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sr20tom · 12-13-2006, 09:12 PM

I want to order a power FC but i do not know what year my s13 black top is. I got it whith a clip, but threw the tag out 5 years ago. I cant judge by the ecu because a dude reached into the closet to get it. The ecu is an E5. The cluster that was in the clip has an airbag light in between the turn signals and that is what leads me to believe that it is a 96+ but i am not sure on that part. Do you guys know what year did the s13 come with an airbag light in between the turn signals? Is there a way to find out if its a 94-96 or a 96+? Thanx
Tom

!Zar! · 12-13-2006, 10:05 PM

Why don't you just check your ecu...

kuramaya · 12-13-2006, 10:07 PM

It's a Chuki 180. Same as mine. I can check my PFC box when I get home. Send me a PM to remind me.

edit oh shit...now I know what you mean. Chances are it is a 94 or 95. Not many Type X motors for sale that I have seen. But as far as I know, the PFC should be the same for all Chuki's with black top.

Late
Daryl

smelly240 · 12-13-2006, 10:12 PM

E5=94-96

J4 is 96-99

E5 actually came in some redtop 180s as well (the ones with the blacktop fins on hte head)

blackflag_Rms13 · 12-13-2006, 10:14 PM

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smelly240 · 12-13-2006, 10:16 PM

you rock!

msglngthsxmybllz

kuramaya · 12-13-2006, 10:19 PM

airbag light, then again, must be the later model...Ive never seen an airbag in a 180 though...never been in a 180 later than 96...maybe you got a really new motor

smelly240 · 12-13-2006, 10:21 PM

Airbags were an option i guess... but airbag light on a 180sx ecu is usually a kouki car (96+)

either way u have a harness set up for E5 ecu - so u want power FC for a 94-96.

the J4/5 harness doesnt work with E5 ecu's and vice versa

if u got a motorset its likely its a mismatched set - if its a clip then i suppose airbag was a 94-96 option. Are your cluster lights lil dots or are the the actual pics and words that light up?

DrtyRat · 12-13-2006, 10:36 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt' the ecu determine which pfc to get. For instance I have a s14 sr w/a WC ecu, which I was told goes to the zenki. However, my sr has the fins on the front w/the slanted valve cover, which most would say means its a kouki...Correct?

smelly240 · 12-13-2006, 10:48 PM

the s13blacktops had 2 different ones - but which PFC works is determined by the harness... the E# and J# are different so if he plugs in a 96+ PFC ecu where a E5 is - its not gonna work.

all the S14s i believe use the same PFC... the fins on the head is just for s13 motors not notch tops.

ur motor is a S14 motor (notch top) he has a blacktop (no vtc)

DrtyRat · 12-13-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smelly240

the s13blacktops had 2 different ones - but which PFC works is determined by the harness... the E# and J# are different so if he plugs in a 96+ PFC ecu where a E5 is - its not gonna work.

all the S14s i believe use the same PFC... the fins on the head is just for s13 motors not notch tops.

ur motor is a S14 motor (notch top) he has a blacktop (no vtc)

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S14 motors have fins on the head...but I was just trying to say that I thought the ecu determined the model of PFC that you would select. Someone with knowledge of this please chime in. I want to be sure that the thread starter and myself have the correct info before it is purchased.

Slidin240Wayz · 12-13-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smelly240

all the S14s i believe use the same PFC... the fins on the head is just for s13 motors not notch tops.

This is FALSE. S14 SR20DETs have zenki and kouki models.

Aaron might chime in because I think he has the Chuki S14 SR20DET.

Carlos

smelly240 · 12-13-2006, 11:16 PM

this thread is completely about the s13 - and the powerFC pinout would have to be the same as the pinout of the ecu thats in hte car...

i was def wrong abou thte s14 motors using th esame pfc tho - but i am pretty sure about the s13 ecu determining the pfc needed.

dont ALL of the s14 motors have fins? that'd make it negligable. I def dont want anyone to buy the wrong thing - but a E and J s13 ecu arent interchangable... therefore the ECU in hte car would determine the pfc used - thats why i told him to get a 94-96 ecu (E5 is 94-96) but an airbag cluster with lit pictures rather than lights are for 96+... so while the engine and cluster might be 96+ - the harness and ecu are not.

kuramaya · 12-13-2006, 11:23 PM

The Redtop and Blacktop SR's can not share the same PFC, they have different O2 Sesnors. The blacktop O2 Sensor is larger and the ECU will only work with the larger sensor, also the exhaust Cam Sprocket is larger...I think but not sure the Chuki and Kouki (s13) blacktops are the same...

