Wish me luck, gonna convert to Honda ecu. - Page 3 - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

MegasquirtCA · 01-30-2008, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngriff

BUT PLEASE SHOW EVERYONE HOW SUPER THIS WILL BE, I WILL ONCE AGAIN BE BLINDED AT THE MIGHT OF A HONDA DISTRIBUTOR ON A 1.8 L

This is not julian

Actually the distributor will be off of a 1.5l, that make it worse?

It is just sad some people in this thread. Seems like you have a hate for honda for some reason. I guess I would be pissed if I dumped money in a JDM nissan shitbox just to have it break on me or buy a $1300 stand alone just to have it get shit on by a stock honda ECU.

Oh well, People have to hate for a reason, huh?

MegasquirtCA · 01-30-2008, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA

Anyways as I was researching on the capabilities of the Honda stock ignition see what limit it can go. Supposedly somebody dynoed 731whp but I cant find a dyno sheet on that.

Actually it is 830whp. But who is counting?

MegasquirtCA · 01-30-2008, 09:51 PM

Well the turbo im gonna be running isnt that enormous, I have a GTi-R T28 I assume it will be closer to this.

A guy on the CA forum had a S15 BB Turbo and he got this from a Norsham chip.

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 09:35 AM

Just buy a fucking honda

How much will this be costing you in time not just outright cash?

Ill be waiting to see how much a dismal failure this is.

In regards to my posting on FA? I didnt notice he posted this topic on FA, but when I get around to it Ill flame the shit out of it on there too.

Seriously why not buy a used s2000? They are great cars?

It's like everyone who jumped on the 240sx bandwagon in 04 and sold their civic, is trying to get back to civic land, but have a cheap rwd chasis.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that most of the poeple in this thread talked shit on nissans until the honda fad was so dead they had to buy a 240sx.

Please Megasquirt, tell me why an EMS is not better than this?

In regards to this being "better" than a 1300 $ real EMS, you can find a power fc for the CA on ebay or a JDM junkyard dist for aroun 600 bucks, plug and play and it gives you a hand job while you are setting it.

So far in this thread we have proven through our own west coater personal experiene that:

-Nissan Ignition on the CA/RB does not fail as you say it does
-Broken keys do not effect the trigger read out of the crank locality
-The crank trigger and independent igniter system is SUPERIOR to the classic distributor/single igniter Honda system
-There is no point to this besides being able to use the Honda dist
-The Nissan trigger in oem form reads the rotation of the crankshaft in smaller intervals than the Honda one does (this means MORE tune ability)
-PFC is 20/20 table, Haltech is 32/32 and soon to be even higher resolution. + you get 26 different correction maps, bar correction, air temp, and integrated closed loop everything if you want it (included boost control for like 90 buck solenoid). I mean at least get a microtech.
-LS1 Coil setup is far superior to this even while retaining 100% oem Nissan CAS

730 hp? Great I know oem nissan igniton can do that too and on a load bearing brake eddy dyno. and not just for a peak number at 9k.

I'm going to leave this thread now, ill come back when you have finished this and have dyno videos of the new honda setup and the car and proof that it is superior. thanks

***S14DB*** · 01-31-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibo

Do they really have the support behind them that Honda ECUs have? I've honestly never bothered to look.

I dunno all the set ups there are like nistune and romulator. This is what I use,
http://www.sr20tuning.com/theoryandpartsrequired.html

bongnak · 01-31-2008, 10:51 AM

steve shadows<---wow, are you trying to sell something? what are you so afraid of?

-your comment: "In regards to my posting on FA? I didnt notice he posted this topic on FA, but when I get around to it Ill flame the shit out of it on there too.", thats very mature buddy. This comment lead me to believe that its not a matter of expressing pros and cons, but more of you just "flamming" him/others. Not a very good idea to do so, esp on a public forum where possible customers are lurking.

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 10:58 AM

I just exposed the cons? did you read my post?

All I sell is my services. He's not even local so no, It would be impossible that I would be selling anything.

There is no pro to this. Literally. I can't think of a single one.

its bulleted and outlined in my last post

do you want me to draw pictures? well too bad im frying eggs.

look the title of the thread is: wish me luck, Im going to shave my pubes with a chain saw.

Im just giving my honest angry opinion, hopefully to help the guy in the end.

