of "Hoonigan Hate" on the forum as of late, and was just wondering what it is all about?


I have followed the brand and their athletes for quite some time, and cannot figure out why anyone would have hate for a brand represented by drivers such as: Ken Block, Ryan Tuerck, Vaughn Gitten, Chris Forsberg, BJ Baldwin, and many more.


I have supported this brand since its inception, and do so because I enjoy the media content the brand and its athletes produce (Gymkhana, Recoil, Drift Garage, etc).


I will admit I was awash in disappointment when I started seeing 2003 Honda Civics with automatic transmissions, fart can exhaust, spray painted wheels, and a huge hoonigan banners on the windshields, but that's not going to stop me from buying a cool shirt from a brand that embodies the motorsports I enjoy so much.

Please speak freely, as I know you will. Lol. I am not here to change your mind, I was just curious, and wanted to hear your opinions.


LET THE DISCUSSIONS BEGIN

[wanna240]

I think it is because so many "drifters" with their beat up 240s are throwing the sticker on their car to act super cool and to look like a pro drifter. This in turn would create a bad image for the brand and make it look like it is full of ricers.

[FaLKoN240]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

I will admit I was awash in disappointment when I started seeing 240SXs with fart can exhaust, spray painted wheels, and a huge hoonigan banners on the windshields, but that's not going to stop me from buying a cool shirt from a brand that embodies the motorsports I enjoy so much.

FIXED your quote

Honda Civics rocking shitty mods vs. 240sx repping shitty mods is the same thing. They're both shitty. There are a lot of 240s that have the same bullshit you just described. If you look carefully enough you'll see them on this very forum.

A celebrity endorsing a product doesn't make them immediately cool. They're getting paid to put those banners on their SPONSORED car (not personal car) and paid to wear those shirts during poster signing sessions at Formula D.

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

[Almighty So]

because they coined the phrase "Ain't Care".

They created a likeness to the idea of fucking up your car and leaving it like that "cause ain't care drift slut".

Join any other car scene with the intent of ruining one or more of their respective chassis while making their whole scene look bad.
I'd bet my bottom dollar they wouldn't take too kindly to that.

[Dirk Jan]

It's not particularly the brand itself that's criticized. It's the people supporting it in a disgusting way by driving like an asshole in a shitty automobile. Just like here in the Netherlands there's a group of racist, hardcore dance music loving, bald headed cunts wearing Lonsdale clothing. While Lonsdale is a company making boxing clothes and doesn't have anything to do with racism at all, the brand is still frowned upon because of these people.

[simmode1]

Because roughly 75% of the cars in the Doing It Wrong thread have Hoonigan stickers on them. I give props to how the brand started, but the brand's recognition on the street & amatuer level has devolved into the lowest common denominator in enthusiast circles. Despite it's origin, the term 'Hoonigan' has become synonymous/interchangeable with 'shitbox' or 'bag of dicks'. Who in their right mind would want to be associated with the braindead ppl who PURPOSEFULLY make their car(s) look like the vehicular equipivalent of Necrotizing fasciitis?

[Lees_Garage]

Originally Posted by Dirk Jan

It's not particularly the brand itself that's criticized. It's the people supporting it in a disgusting way by driving like an asshole in a shitty automobile.

Originally Posted by simmode1

Because roughly 75% of the cars in the Doing It Wrong thread have Hoonigan stickers on them. I give props to how the brand started, but the brand's recognition on the street & amatuer level has devolved into the lowest common denominator in enthusiast circles.

I can get behind this, but I have the feeling that most people commenting on this thread are not all that familiar with how the brand started, or how phrases such as "Ain't Care" were coined. It had nothing to do with having garbage vehicles, but was a phrase coined due to Ken Block finishing races/events at all cost, and not allowing issues such as broken wheels, etc, to stop him from completing the Rally, etc.

While I am a fan of the brand, because of the drivers they sponsor, I understand shying away from it due to the type of rides representing them on the street.

