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codyace · 02-14-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by projectdrifter

on a side not cody's car is fasy dont let him fool you. not sure u can get much more out of the setup he is running.

Hehe, I don't expect much, but I will be dataloging a dyno run after installing my cam gears and getting Clark to tweak my chip even more....and at the same time get my Aquamist setup tuned in, as well as launch control...

EchoOfSilence · 02-14-2007, 11:41 PM

is there a reason you didn't get a standalone?

damn dude, that is a really linear hp curve... i envy you. almost looks sc'd or v8 (besides the tq curve)

How's driveability with that low end?

codyace · 02-15-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

is there a reason you didn't get a standalone?

damn dude, that is a really linear hp curve... i envy you. almost looks sc'd or v8 (besides the tq curve)

How's driveability with that low end?

Coming from a V8 background to start, I say down low, the car drives much like any V8 Mustang or Camaro does...it's got enough torque that you can pretty much put around in 4th most of the time...thus saving gas and wear/tear. The only places I ever have had a problem with it being 'to quick' is when I get a littttttle to agressive on corner exits on the track, and I end up just roasting the tires off...but a set of R comounds would fix that undoubtedly...aside from that I love it...there isn't anythign else in the world that is more annoying to me than turbo lag, so it's my goal to eliminate it and create the most 'v8-like' car possible.

...I just hope these cam gears give me even more (to quote Steve Shadows) 'blast from the past v8 feel'

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Originally Posted by Steve Shadows

It will be fastarded....

dont worry...

That's what I like to hear

Now are you using one of those stroker kits, or going with a 90mm Piston?? Either way that turbo is gonna spool so quick!

projectdrifter · 02-15-2007, 11:17 AM

cody i cant wait To have my big turbo setup. maybe get a few highway pulls on you. heck lets take it to island dragway.

EchoOfSilence · 02-15-2007, 02:25 PM

so how is it that you were going about eliminating turbo lag? i don't see an ALS system.... school me. This is really interesting...

codyace · 02-15-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

so how is it that you were going about eliminating turbo lag? i don't see an ALS system.... school me. This is really interesting...

Well not in the literal sense, but I'd liek to achive my goal of having 20 psi at 3400/3500 on street...I already have it at 3700/3800 and want it sooner. I can't afford to go ALS as I can't afford a real ALS turbo.... I guess a real comparsion would be that I want to pack 400 whp/2871r into the spool range of a baby t25 on an SR heeh...

I also like how on track, I can pretty much be in any gear at any rpm, floor it, and have a full 20 psi with a second, ready to get goin down the next straight...that deals with transient and off boost, but you catch my drift...

To me, spooling 20 psi at 4800 rpm is painful...I just can't stand waiting for boost to come on...call me simple, but I'm a HUGE fan of being quicker rather than faster.....

'90RPS13 · 02-15-2007, 07:50 PM

On the springs, you went Greddy? What made you choose Greddy if you dont mind me asking? *a

boostin13b · 02-16-2007, 06:43 AM

[QUOTE=EchoOfSilence]is there a reason you didn't get a standalone?

QUOTE]

Look at page one, he is standalone. AEM EMS.

EchoOfSilence · 02-16-2007, 09:48 AM

[QUOTE=boostin13b]

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Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

is there a reason you didn't get a standalone?

QUOTE]

Look at page one, he is standalone. AEM EMS.

KrazyZenki is using a standalone. I was talking to Cody

boostin13b · 02-16-2007, 05:11 PM

oh, I see. I've noticed down here in Florida, 99% of SR guys rely on rom tunes, I'm not a big fan rom tunes if your going for high horsepower. I typically run AEM on most of my customers cars as well as my own, and if they don't offer a box, then I'll fall back on Power FC, microtech or haltech.

steve shadows · 02-16-2007, 05:23 PM

or you could use a flying lead with the AEM.

haltech offers patch harness for pretty much everything

'90RPS13 · 02-16-2007, 05:34 PM

So would a Power FC be out of the equation for this setup? I am wondering, I just picked up everything minus the turbo and standalone. And wanted to consult on the next move. *a

boostin13b · 02-17-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by '90Silvia

So would a Power FC be out of the equation for this setup? I am wondering, I just picked up everything minus the turbo and standalone. And wanted to consult on the next move. *a

Power FC would be good for this setup. I'm a fan of power FC and have good luck with it when I use it. I would rather go AEM for full standalone though.