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

-Nissan Ignition on the CA/RB does not fail as you say it does
-Broken keys do not effect the trigger read out of the crank locality
-The crank trigger and independent igniter system is SUPERIOR to the classic distributor/single igniter Honda system
-There is no point to this besides being able to use the Honda dist
-The Nissan trigger in oem form reads the rotation of the crankshaft in smaller intervals than the Honda one does (this means MORE tune ability)
-PFC is 20/20 table, Haltech is 32/32 and soon to be even higher resolution. + you get 26 different correction maps, bar correction, air temp, and integrated closed loop everything if you want it (included boost control for like 90 buck solenoid). I mean at least get a microtech.
-LS1 Coil setup is far superior to this even while retaining 100% oem Nissan CAS

730 hp? Great I know oem nissan igniton can do that too and on a load bearing brake eddy dyno. and not just for a peak number at 9k.

I'm going to leave this thread now, ill come back when you have finished this and have dyno videos of the new honda setup and the car and proof that it is superior. thanks

-I have never had a honda distributor break a shaft.
-Yeah? You better tell that to Tony Palo that 9.3x on single coil and distributor. Coil packs do have a advanage, but nothing crazy.
-Yeah, no point. Cheap, proven system. Yep, no point
-hahah, You like pointing out shit that do not matter? I guess you have no experience, just what you read. Watch out internet warrior!!!!
-Neptune is 24x24 with 4 maps for main fuel maps. AND has all the correction tables you listed. It has closed loop boost control and PWM nitrous control. Opps, did I mess your game up? I have tuned them all. Power FC and microtech are a joke. MoTec is woth the money

-Yeah. I run LS1 coils on hondas too. You slip again? I thought nissan was good, why run GM parts?

Actually 830whp. Get it right. I never posted the dyno and the powerband it ALOT more then that.

Thank you. I am amused by how dumb you are. I guess if I was spoon fed info, I would be as hallow as a pipe too.

Some how I know you have some 350whp drift shitbox

johngriff · 01-31-2008, 02:20 PM

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngriff

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

You will have to ask julian, not me. I am just here to clear up the BS. I know we are using the same account.

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngriff

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

My first post answered your question, as well as several other times during this thread. MS is fine, how do you think I drive the car, definatly not on hopes and dreams?

Why are you guys still talking? I thought you guys were gonna get out of this thread?

Plus if MS did break its easy to repair, after all it was hand built by me and my friend.

inertiaticism · 01-31-2008, 03:00 PM

Maybe he just likes working on his fucking car and thought this would be fun to fuck around with.
I love nice hardware, and will probably save up for haltech when I get around to building a motor for my car that is worth having an EMS for but screwing around with stuff like this is fun.
Time may be money, but the day that my time becomes so scarce that I can't spare some to screw with my car for no apparent reason is the day that I realize my priorities are skewed.

For the record, I would probably just tune the CA ecu like S14DB said.
I would focus some of my effort on getting to the bottom of why my was eating CASes and ignitors and come up with a solution to the problem.

Fuck MS, I've run it on one of my own cars and installed on 2 others and got tired of it fast.
Some people really like it though, so w/e.

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA

Some how I know you have some 350whp drift shitbox

Im a drag racer? where have you been.

I just got into grip recently.

Your reply to my points are just rambling.

I mentioned the LS1's because you the Haltech and other real EMS are setup to run them right out of the box, they are ready to accept the kit with a couple wires being inserted into the units pigtail.

Ive tuned cars with more output than my own car and I have tuned at least once every EMS you have probably seen on thei board or mentioned for gen pop use on nissans. It's not like i am talking completely out of my ass on this.

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngriff

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

John have you every head of a Nissan CAS breaking a shaft?

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Im a drag racer? where have you been.

I just got into grip recently.

Your reply to my points are just rambling.

I mentioned the LS1's because you the Haltech and other real EMS are setup to run them right out of the box, they are ready to accept the kit with a couple wires being inserted into the units pigtail.

Ive tuned cars with more output than my own car and I have tuned at least once every EMS you have probably seen on thei board or mentioned for gen pop use on nissans. It's not like i am talking completely out of my ass on this.

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Im a drag racer? where have you been.

I just got into grip recently.

Your reply to my points are just rambling.

I mentioned the LS1's because you the Haltech and other real EMS are setup to run them right out of the box, they are ready to accept the kit with a couple wires being inserted into the units pigtail.

Ive tuned cars with more output than my own car and I have tuned at least once every EMS you have probably seen on thei board or mentioned for gen pop use on nissans. It's not like i am talking completely out of my ass on this.

Just got into grip? ahhh, That is cute!!!

They have run individual coils with a stock honda ECU, that make it a real EMS? In your terms, it does.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd output of a car defines the tuner. You know how I know you are a new tuner? You talk and talk about BS. You are. You are talking about a system you know nothing about. Then (in a way to show your age) crying about how people are not using the systems you like.