DrtyRat · 12-13-2006, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smelly240

this thread is completely about the s13 - and the powerFC pinout would have to be the same as the pinout of the ecu thats in hte car...

i was def wrong abou thte s14 motors using th esame pfc tho - but i am pretty sure about the s13 ecu determining the pfc needed.

dont ALL of the s14 motors have fins? that'd make it negligable. I def dont want anyone to buy the wrong thing - but a E and J s13 ecu arent interchangable... therefore the ECU in hte car would determine the pfc used - thats why i told him to get a 94-96 ecu (E5 is 94-96) but an airbag cluster with lit pictures rather than lights are for 96+... so while the engine and cluster might be 96+ - the harness and ecu are not.

YOu're right, this is about the s13. However someone,iirc, alluded(sp?) to the fact that the engine would determine the pfc to choose. That's why the point about the s14 sr's was brought up. Not all s14's have the fins btw. I just really need to be sure before I shell out the money for this thing.

smelly240 · 12-13-2006, 11:25 PM

E and J are both black top - but kouki and chuki are NOT interchangeable for ECU - as for the s14 - go by the ECU code -
post 96 blacktops use s14 sensors... ??? at least they arent the same as the pre96 ones... and if u change the o2 - a redtop pfc should work (but y do that i have no idea just buy the 94-96 blacktop one) (btw i alluded(also SP?) that the harness/ecu would determine it not the block/engine)

sr20tom · 12-14-2006, 02:02 PM

i wierd with the light throwing me off. My car runs on both the 62 and the E5 but with that light i assumed it was a 96+. Here are some picks of the light and the engine

smelly240 · 12-14-2006, 04:13 PM

i think we met once at E-Town u were runnin ur car and i commented that i liked the add on on ur front bumper...

but yea a 94-96 PFC will replace your e5.

the e5 and 62 ecu's since they have a shared pinout configuration... and i tried a 62 ecu in my car today, with the chips out of my daughterboard and the o2 works still... i drove around the parking lot and burned em off sittin there a lil and it seemed perfect -if anyone wants to see the log - i can send you it.

kensreliableb18b · 12-14-2006, 04:23 PM

just go with the one ending with -N015. it will run on redtop and blacktop no problem.

12-13-2006, 09:12 PM	#1
sr20tom Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Posts: 147 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what year is my motor I want to order a power FC but i do not know what year my s13 black top is. I got it whith a clip, but threw the tag out 5 years ago. I cant judge by the ecu because a dude reached into the closet to get it. The ecu is an E5. The cluster that was in the clip has an airbag light in between the turn signals and that is what leads me to believe that it is a 96+ but i am not sure on that part. Do you guys know what year did the s13 come with an airbag light in between the turn signals? Is there a way to find out if its a 94-96 or a 96+? Thanx Tom __________________ 91 SRtweezy powered sil-80

12-13-2006, 10:05 PM	#2
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Why don't you just check your ecu... __________________

12-13-2006, 10:07 PM	#3
kuramaya Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 沖縄 , Japan Age: 52 Posts: 1,677 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kuramaya Feedback Score: 1 reviews	It's a Chuki 180. Same as mine. I can check my PFC box when I get home. Send me a PM to remind me. edit oh shit...now I know what you mean. Chances are it is a 94 or 95. Not many Type X motors for sale that I have seen. But as far as I know, the PFC should be the same for all Chuki's with black top. Late Daryl __________________ ZEROYON WEBSITE IS HOMO NEW SITE: blacklinux.com/innersanctum/index.php