GSXRJJordan · 02-17-2007, 04:07 PM

Great dyno graph Zenki, and Cody, we love your setup man

PowerFCs are great if you have a PowerExcel tuner around. If not, you might as well throw it in the JDM trash, 'cause tuning with the commander sucks the big one. Haltech and AEM can be tuned by anyone with a dyno, which gives them the edge in my book.

boostin13b · 02-17-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Great dyno graph Zenki, and Cody, we love your setup man

PowerFCs are great if you have a PowerExcel tuner around. If not, you might as well throw it in the JDM trash, 'cause tuning with the commander sucks the big one. Haltech and AEM can be tuned by anyone with a dyno, which gives them the edge in my book.

The commander isn't too bad. The stock Map that come with them is actually pretty decent depending on what turbo setup you are going with. If you know your way around the Power FC, it's not bad at all, it's not as easy as tuning a map on AEM or Haltech but it's also not as pricey if your on more of a budget, I would rather save up the extra money to go all the way personally.

codyace · 02-18-2007, 12:58 PM

The whole Standalone vs Rom tune is going to go on for ages, and IMO (and experience) that unless you're going to someone who is extremly profecient in that specific tuning, that ROM tunes are the better overall option for 500 whp cars and below.

Now I understand that a true standalone, like Haltech and similar offer a greater ability for extracting the most power out of any particular setup, but I look at the total cost of the setup and the cost of getting it tuned into the final equation. To me, the 20 to 30 more whp you can may not be worth the 1500-2000 total dollars for a tuned EMS system....plus how many can actually afford to dump that much cash into a car that may not be even worth that much!!

Another thing we all need to take info effect is the fuel we use. Not sure if anyone else has taken notice, but e-10 has been beeing pumped into our gas now for a few months, and even JWT has begun not offering 93 octane program because of the irregularities in gas across the country. I'm running a 91 program, and love that I went that way...as there is that built in buffer 'just in case' I got another tank of bad gas (which I have twice in my life, and almost caused the end of my Turbo Altima)

Lastly, no EMS is plug and play and right 95 percent times out of the box like a rom tune. Call up JWT or Enthalpy, get your ECU socketed/chipped, and put it back in, and have fun. Now for those who say 'they are to convervative', you always have the ability to datalog a dyno run, and then send it back to your tuner of choice for a even more refined setup...so you're now 600 total into a custom sepcific tuned ROM for your car, that includes every function that car had stock.

Am I saying EMS systems are junk? Certianly not. Get a car with a custom turbo header and setup, and you can have the best setup possible....but you will only gain the advantages if going to a tuner who knows your choice of EMS inside and out...As I've said, no use in reinventing the wheel. Why run a t28 with stock cams and intake and parts with an EMS, when with that money spent you could have gotten cams, an exhaust, an intake manifold, and a rom tune and made some good power...

Will I someday potentially look into a Standalone? Yes, but only when I've maxed out my rom tune setup and can afford so...but at that point who knows where I will be with my car...I'm very very very content with my power now, and don't feal as if i need much more....

scottie · 02-18-2007, 01:20 PM

Well said Codyace! That is exactly my thoughts. The only reason i would go full standalone is if i wanted the 2 step, boost by gear or other features. As for extracting more horsepower, its not worth it to me. The AEM or equal would be the only thing i would look at. I used to own a Power FC and i can honestly say the stock ECU with a 4 map chip upgrade is better engineered. The Power FC didnt work so well when it was really cold outside. Seemed like the engine just didnt run as smooth as with the Nissan ECU. So this is why i went back to ROM and will stick with it until i go over mid 500rwhp. There is enough research and tuning experts that are so efficient with the ROM tune that it makes sense to go that route. I would like to see if people can start running twin MAFs like the Skyline to get over 600rwhp on a ROM tune.