Facts are:

-You tune one series of motor, because you do not fully understand tuning. Just the tips and tricks of it.
-You are a loud mouth. You run your mouth about nothing.

Continue to post. This is your customer base. Look like more of a jackass. BTW, I read your tuning posts. Next post is pointing out your inexperience. Continue

I guess anyone can be a hardass on the internet

johngriff · 01-31-2008, 03:40 PM

YAY 77 posts, and not even 1 ounce of actual work done concerning the OP.

I love benchracing on the web.

Like I said before, go DO IT, stop posting online about "if's and buts"

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngriff

YAY 77 posts, and not even 1 ounce of actual work done concerning the OP.

I love benchracing on the web.

Like I said before, go DO IT, stop posting online about "if's and buts"

Wait, You and your buddy are talking shit. Do not try to change that.

You two should tryng be nice and open to ideas.

To add to your "no work has been done" That is not true. I have everything planned out, just wanting on time to do it all at once.

johngriff · 01-31-2008, 03:50 PM

You just want to pick a fight with me?

I'll dyno my ca in march.

On stock coils, and an emanage.

Blow you out of the box in tq and hp.

Bet you $50 bucks.

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 03:55 PM

BAwhahhahaha, You are sad. Dyno is a tuning tool, not a penis measurement.

Look, I will be nice. I hope the best with your CA and hope you make the power you want

See, it is not that hard

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 04:01 PM

actually it's a tuning tool and a penis measurement.

literally.

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

actually it's a tuning tool and a penis measurement.

literally.

I guess to you, my friend

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 04:13 PM

ok....again your taking this off topic not us.

Ive tuned a couple other engines besides the sr20det, I make my offer available to other engines all the time, I might be tuning a bmw cup car soon actually.

What progress have you made on your OP?

Like john says about benchracing. I don't know how Mega can even try to attack me.

I have a DYNO and I dyno tune cars pretty regular basis when I have free time, mostly for fun. In fact nothing I do is really benched, It's on the dyno, or on a track.

I am going to law school in the end I could give a shit about upkeeping my image people unwilling to do things right for themselves.

I post in order to try to help others avoid enless hours or pain, sandess and eventual giving up on their car hobby in dismay, not to make a quick buck and as you say "talk bs"

iRONDONkey · 01-31-2008, 04:14 PM

forget the haters. it is time for something out of the ordinary.

keep us posted!!

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 04:18 PM

You really cannot get any more ordinary than the honda ignition.

Out of the ordinary was Matt Vasello in Florida putting together his own pre-shimmed solid lifter system for the SR20det motor that was ready to instal out of the box. That was innovation and engineering offered to the boards.

I really dont mean to flame anymore.

But I am curious about the power advantages of this system.

A dyno will have to be used to evaluate this. We can coordinate that when you are ready via the internet so you have a similar Baro input, weather station readings and other parameters to compare against John's numbers with the E-manage and stock nissan ignition system.

importdude · 01-31-2008, 04:23 PM

good luck,
neptune is by far one of the best programs using the stock honda ecu without getting into standalone ems

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

ok....again your taking this off topic not us.

Ive tuned a couple other engines besides the sr20det, I make my offer available to other engines all the time, I might be tuning a bmw cup car soon actually.

What progress have you made on your OP?

Like john says about benchracing. I don't know how Mega can even try to attack me.

I have a DYNO and I dyno tune cars pretty regular basis when I have free time, mostly for fun. In fact nothing I do is really benched, It's on the dyno, or on a track.

I am going to law school in the end I could give a shit about upkeeping my image people unwilling to do things right for themselves.

I post in order to try to help others avoid enless hours or pain, sandess and eventual giving up on their car hobby in dismay, not to make a quick buck and as you say "talk bs"

Honsetly, all BS aside. You are not helping anyone. Let people do what they want to do. Add TECH where you think it is right. NOT the BS you have been posting.

I am well aware of what mega is doing. In fact, I am a mechanical engineer from a top school. I am glad you are going into law, good luck.

You started this. Next time, learn to talk with a filter. Someone will ALWAYS know more then you.

This is done, leave the thread and have a nice day.

steve shadows · 01-31-2008, 04:30 PM

How did I post any BS?

I posted facts.

I asked you if you were an engineering student, you never responded.

That changes everything

Just repeat this to yourself 100 times

"there is no longer such thing as original thought"

PS. We seriously want you to take up the offer to do a cross country Dyno competition. between myself A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR and you with the Honda system.

We will compare as listed above.

The Stock Nissan IGN
Honda Repl IGN

This is an closed invite to you and your entire school of engineers.