FYI: I'm not a fanboy, and wouldn't rock a Hoonigan, or any other banner on my car unless I was sponsored.

[Almighty So]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

I have the feeling that most people commenting on this thread are not all that familiar with how the brand started, or how phrases such as "Ain't Care" were coined. It had nothing to do with having garbage vehicles, but was a phrase coined due to Ken Block finishing races/events at all cost, and not allowing issues such as broken wheels, etc, to stop him from completing the Rally, etc.

I have the feeling you just referred to me as "most people."

your ken block story is very inspiring. finish at all costs. sure.

but that's called dedication.
this ain't care bullshit is such a plague that it's ruined any rich history Hoonigan might have had.

No one denies they are pretty damn good drivers and the gymkhana shit is cool and all that but they essentially laid the ground work for all these ziptied, mis-matched, rusted out, basically totaled, shit sleds that plague the streets because the owners claim to be "pro am drift stars who just want to finish the event."

Most of those dudes have never been to an event but they use "Ain't Care" to;
1. Look like they have driven an event and actually have to spend their money on entrance fees, tires, etc.
2. Can tell everyone the dent from the previous owner and and all other cheap/bullshit mods is because drift life.

motorsport is not cheap.
I understand the 'by any means' mentality but what Hoonigan has become is on a whole new plane.

pretty much everything they represent is so embarrassing that most of us feel the need to make very bold/definitive statements in letting others know where we stand on the issue.

[Lees_Garage]

Originally Posted by Almighty So

your ken block story is very inspiring. finish at all costs. sure.

but that's called dedication.
this ain't care bullshit is such a plague that it's ruined any rich history Hoonigan might have had.

No one denies they are pretty damn good drivers and the gymkhana shit is cool and all that but they essentially laid the ground work for all these ziptied, mis-matched, rusted out, basically totaled, shit sleds that plague the streets because the owners claim to be "pro am drift stars who just want to finish the event."

I don't understand how you think The Hoonigans "laid the footwork". Can you name any of their sponsored drivers who epitomize this? The people your using as an example are Wanna-be's who bought stickers, they aren't sponsored, or affiliated with The Hoonigans.

The Hoonigans have created a brand that is currently viral, thanks to several of their videos, and half of the 17yr old fart can driving posers in the country are buying stickers. Any time you have something go viral your going to have some idiots jumping on the bandwagon, but this doesn't mean you've deviated from your original intent or roots.

By your logic, you should stop wearing Nikes because lots of overweight people commit crimes in them. This must mean every person who wears Nikes is a fat criminal.

Originally Posted by Almighty So

I understand the 'by any means' mentality but what Hoonigan has become is on a whole new plane.

Again, they havent become anything they werent in the beginning, aside from going viral, and having lots of posers purchase stickers.

[Almighty So]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

I don't understand how you think The Hoonigans "laid the footwork". Can you name any of their sponsored drivers who epitomize this?

uh how about the main fuckin dude.. what's his name? oh yeah ken block.



when i think of hoonigan i think of a retard in a shit missile.
when i think of nike, i think of a shoe.
they're pretty much incomparable considering nike has never been known for supporting overweight criminals (which is by far the most random comparison i've read in a while) but hoonigan has been known for shitty cars and driving for quite a while now.

[RalliartRsX]

Who the eff cares!??!? "Hoonigan" is not putting food on my table or $$$ in my pocket, so why give a damn who is hating on it??

[simmode1]

^^^Lol... Who hasn't seen Ken's Gymkhana videos? They're pretty damn popular, you know. A lot people believe in 'guilt by association'. I'd rather not be associated with those Hoonigan idiots and be presumed to find their antics acceptable. It's hard enough just being a 30 something 240sx owner when these cars are so closely linked to 'Hoonigan'. No joke: a lot of guys are selling their 240's from the stigma of shame & immaturity Hoonigan has brought to this community.