Scott

'90RPS13 · 02-18-2007, 01:41 PM

Awesome. That was exactly what I was looking for Cody. Preciate it. *a

EchoOfSilence · 02-20-2007, 03:03 PM

where did you get your ROM and tuning from, cody?

codyace · 02-20-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

where did you get your ROM and tuning from, cody?

Jim Wolf Tech...(no offense to Enthalpy, as he's a Genious) only place I'll ever go...

I'll be redynoing in the spring with my cam gears, and sending the datalogged run to Clark for a retune (even though i'ts pretty spot on now), as well as for the Meth Injection, and Launch Control...

'90RPS13 · 03-06-2007, 11:38 AM

So, I am going Thursday to the machine shop for my mani. So do I tell them I want a Top Mount Theoritical Length Manifold? Haha, first time I have ever needed a custom mani. Just trying to get a heads up.

forum04pl · 03-06-2007, 03:18 PM

any track times by any chace? im just wondering because im currently running a 3076r on built bottom end that im going to get retuned next week. ive been looking for what normal track times have been for this setup or ones close.

hahahahaha · 03-06-2007, 03:21 PM

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ just a built bottom end? no cams? valve prings? hg?
how much boost?

hahahahaha · 03-06-2007, 03:24 PM

k if its the 437 whp on ur sig with tires and lsd id say u can maybe see low 11's or maybe even high 10's im just guessing .. cause my friend has a stock motor with a hks 2530 and he runs a 12's low 12's so yeah o and thats with like a 1.7 60ft .. and hes at maybe 320whp so 437 and ofcourse suspension and good tires 11's shouldnt be a problem at all... if u grip of course

forum04pl · 03-06-2007, 03:49 PM

well the full specs on the motor are tomei cams, peak performace valvetrain, apexi headgasket, cp pistons, stock rods and crank. this is with a full race 3076r and a apexi power fc. it made that power on 21psi on pump at the end of the summer, but stock bottom end. i built the bottom end this winter and am going back for more pump numbers and some racegas numbers next week hopefully.

i figured it would pull low 11s with traction, but who knows with racegas and slicks

hahahahaha · 03-06-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by forum04pl

pump numbers and some racegas numbers next week hopefully.

i figured it would pull low 11s with traction, but who knows with racegas and slicks

yup yup ... good luck ! and hope u get some good numbers ... and hopefully 10's at the track with traction ..

forum04pl · 03-06-2007, 04:12 PM

haha yeah and alot of broken stuff all season!

Mad A · 03-06-2007, 09:00 PM

Codyace, your dyno graph just convinced me not to go the LS swap route! I am new to the 240sx scene, and my previous project was a 98 maxima with a swapped 2004 VQ35DE, so I really feel the lack of torque and power in the low end before the turbo kicks in on these smaller engines. I've looked at a bunch of dyno graphs and the curve goes up just too late for my taste, so I was considering an LS swap, or another VQ35 swap (love that engine). But now that I've seen your dyno, I'm sold! Awesome!

KrazyZenki, those are some amazing numbers! Have you run the 1/4 mile yet?

Props to both of you! Hopefully I'll be able to learn as much as I can from this forum and achieve something close to what you two have done

codyace · 03-06-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad A

Codyace, your dyno graph just convinced me not to go the LS swap route! I am new to the 240sx scene, and my previous project was a 98 maxima with a swapped 2004 VQ35DE, so I really feel the lack of torque and power in the low end before the turbo kicks in on these smaller engines. I've looked at a bunch of dyno graphs and the curve goes up just too late for my taste, so I was considering an LS swap, or another VQ35 swap (love that engine). But now that I've seen your dyno, I'm sold! Awesome!

Hehe thanks! It's a fun car for sure, but never discredit the awesomeness of an LSx swap...you'll ahve damn near equal power with simple mods, have a very cheap aftermarket, and have gobs of fun low end torque. I could never bring myelf to swapping one in, but heads/cam/tune LS1 even is going to bring in some awesome numbers...

Either way you go would be balls fun. The car as it sits has no problem beatin gup on higher power cars (weight)...but I would always wonder how quick a 400/400 LSx engine would be in the same chassis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad A

Props to both of you! Hopefully I'll be able to learn as much as I can from this forum and achieve something close to what you two have done

PM if you ever need anything!