Just keep up the honor code! come on it will be fun.

smokeybear · 01-31-2008, 04:35 PM

honestly, i agree 100% with the guys who are supporting the haltech stuff. i personally think MS is a great system, opening the doors to people who want to learn to tune in a fairly easy manor. however i think you honda ecu/harness is literally pointless. if it wasn't for your buddy, the price of this "project" would be far more than buying a haltech or using your current MS setup. also, if you hate the CA, why swap it in?? i realize that hondata and the other honda programs may be great, but i really don't see any actual benefits to this. for the average joe to try this, it would be far too pricey for the returns you get (not sure what exactly the returns are, but im sure you see them) good luck and grats with your project, but i agree with 50% of these posts, its pointless.

MegasquirtCA · 01-31-2008, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

How did I post any BS?

I posted facts.

I asked you if you were an engineering student, you never responded.

That changes everything

Just repeat this to yourself 100 times

"there is no longer such thing as original thought"

PS. We seriously want you to take up the offer to do a cross country Dyno competition. between myself A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR and you with the Honda system.

We will compare as listed above.

The Stock Nissan IGN
Honda Repl IGN

This is an closed invite to you and your entire school of engineers.

Just keep up the honor code! come on it will be fun.

You just do not get it. You are using a DD of all dynos. I am glad you are going into law and not engineering. You would fail the first course

You ask Julian, not me BTW. As I stated before, I am using his account. Julian is not a engineer or anything.

You get worse and worse every post. Now you want to compare a true EMS to a hack? Your lack of experience is showing

01-31-2008, 09:35 AM	#64
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Just buy a fucking honda How much will this be costing you in time not just outright cash? Ill be waiting to see how much a dismal failure this is. In regards to my posting on FA? I didnt notice he posted this topic on FA, but when I get around to it Ill flame the shit out of it on there too. Seriously why not buy a used s2000? They are great cars? It's like everyone who jumped on the 240sx bandwagon in 04 and sold their civic, is trying to get back to civic land, but have a cheap rwd chasis. I am going to go out on a limb and say that most of the poeple in this thread talked shit on nissans until the honda fad was so dead they had to buy a 240sx. Please Megasquirt, tell me why an EMS is not better than this? In regards to this being "better" than a 1300 $ real EMS, you can find a power fc for the CA on ebay or a JDM junkyard dist for aroun 600 bucks, plug and play and it gives you a hand job while you are setting it. So far in this thread we have proven through our own west coater personal experiene that: -Nissan Ignition on the CA/RB does not fail as you say it does -Broken keys do not effect the trigger read out of the crank locality -The crank trigger and independent igniter system is SUPERIOR to the classic distributor/single igniter Honda system -There is no point to this besides being able to use the Honda dist -The Nissan trigger in oem form reads the rotation of the crankshaft in smaller intervals than the Honda one does (this means MORE tune ability) -PFC is 20/20 table, Haltech is 32/32 and soon to be even higher resolution. + you get 26 different correction maps, bar correction, air temp, and integrated closed loop everything if you want it (included boost control for like 90 buck solenoid). I mean at least get a microtech. -LS1 Coil setup is far superior to this even while retaining 100% oem Nissan CAS 730 hp? Great I know oem nissan igniton can do that too and on a load bearing brake eddy dyno. and not just for a peak number at 9k. I'm going to leave this thread now, ill come back when you have finished this and have dyno videos of the new honda setup and the car and proof that it is superior. thanks __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-31-2008, 10:51 AM	#66
bongnak Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So-Cal Age: 41 Posts: 337 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	steve shadows<---wow, are you trying to sell something? what are you so afraid of? -your comment: "In regards to my posting on FA? I didnt notice he posted this topic on FA, but when I get around to it Ill flame the shit out of it on there too.", thats very mature buddy. This comment lead me to believe that its not a matter of expressing pros and cons, but more of you just "flamming" him/others. Not a very good idea to do so, esp on a public forum where possible customers are lurking. __________________ Zzzz

01-31-2008, 10:58 AM	#67
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I just exposed the cons? did you read my post? All I sell is my services. He's not even local so no, It would be impossible that I would be selling anything. There is no pro to this. Literally. I can't think of a single one. its bulleted and outlined in my last post do you want me to draw pictures? well too bad im frying eggs. look the title of the thread is: wish me luck, Im going to shave my pubes with a chain saw. Im just giving my honest angry opinion, hopefully to help the guy in the end. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-31-2008, 02:20 PM	#69
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup? __________________ [email protected]

01-31-2008, 03:40 PM	#77
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	YAY 77 posts, and not even 1 ounce of actual work done concerning the OP. I love benchracing on the web. Like I said before, go DO IT, stop posting online about "if's and buts" __________________ [email protected]

01-30-2008, 09:51 PM	#63
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Well the turbo im gonna be running isnt that enormous, I have a GTi-R T28 I assume it will be closer to this. A guy on the CA forum had a S15 BB Turbo and he got this from a Norsham chip.