12-13-2006, 10:19 PM	#7
kuramaya Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 沖縄 , Japan Age: 52 Posts: 1,677 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kuramaya Feedback Score: 1 reviews	airbag light, then again, must be the later model...Ive never seen an airbag in a 180 though...never been in a 180 later than 96...maybe you got a really new motor __________________ ZEROYON WEBSITE IS HOMO NEW SITE: blacklinux.com/innersanctum/index.php

12-13-2006, 11:23 PM	#14
kuramaya Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 沖縄 , Japan Age: 52 Posts: 1,677 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kuramaya Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The Redtop and Blacktop SR's can not share the same PFC, they have different O2 Sesnors. The blacktop O2 Sensor is larger and the ECU will only work with the larger sensor, also the exhaust Cam Sprocket is larger...I think but not sure the Chuki and Kouki (s13) blacktops are the same... __________________ ZEROYON WEBSITE IS HOMO NEW SITE: blacklinux.com/innersanctum/index.php

12-13-2006, 10:12 PM	#4
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	E5=94-96 J4 is 96-99 E5 actually came in some redtop 180s as well (the ones with the blacktop fins on hte head)

12-13-2006, 10:14 PM	#5
blackflag_Rms13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,133 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This thread roxxxxxxxx

12-13-2006, 10:16 PM	#6
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	you rock! msglngthsxmybllz

12-13-2006, 10:21 PM	#8
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Airbags were an option i guess... but airbag light on a 180sx ecu is usually a kouki car (96+) either way u have a harness set up for E5 ecu - so u want power FC for a 94-96. the J4/5 harness doesnt work with E5 ecu's and vice versa if u got a motorset its likely its a mismatched set - if its a clip then i suppose airbag was a 94-96 option. Are your cluster lights lil dots or are the the actual pics and words that light up?

12-13-2006, 10:48 PM	#10
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	the s13blacktops had 2 different ones - but which PFC works is determined by the harness... the E# and J# are different so if he plugs in a 96+ PFC ecu where a E5 is - its not gonna work. all the S14s i believe use the same PFC... the fins on the head is just for s13 motors not notch tops. ur motor is a S14 motor (notch top) he has a blacktop (no vtc)

12-13-2006, 11:16 PM	#13
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	this thread is completely about the s13 - and the powerFC pinout would have to be the same as the pinout of the ecu thats in hte car... i was def wrong abou thte s14 motors using th esame pfc tho - but i am pretty sure about the s13 ecu determining the pfc needed. dont ALL of the s14 motors have fins? that'd make it negligable. I def dont want anyone to buy the wrong thing - but a E and J s13 ecu arent interchangable... therefore the ECU in hte car would determine the pfc used - thats why i told him to get a 94-96 ecu (E5 is 94-96) but an airbag cluster with lit pictures rather than lights are for 96+... so while the engine and cluster might be 96+ - the harness and ecu are not.

12-13-2006, 11:25 PM	#16
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	E and J are both black top - but kouki and chuki are NOT interchangeable for ECU - as for the s14 - go by the ECU code - post 96 blacktops use s14 sensors... ??? at least they arent the same as the pre96 ones... and if u change the o2 - a redtop pfc should work (but y do that i have no idea just buy the 94-96 blacktop one) (btw i alluded(also SP?) that the harness/ecu would determine it not the block/engine)

12-14-2006, 02:02 PM	#17
sr20tom Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Posts: 147 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wierd with the light throwing me off. My car runs on both the 62 and the E5 but with that light i assumed it was a 96+. Here are some picks of the light and the engine __________________ 91 SRtweezy powered sil-80

12-14-2006, 04:13 PM	#18
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	i think we met once at E-Town u were runnin ur car and i commented that i liked the add on on ur front bumper... but yea a 94-96 PFC will replace your e5. the e5 and 62 ecu's since they have a shared pinout configuration... and i tried a 62 ecu in my car today, with the chips out of my daughterboard and the o2 works still... i drove around the parking lot and burned em off sittin there a lil and it seemed perfect -if anyone wants to see the log - i can send you it.

12-14-2006, 04:23 PM	#19
kensreliableb18b Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: so cal - 626, 909, 562 and 949. 818 if i feel like running away Posts: 945 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	just go with the one ending with -N015. it will run on redtop and blacktop no problem.