Why the "Hoonigan Hate"?

[deolio]

simply - they seem to be encouraging everything i hate about drifting.

[StatticMyke]

Originally Posted by deolio

simply - they seem to be encouraging everything i hate about drifting.

^This.

No one knows or honestly really cares where #aintcare originated, just what its become. It is everything most enthusiast hate about drifting. The whole, beat the shit outta your car, and just roll with it attitude kills it for me.

[Lees_Garage]

The junk cars, zip tie theme has been going on pretty strong since before Hellaflush hit the scene. Truth is, there are only a handful of S-chassis owners that want to put together a clean car. We can keep blaming brands, or we can just admit that 85% of 240 owners are immature, broke, and love throwing together a car with zip ties and bubble gum.

[Almighty So]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

You're my favorite new member, even though you've been here for a year.

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

Truth is, there are only a handful of S-chassis owners that want to put together a clean car. We can keep blaming brands, or we can just admit that 85% of 240 owners are immature, broke, and love throwing together a car with zip ties and bubble gum.

Lee, you seem to be a rare case my friend. Not only do you support Hoonigan but you seem intelligent and you drive a clean car with nice parts. It's not often we come across someone of your stature.
I agree with you that S-chassis owners who can be proud of a nice car are in the minority. I agree most 240 owners are immature and broke. But I don't blame that on the 240. I blame that on Hoonigan which is where this all comes from.

No immature teen was smart enough to think: "This 20 year old car I've never heard of before has almost perfect weight distribution for initiating and maintaining drift! It also has a great aftermarket with plenty of parts. Good chassis to pick up!"
Someone showed them the bullshit ways. Someone taught them to spray neon plastidip and buy zipties and have dents because they make you look cool. Hoonigan.

Say 10 out 100 S-chassis enthusiasts want to build a clean, respectable chassis. The other 90 just want to bullshit around and destroy cars while being reckless and immature until all the chassis are ruined and crushed and gone. Then they go be reckless and immature elsewhere in life.
If this is the case, fuck those 90 people. I'd rather the community just be 10 people who would like to see these cars last and in good condition too.

How detrimental is it to support the idea of destroying the core of our hobby/interest because ain't care?
Some of us actually like s-chassis' as much as we like drifting, so ruining these chassis' doesn't always sit well with me.

We hate them because.. well we hate them. We would like them to leave our "community" or "scene" or whatever we call it these days because they bring nothing positive to it.
Sure some of them can drive, but there are a lot of extremely talented guys who can drive. They also do it cleaner cars that they actually maintain too.
That doesn't outweigh the fact that they've spread the cancerous idea that its cool to destroy your shit and ruin everything because you're a drift rock star.

Another main point of debate that I think we aren't on the same page with;

1st definition of Hoonigan: A brand put together by some good drivers who were friends and having fun.

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

The point being, not a single one of us has ever used the first definition. Willing to bet some didn't even know it existed.

[Lees_Garage]

Originally Posted by Almighty So

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

Almighty So, thanks for the kind words.

You make logical points, but I am going to have to agree to disagree.

This is why I maintain my stance. I have followed Hoonigan since its inception, and found some of the best fabricators, eg kibbetech, because of them. I have been to a couple events at The Hoonigan Donut Shop, and had a great time, also met some great people with awesome rides there. I've personally met Vaughn Gitten jr, and Brian Scotto, both great dudes with great business sense, and amazing cars.

I do feel it is very unfortunate that the trash that has latched on to the Hoonigan brand has overpowered what I feel (definition 1) is "The Hoonigan" brand.

Originally Posted by Almighty So

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

I do love this definition of ricer boy 240 drivers!

Originally Posted by Almighty So

Say 10 out 100 S-chassis enthusiasts want to build a clean, respectable chassis. The other 90 just want to bullshit around and destroy cars while being reckless and immature until all the chassis are ruined and crushed and gone. Then they go be reckless and immature elsewhere in life.
If this is the case, fuck those 90 people. I'd rather the community just be 10 people who would like to see these cars last and in good condition too.

I also strive to be one of the 10 my friend.

[Almighty So]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

This is why I maintain my stance. I have followed Hoonigan since its inception, and found some of the best fabricators, eg kibbetech, because of them. I have been to a couple events at The Hoonigan Donut Shop, and had a great time, also met some great people with awesome rides there. I've personally met Vaughn Gitten jr, and Brian Scotto, both great dudes with great business sense, and amazing cars.

I do feel it is very unfortunate that the trash that has latched on to the Hoonigan brand has overpowered what I feel (definition 1) is "The Hoonigan" brand.

see that's completely understandable. being a shop that's that well known, they likely attract some people who are really good at what they do. I've also seen pictures of some sweet cars they've had there.

I would never go there and stand outside the fence yelling "you're doing it wrong." I have nothing against those guys.

But I am from the Midwest where our Hoonigan representatives are strictly the second definition. They lack any niceties that Hoonigan has/had.

I think we can just agree that we will always have different terms for what we are even hating in the first place.
I hate those kids who destroy shit and I just so happen to call them Hoonigans cause I don't have another word for it.
You probably hate those kids too but you already have a different idea of what Hoonigan is so my definition would seem out of context/irrational.

[rbpwrd240]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

Almighty So, thanks for the kind words.

You make logical points, but I am going to have to agree to disagree.

This is why I maintain my stance. I have followed Hoonigan since its inception, and found some of the best fabricators, eg kibbetech, because of them. I have been to a couple events at The Hoonigan Donut Shop, and had a great time, also met some great people with awesome rides there. I've personally met Vaughn Gitten jr, and Brian Scotto, both great dudes with great business sense, and amazing cars.

I do feel it is very unfortunate that the trash that has latched on to the Hoonigan brand has overpowered what I feel (definition 1) is "The Hoonigan" brand.



I do love this definition of ricer boy 240 drivers!



I also strive to be one of the 10 my friend.

Its great that you followed it and understand it and appreciate the people who created it but the truth is that the people they have recruited as their clientel have ruined the brand.

Its the same guys with duck tape and zip ties holding shit together. The ones who use drywall screws on their body kits. The same ones with a teddy bear hanging off their rear tow hook, a jdm student driver sticker in the window and dildo shift knobs 2 and a half feet tall that think tis funny to drift around the parking lot at the local car meet with their 4K dollar S13 shit box. All while throwing rocks at other nicer cars and attracting unwanted attention by law enforcment and JQ Public.

Its the same people that cut you off in rush hour traffic becouse they dont give a shit if they bump you in their patch work quilt paint job.

Oh and lets not forget these same people are the very same people that were fooled that by thinking they represented a brand built around speed and winning that it some how made an improvment in them or a lifestyle statment on their own intentions of speed and "aint care". Anotherwords their dousches on the road and an accident wating to happen all while they put others at risk while making the rest of us look bad.

Im also a near 30 year old 240 owner and I wont ever sell mine but I dont even feel like I would get along with 80% of the people I see driving 240's on the road today. Hoonin stickers with Circus interior stylings ugh..... I cant say anymore or Im gunna puke in my mouth again.