[FaLKoN240]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Lol... Who hasn't seen Ken's Gymkhana videos? They're pretty damn popular, you know. A lot people believe in 'guilt by association'. I'd rather not be associated with those Hoonigan idiots and be presumed to find their antics acceptable. It's hard enough just being a 30 something 240sx owner when these cars are so closely linked to 'Hoonigan'. No joke: a lot of guys are selling their 240's from the stigma of shame & immaturity Hoonigan has brought to this community.

I didn't know that about Ken and I highly doubt these fucks do either.

[S14kouki805]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Lol... Who hasn't seen Ken's Gymkhana videos? They're pretty damn popular, you know. A lot people believe in 'guilt by association'. I'd rather not be associated with those Hoonigan idiots and be presumed to find their antics acceptable. It's hard enough just being a 30 something 240sx owner when these cars are so closely linked to 'Hoonigan'. No joke: a lot of guys are selling their 240's from the stigma of shame & immaturity Hoonigan has brought to this community.

This right here...seriously I have thought about ditching my 240 just cause of the stigma, good thing not too many people have 240's where I live but still it sucks to know that thy will be judged by the bullshit of others...

[Kingtal0n]

There once was a place, where humans would race
their cars shining and showing, each thought himself an ace
that was the land where two fourtys would face
the challenge of stating their superior case

now staring outside, into a dark street with an idea
i thought to myself I shall build once again, a car that was real
I started planning and writing, the parts I would buy
but when I looked for these things, I started to cry
for not one good token or strap I could find,
not one sharp crisp steel object that I had in mind

wiping the dirt from hands, and tears from eyes
effort redoubled I went back in time,
to find out what happened to my great old plans
to see what took over the two fourty fans

my research revealed a wealth of poor news
the number of cars produced wrecked modified and abused
nevertheless I thought there was still time,
I pulled out the classifieds, hoping and praying inside

As day woke the birds, my body exhausted,
I fell to the floor thinking I'd lost it
rolling my head to the side I face out the door
thinking of fun old time races, resting aces and more
I stayed there like a corpse staring into snow and the sun,
I had looked high and low, and found not a one

[deolio]

simply - they seem to be encouraging everything i hate about drifting.

[StatticMyke]

Originally Posted by deolio

simply - they seem to be encouraging everything i hate about drifting.

^This.

No one knows or honestly really cares where #aintcare originated, just what its become. It is everything most enthusiast hate about drifting. The whole, beat the shit outta your car, and just roll with it attitude kills it for me.

[Lees_Garage]

The junk cars, zip tie theme has been going on pretty strong since before Hellaflush hit the scene. Truth is, there are only a handful of S-chassis owners that want to put together a clean car. We can keep blaming brands, or we can just admit that 85% of 240 owners are immature, broke, and love throwing together a car with zip ties and bubble gum.

[Almighty So]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

You're my favorite new member, even though you've been here for a year.

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

Truth is, there are only a handful of S-chassis owners that want to put together a clean car. We can keep blaming brands, or we can just admit that 85% of 240 owners are immature, broke, and love throwing together a car with zip ties and bubble gum.

Lee, you seem to be a rare case my friend. Not only do you support Hoonigan but you seem intelligent and you drive a clean car with nice parts. It's not often we come across someone of your stature.
I agree with you that S-chassis owners who can be proud of a nice car are in the minority. I agree most 240 owners are immature and broke. But I don't blame that on the 240. I blame that on Hoonigan which is where this all comes from.

No immature teen was smart enough to think: "This 20 year old car I've never heard of before has almost perfect weight distribution for initiating and maintaining drift! It also has a great aftermarket with plenty of parts. Good chassis to pick up!"
Someone showed them the bullshit ways. Someone taught them to spray neon plastidip and buy zipties and have dents because they make you look cool. Hoonigan.

Say 10 out 100 S-chassis enthusiasts want to build a clean, respectable chassis. The other 90 just want to bullshit around and destroy cars while being reckless and immature until all the chassis are ruined and crushed and gone. Then they go be reckless and immature elsewhere in life.
If this is the case, fuck those 90 people. I'd rather the community just be 10 people who would like to see these cars last and in good condition too.

