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SoloSilvia · 03-18-2008, 11:20 PM

Car is a 92 240sx se. Just put a new battery in it and looked over all grounds and wires, and checked fuses. The starter I noticed had junkyard writing on it. I have another off a running KA Im going to swap tomorow to see if thats the case, but I dont think it is due to the way it turns over, but it may be...

Symptom, you turn the key and the engine turns over VERY SLOW! Like slower then any engine with a fully charged batery should crank. Not near fast enough to actualy kick over and start. I also noticed the power wire that bolts to the starter got extremely hot when trying to start the car. Car has power, is getting fuel, spark, but I realy beleive the issue is that it will not turn over very quick, maybe once outa 20 times it will give me false hope and sputter, then slow down to barely any crank!

I searched hi and low and couldnt find anything this specific to my problem. And I figured Id ask trusty Zilvia to see if anyone may have had this problem or can help before I start replacing everything under the hood!

Thanks in advance!
Brian

KiLLeR2001 · 03-18-2008, 11:27 PM

KA24DE? Did this just start happening? Did you swap this motor in?

turboboost12004 · 03-18-2008, 11:59 PM

your starter.......................................

SoloSilvia · 03-19-2008, 06:45 AM

car is auto ka24de....original motor, just died one day as the guy told me that I bought it off of.

Im going to swap starters here in the next few hours, will update asap!

Ive worked on a ton of 240's but never heard one crank this slow....

posdrift240 · 03-19-2008, 07:33 AM

Compression test?

clark · 03-19-2008, 07:43 AM

could be lack of oil at the crank/cams causing alot of stress...you check your oil?. i over tourqed cam towers too much once and experienced the same symptoms as you. but it didn't just happen out of nowhere, it was MY mistake.

SoloSilvia · 03-19-2008, 10:37 AM

OK, I replaced the starter... Same thing...

I cannot compression test it due to it cranking sooooo slow....

As far as I know, nothing internaly was messed with, but my next step will be pulling valve cover off and inspecting everything atop the head. ...

Any other thoughts?

Justinrl613 · 03-19-2008, 12:11 PM

Bump Bump Bump

azanprophet · 03-19-2008, 12:15 PM

What about the ignition. I had a similar problem not too long ago and I changed my ignition switch and it worked fine...until my starter died and I had to replace that too but I knew that was on the way out already.

KiLLeR2001 · 03-19-2008, 12:21 PM

Make sure the ignition wire is making a good connection on the starter. The black wire with yellow stripe, they always tend to not be on there tight enough. Ignition switch is another possibility...

posdrift240 · 03-19-2008, 12:50 PM

My guess is something in the rotating assembly is Screwed, Since the car just died on him before. The bearings in the motor is prob shot and your probably screwing the crank up every time you turn it over IF it is turning over that slow. If I was you, I would get a Flywheel tool and turn the motor over by hand as see how tight it is by hand vs by starter. If its really tight. Better start yanking the motor out.

Sir · 03-19-2008, 02:42 PM

push start it, see if it runs.

SoloSilvia · 03-19-2008, 02:54 PM

Its auto!
Ok, after tryin about everything, I think posdrift240 is right... I was hoping this whole time it would be a simple fix, but Im pretty sure something is screwed in the bottom end! Tryed cranking by hand, and I couldnt get the thing to move!
So off to source a new motor!
Thanks for all the input!

danman04x · 03-19-2008, 07:48 PM

hope everything goes well

turboboost12004 · 03-27-2008, 09:29 AM

it could not be a compression problem, if it was then the starter would just make the engine crank fast.....it is right u have an engine problem.....