EchoOfSilence · 03-07-2007, 12:17 PM

what i'm wondering is why your curves fall @ 6500? is that the turbo choking?

also, do you think you may achieve better response + more power with a different exhaust manifold?

would you ever go equal length?

02-14-2007, 11:41 PM	#62
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Cody... is there a reason you didn't get a standalone? damn dude, that is a really linear hp curve... i envy you. almost looks sc'd or v8 (besides the tq curve) How's driveability with that low end? __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

02-15-2007, 11:17 AM	#64
projectdrifter Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: myrtle beach,south carolina Posts: 932 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cody i cant wait To have my big turbo setup. maybe get a few highway pulls on you. heck lets take it to island dragway. __________________ Mouth of the South There are a few mailboxes that have been looking at me the wrong way, lately. Nothing goes unchecked.

02-15-2007, 02:25 PM	#65
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	so how is it that you were going about eliminating turbo lag? i don't see an ALS system.... school me. This is really interesting... __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

02-16-2007, 05:23 PM	#71
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	or you could use a flying lead with the AEM. haltech offers patch harness for pretty much everything __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

02-17-2007, 04:07 PM	#74
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Great dyno graph Zenki, and Cody, we love your setup man PowerFCs are great if you have a PowerExcel tuner around. If not, you might as well throw it in the JDM trash, 'cause tuning with the commander sucks the big one. Haltech and AEM can be tuned by anyone with a dyno, which gives them the edge in my book. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

02-15-2007, 07:50 PM	#67
'90RPS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,839 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	On the springs, you went Greddy? What made you choose Greddy if you dont mind me asking? *a

02-16-2007, 06:43 AM	#68
boostin13b Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	[QUOTE=EchoOfSilence]is there a reason you didn't get a standalone? QUOTE] Look at page one, he is standalone. AEM EMS.

02-16-2007, 05:11 PM	#70
boostin13b Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh, I see. I've noticed down here in Florida, 99% of SR guys rely on rom tunes, I'm not a big fan rom tunes if your going for high horsepower. I typically run AEM on most of my customers cars as well as my own, and if they don't offer a box, then I'll fall back on Power FC, microtech or haltech.

02-16-2007, 05:34 PM	#72
'90RPS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,839 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So would a Power FC be out of the equation for this setup? I am wondering, I just picked up everything minus the turbo and standalone. And wanted to consult on the next move. *a

02-18-2007, 12:58 PM	#76
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 40 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	The whole Standalone vs Rom tune is going to go on for ages, and IMO (and experience) that unless you're going to someone who is extremly profecient in that specific tuning, that ROM tunes are the better overall option for 500 whp cars and below. Now I understand that a true standalone, like Haltech and similar offer a greater ability for extracting the most power out of any particular setup, but I look at the total cost of the setup and the cost of getting it tuned into the final equation. To me, the 20 to 30 more whp you can may not be worth the 1500-2000 total dollars for a tuned EMS system....plus how many can actually afford to dump that much cash into a car that may not be even worth that much!! Another thing we all need to take info effect is the fuel we use. Not sure if anyone else has taken notice, but e-10 has been beeing pumped into our gas now for a few months, and even JWT has begun not offering 93 octane program because of the irregularities in gas across the country. I'm running a 91 program, and love that I went that way...as there is that built in buffer 'just in case' I got another tank of bad gas (which I have twice in my life, and almost caused the end of my Turbo Altima) Lastly, no EMS is plug and play and right 95 percent times out of the box like a rom tune. Call up JWT or Enthalpy, get your ECU socketed/chipped, and put it back in, and have fun. Now for those who say 'they are to convervative', you always have the ability to datalog a dyno run, and then send it back to your tuner of choice for a even more refined setup...so you're now 600 total into a custom sepcific tuned ROM for your car, that includes every function that car had stock. Am I saying EMS systems are junk? Certianly not. Get a car with a custom turbo header and setup, and you can have the best setup possible....but you will only gain the advantages if going to a tuner who knows your choice of EMS inside and out...As I've said, no use in reinventing the wheel. Why run a t28 with stock cams and intake and parts with an EMS, when with that money spent you could have gotten cams, an exhaust, an intake manifold, and a rom tune and made some good power... Will I someday potentially look into a Standalone? Yes, but only when I've maxed out my rom tune setup and can afford so...but at that point who knows where I will be with my car...I'm very very very content with my power now, and don't feal as if i need much more.... __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