How detrimental is it to support the idea of destroying the core of our hobby/interest because ain't care?
Some of us actually like s-chassis' as much as we like drifting, so ruining these chassis' doesn't always sit well with me.

We hate them because.. well we hate them. We would like them to leave our "community" or "scene" or whatever we call it these days because they bring nothing positive to it.
Sure some of them can drive, but there are a lot of extremely talented guys who can drive. They also do it cleaner cars that they actually maintain too.
That doesn't outweigh the fact that they've spread the cancerous idea that its cool to destroy your shit and ruin everything because you're a drift rock star.

Another main point of debate that I think we aren't on the same page with;

1st definition of Hoonigan: A brand put together by some good drivers who were friends and having fun.

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

The point being, not a single one of us has ever used the first definition. Willing to bet some didn't even know it existed.

[Lees_Garage]

Originally Posted by Almighty So

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

Almighty So, thanks for the kind words.

You make logical points, but I am going to have to agree to disagree.

This is why I maintain my stance. I have followed Hoonigan since its inception, and found some of the best fabricators, eg kibbetech, because of them. I have been to a couple events at The Hoonigan Donut Shop, and had a great time, also met some great people with awesome rides there. I've personally met Vaughn Gitten jr, and Brian Scotto, both great dudes with great business sense, and amazing cars.

I do feel it is very unfortunate that the trash that has latched on to the Hoonigan brand has overpowered what I feel (definition 1) is "The Hoonigan" brand.

Originally Posted by Almighty So

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

I do love this definition of ricer boy 240 drivers!

Originally Posted by Almighty So

Say 10 out 100 S-chassis enthusiasts want to build a clean, respectable chassis. The other 90 just want to bullshit around and destroy cars while being reckless and immature until all the chassis are ruined and crushed and gone. Then they go be reckless and immature elsewhere in life.
If this is the case, fuck those 90 people. I'd rather the community just be 10 people who would like to see these cars last and in good condition too.

I also strive to be one of the 10 my friend.

[Almighty So]

this isn't even being dedicated to motorsport this is just being a dumb fuck



car is literally fucking on fire? ain't care bro i'm hoonin



"wheel explodes? just ain't care. more throttle!"

deolio nailed it.

[wanna240]

Originally Posted by Almighty So

this isn't even being dedicated to motorsport this is just being a dumb fuck







car is literally fucking on fire? ain't care bro i'm hoonin

Lol, I agree with you fully on that one. Being dedicated is not the same as being a dumbass. When your car is ON FIRE, it's a sign for competent people to get out.

[Almighty So]

for the safety of all other drivers involved and even spectators in close proximity, shut your fucking vehicle off and extinguish the fire.

if you want to show us how dedicated you are, fix that shit and come back to the next one.

[wanna240]

Yep. Agreed.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

I have followed the brand and their athletes for quite some time, and cannot figure out why anyone would have hate for a brand represented by drivers such as: Ken Block, Ryan Tuerck, Vaughn Gitten, Chris Forsberg, BJ Baldwin, and many more.


I have supported this brand since its inception, and do so because I enjoy the media content the brand and its athletes produce (Gymkhana, Recoil, Drift Garage, etc).

Wonder what kind of rigorous cheeseburger conditioning these athletes go through in order to retain their tip top beer gut shape.

[spooled240]

Double cheeseburger with extra large fries and a 64 oz coke. #aintcare #cholestrolife

Probably why the teams go to great lengths to reduce the weight of the car

[Kingtal0n]

Thats why god invented the clean and jerk

Sometimes, it means one thing (pull the weight, and put it over head)

and other times, it means something else (kick the shit out of a jerk then clean up the blood)

Whats it called when a word can have more than one meaning? So thats what this is I guess.

[spooled240]

Double entendre?

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[BossHogg]

Here I've been doing the "clean and jerk" all wrong since I was 13.

[imotion s14]

It's like asking why people hate herpes. Hoonigan is herpes, a blight upon our community.