01-31-2008, 03:00 PM	#72
inertiaticism Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 41 Posts: 320 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Maybe he just likes working on his fucking car and thought this would be fun to fuck around with. I love nice hardware, and will probably save up for haltech when I get around to building a motor for my car that is worth having an EMS for but screwing around with stuff like this is fun. Time may be money, but the day that my time becomes so scarce that I can't spare some to screw with my car for no apparent reason is the day that I realize my priorities are skewed. For the record, I would probably just tune the CA ecu like S14DB said. I would focus some of my effort on getting to the bottom of why my was eating CASes and ignitors and come up with a solution to the problem. Fuck MS, I've run it on one of my own cars and installed on 2 others and got tired of it fast. Some people really like it though, so w/e.

01-31-2008, 03:50 PM	#79
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	You just want to pick a fight with me? I'll dyno my ca in march. On stock coils, and an emanage. Blow you out of the box in tq and hp. Bet you $50 bucks. __________________ [email protected]

01-31-2008, 03:55 PM	#80
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	BAwhahhahaha, You are sad. Dyno is a tuning tool, not a penis measurement. Look, I will be nice. I hope the best with your CA and hope you make the power you want See, it is not that hard

01-31-2008, 04:01 PM	#81
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	actually it's a tuning tool and a penis measurement. literally. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-31-2008, 04:13 PM	#83
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	ok....again your taking this off topic not us. Ive tuned a couple other engines besides the sr20det, I make my offer available to other engines all the time, I might be tuning a bmw cup car soon actually. What progress have you made on your OP? Like john says about benchracing. I don't know how Mega can even try to attack me. I have a DYNO and I dyno tune cars pretty regular basis when I have free time, mostly for fun. In fact nothing I do is really benched, It's on the dyno, or on a track. I am going to law school in the end I could give a shit about upkeeping my image people unwilling to do things right for themselves. I post in order to try to help others avoid enless hours or pain, sandess and eventual giving up on their car hobby in dismay, not to make a quick buck and as you say "talk bs" __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-31-2008, 04:14 PM	#84
iRONDONkey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: in yo mailbox! Posts: 463 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	forget the haters. it is time for something out of the ordinary. keep us posted!!

01-31-2008, 04:18 PM	#85
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	You really cannot get any more ordinary than the honda ignition. Out of the ordinary was Matt Vasello in Florida putting together his own pre-shimmed solid lifter system for the SR20det motor that was ready to instal out of the box. That was innovation and engineering offered to the boards. I really dont mean to flame anymore. But I am curious about the power advantages of this system. A dyno will have to be used to evaluate this. We can coordinate that when you are ready via the internet so you have a similar Baro input, weather station readings and other parameters to compare against John's numbers with the E-manage and stock nissan ignition system. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-31-2008, 04:23 PM	#86
importdude Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: san j0 Posts: 1,391 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	good luck, neptune is by far one of the best programs using the stock honda ecu without getting into standalone ems

01-31-2008, 04:30 PM	#88
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	How did I post any BS? I posted facts. I asked you if you were an engineering student, you never responded. That changes everything Just repeat this to yourself 100 times "there is no longer such thing as original thought" PS. We seriously want you to take up the offer to do a cross country Dyno competition. between myself A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR and you with the Honda system. We will compare as listed above. The Stock Nissan IGN Honda Repl IGN This is an closed invite to you and your entire school of engineers. Just keep up the honor code! come on it will be fun. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

01-31-2008, 04:35 PM	#89
smokeybear Join Date: May 2005 Location: AR Posts: 16 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	honestly, i agree 100% with the guys who are supporting the haltech stuff. i personally think MS is a great system, opening the doors to people who want to learn to tune in a fairly easy manor. however i think you honda ecu/harness is literally pointless. if it wasn't for your buddy, the price of this "project" would be far more than buying a haltech or using your current MS setup. also, if you hate the CA, why swap it in?? i realize that hondata and the other honda programs may be great, but i really don't see any actual benefits to this. for the average joe to try this, it would be far too pricey for the returns you get (not sure what exactly the returns are, but im sure you see them) good luck and grats with your project, but i agree with 50% of these posts, its pointless.