03-18-2008, 11:20 PM	#1
SoloSilvia Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Philadelphia, OH Age: 43 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (36) Feedback Score: 36 reviews	Stumped...Car turns over very slow, and wont start Car is a 92 240sx se. Just put a new battery in it and looked over all grounds and wires, and checked fuses. The starter I noticed had junkyard writing on it. I have another off a running KA Im going to swap tomorow to see if thats the case, but I dont think it is due to the way it turns over, but it may be... Symptom, you turn the key and the engine turns over VERY SLOW! Like slower then any engine with a fully charged batery should crank. Not near fast enough to actualy kick over and start. I also noticed the power wire that bolts to the starter got extremely hot when trying to start the car. Car has power, is getting fuel, spark, but I realy beleive the issue is that it will not turn over very quick, maybe once outa 20 times it will give me false hope and sputter, then slow down to barely any crank! I searched hi and low and couldnt find anything this specific to my problem. And I figured Id ask trusty Zilvia to see if anyone may have had this problem or can help before I start replacing everything under the hood! Thanks in advance! Brian __________________

03-18-2008, 11:27 PM	#2
KiLLeR2001 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: オーランドフロリダ Posts: 7,955 Trader Rating: (46) Feedback Score: 46 reviews	KA24DE? Did this just start happening? Did you swap this motor in? __________________

03-18-2008, 11:59 PM	#3
turboboost12004 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: california Posts: 418 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	your starter....................................... __________________ Sieze the day or Die regreting the time you lost

03-19-2008, 06:45 AM	#4
SoloSilvia Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Philadelphia, OH Age: 43 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (36) Feedback Score: 36 reviews	car is auto ka24de....original motor, just died one day as the guy told me that I bought it off of. Im going to swap starters here in the next few hours, will update asap! Ive worked on a ton of 240's but never heard one crank this slow.... __________________

03-19-2008, 07:33 AM	#5
posdrift240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Rhea Posts: 207 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Compression test? __________________

03-19-2008, 07:43 AM	#6
clark Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: new york Posts: 1,035 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	could be lack of oil at the crank/cams causing alot of stress...you check your oil?. i over tourqed cam towers too much once and experienced the same symptoms as you. but it didn't just happen out of nowhere, it was MY mistake.

03-19-2008, 10:37 AM	#7
SoloSilvia Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Philadelphia, OH Age: 43 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (36) Feedback Score: 36 reviews	OK, I replaced the starter... Same thing... I cannot compression test it due to it cranking sooooo slow.... As far as I know, nothing internaly was messed with, but my next step will be pulling valve cover off and inspecting everything atop the head. ... Any other thoughts? __________________

03-19-2008, 12:11 PM	#8
Justinrl613 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Age: 34 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bump Bump Bump

03-19-2008, 12:15 PM	#9
azanprophet Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, TX Age: 44 Posts: 49 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What about the ignition. I had a similar problem not too long ago and I changed my ignition switch and it worked fine...until my starter died and I had to replace that too but I knew that was on the way out already.

03-19-2008, 12:21 PM	#10
KiLLeR2001 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: オーランドフロリダ Posts: 7,955 Trader Rating: (46) Feedback Score: 46 reviews	Make sure the ignition wire is making a good connection on the starter. The black wire with yellow stripe, they always tend to not be on there tight enough. Ignition switch is another possibility... __________________

03-19-2008, 12:50 PM	#11
posdrift240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Rhea Posts: 207 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My guess is something in the rotating assembly is Screwed, Since the car just died on him before. The bearings in the motor is prob shot and your probably screwing the crank up every time you turn it over IF it is turning over that slow. If I was you, I would get a Flywheel tool and turn the motor over by hand as see how tight it is by hand vs by starter. If its really tight. Better start yanking the motor out. __________________

03-19-2008, 02:54 PM	#13
SoloSilvia Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Philadelphia, OH Age: 43 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (36) Feedback Score: 36 reviews	Its auto! Ok, after tryin about everything, I think posdrift240 is right... I was hoping this whole time it would be a simple fix, but Im pretty sure something is screwed in the bottom end! Tryed cranking by hand, and I couldnt get the thing to move! So off to source a new motor! Thanks for all the input! __________________

03-19-2008, 07:48 PM	#14
danman04x Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 59 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	hope everything goes well

03-27-2008, 09:29 AM	#15
turboboost12004 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: california Posts: 418 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	it could not be a compression problem, if it was then the starter would just make the engine crank fast.....it is right u have an engine problem..... __________________ Sieze the day or Die regreting the time you lost