02-18-2007, 01:20 PM	#77
scottie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: asluT Posts: 1,287 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Well said Codyace! That is exactly my thoughts. The only reason i would go full standalone is if i wanted the 2 step, boost by gear or other features. As for extracting more horsepower, its not worth it to me. The AEM or equal would be the only thing i would look at. I used to own a Power FC and i can honestly say the stock ECU with a 4 map chip upgrade is better engineered. The Power FC didnt work so well when it was really cold outside. Seemed like the engine just didnt run as smooth as with the Nissan ECU. So this is why i went back to ROM and will stick with it until i go over mid 500rwhp. There is enough research and tuning experts that are so efficient with the ROM tune that it makes sense to go that route. I would like to see if people can start running twin MAFs like the Skyline to get over 600rwhp on a ROM tune. Scott

02-18-2007, 01:41 PM	#78
'90RPS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,839 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Awesome. That was exactly what I was looking for Cody. Preciate it. *a

02-20-2007, 03:03 PM	#79
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	where did you get your ROM and tuning from, cody? __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

03-06-2007, 11:38 AM	#81
'90RPS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NC Age: 38 Posts: 2,839 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So, I am going Thursday to the machine shop for my mani. So do I tell them I want a Top Mount Theoritical Length Manifold? Haha, first time I have ever needed a custom mani. Just trying to get a heads up.

03-06-2007, 03:18 PM	#82
forum04pl Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: boston Posts: 573 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	any track times by any chace? im just wondering because im currently running a 3076r on built bottom end that im going to get retuned next week. ive been looking for what normal track times have been for this setup or ones close.

03-06-2007, 03:21 PM	#83
hahahahaha Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Califonia Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ ^ ^ ^ ^ just a built bottom end? no cams? valve prings? hg? how much boost?

03-06-2007, 03:24 PM	#84
hahahahaha Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Califonia Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	k if its the 437 whp on ur sig with tires and lsd id say u can maybe see low 11's or maybe even high 10's im just guessing .. cause my friend has a stock motor with a hks 2530 and he runs a 12's low 12's so yeah o and thats with like a 1.7 60ft .. and hes at maybe 320whp so 437 and ofcourse suspension and good tires 11's shouldnt be a problem at all... if u grip of course

03-06-2007, 03:49 PM	#85
forum04pl Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: boston Posts: 573 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	well the full specs on the motor are tomei cams, peak performace valvetrain, apexi headgasket, cp pistons, stock rods and crank. this is with a full race 3076r and a apexi power fc. it made that power on 21psi on pump at the end of the summer, but stock bottom end. i built the bottom end this winter and am going back for more pump numbers and some racegas numbers next week hopefully. i figured it would pull low 11s with traction, but who knows with racegas and slicks

03-06-2007, 04:12 PM	#87
forum04pl Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: boston Posts: 573 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	haha yeah and alot of broken stuff all season!

03-06-2007, 09:00 PM	#88
Mad A Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth Posts: 35 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Codyace, your dyno graph just convinced me not to go the LS swap route! I am new to the 240sx scene, and my previous project was a 98 maxima with a swapped 2004 VQ35DE, so I really feel the lack of torque and power in the low end before the turbo kicks in on these smaller engines. I've looked at a bunch of dyno graphs and the curve goes up just too late for my taste, so I was considering an LS swap, or another VQ35 swap (love that engine). But now that I've seen your dyno, I'm sold! Awesome! KrazyZenki, those are some amazing numbers! Have you run the 1/4 mile yet? Props to both of you! Hopefully I'll be able to learn as much as I can from this forum and achieve something close to what you two have done

03-07-2007, 12:17 PM	#90
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	what i'm wondering is why your curves fall @ 6500? is that the turbo choking? also, do you think you may achieve better response + more power with a different exhaust manifold? would you ever go equal length? __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

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