Lets Get Gas Prices Back! Help Us Out!

[Silverbullet]

Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

It's negative attitudes that contribute to the uber failure of these type of actions.

Why don't people get it? It is not in their control at all.

There are SO many different factors that affect the prices of gas that you and I don't even think about or even considered had a connection to gas prices.

For one, our economy plays the biggest factor in the gas prices. The US dollar has been getting weaker over the years, and in the past few months, it has been plummeting. So in our perspective, foreign currencies are soaring. Because other country's currencies are worth more, they are able to purchase more oil at the same dollar value (in the market, oil is valued in dollars). And they do just that.

Considering the FDIC is preparing for numerous bank closings in the next few years... i dont know what to say other than we are just hurting ourselves if we boycott any oil company. If you havn't noticed, almost all of them are pushing a ton of research into alternative energy sources in the past few years. Why? because we have to, and our race would be pretty fucked if we stick to oil.

Sure, i wish gas prices were a little less, but theres a bigger picture behind it all.

[ericcastro]

BTW, the sooner we make the transition to alternative energy vehicles. the longer we will be able to run our 240s So make the switch so that we can keep soon to be classic cars and grass roots motor sports alive for another 50 years

[luftrofl]

This is the worst idea I've heard in a long time.

GTFO and go back to facebook.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by glitched

this is useless. Two things that really point out how dumb this is.

1.) its not so much that oil prices are going up, bu its that the Dollar is going down.
2.) oil companies do not set the price of oil.

This is correct but not the complete picture.

Originally Posted by Silverbullet

Why don't people get it? It is not in their control at all.

There are SO many different factors that affect the prices of gas that you and I don't even think about or even considered had a connection to gas prices.

For one, our economy plays the biggest factor in the gas prices. The US dollar has been getting weaker over the years, and in the past few months, it has been plummeting. So in our perspective, foreign currencies are soaring. Because other country's currencies are worth more, they are able to purchase more oil at the same dollar value (in the market, oil is valued in dollars). And they do just that.

Considering the FDIC is preparing for numerous bank closings in the next few years... i dont know what to say other than we are just hurting ourselves if we boycott any oil company. If you havn't noticed, almost all of them are pushing a ton of research into alternative energy sources in the past few years. Why? because we have to, and our race would be pretty fucked if we stick to oil.

Sure, i wish gas prices were a little less, but theres a bigger picture behind it all.

This is incorrect, basically What is going on is this.... The U.S. dollar is weakening due to the recession and financial lending situation. In the process of this were people would normally invest in U.S. currency because its normally relatively strong they are investing in Oil. The price of Oil is high due to this and market speculation. The commodities market is a volatile business with a lot of speculators.
These guys literally rule the prices of Gas,Oil,Food, etc.. through speculative futures trading. Because of the weak dollar these guys are betting on oil, now when you take that combined with investors buying on the speculation of higher crude costs thats exactly what happens higher crude costs.
Now Bush in his infinite lack of wisdom has not helped this situation. Through the promotion of corn based ethanol which was endorsed and promoted by Bush and his adminstration. Who by the way was lobbied by the corn growing states farm coalitions lobbiests. We have a situation were the more corn is pushed to ethanol production and less to eating corn. Now add into that the farmers switching to growing ethanol producing corn and you have less foodstuffs. less Foodstuffs drives up the commodities prices of Foods in general. That fuels inflation, Infation is part of what fuels a weaker dollar. Add it all up in the mix it spells weak dollar and recession. Flight from investment in the dollar and into oil.
What could Bush do to temporarily possibly strengthen the dollar and drive oil prices down? Open up the strategic Oil reserve thereby creating a glut of oil on the spot market and pushing oil prices down. Oil prices drop, productivity increases dollar gets a little stronger. Will he do this? Most likely not. He has no interest. He is leaving office in a half year and he makes money off high oil prices himself. After all he is a Oil man.

[bigOdom1]

this message was actually sent out from a mobil/exxon chairman

[NismoB13]

America needs to stop buying their big cars such as hummers, huge SUV's, and people that don't use trucks for their intended purpose.

[steve shadows]

spraying silly string all over them would be more effective

or you could spray wet slow drying spray paint on all the pump handles late at night, the traffic in and out of the stations would slow

shrugs

there are lots of creative ideas to stage a strike

suicide is the best

[tsx1racer04]

I don't know if this may help our gas situation. But it seems that there's is a oil deposit somewhere in Canada. But the problem is that the oil/petrol we need from it is frozen into the sand. Currently it'll cost around ~$25-30 for each barrel to be processed, which is approximately what it cost to ship each barrel to the United States from Saudi Arabia. From a source that I have forgotten, I remember it says "Rivals that of Saudi Arabia". Im not sure if this is a reliable source http://www.rense.com/general37/petrol.htm, but seeing that it may not help us during this summer with all the fun trips we won't be making this year. Perhaps in the future gas prices will fall due to Canadian oil sands.

[Bushido]

how infantile it is to think that we can lower gas prices by not buying it a few days of the week or from a certain company...

in case you didn't know:
THE WORLD RUNS ON GAS

especially in this country we are addicted to gasoline, even our borderline retarded president has acknowledged this. Oil companies got us by the balls and there is nothing we can do about it, except for ride a bike, or drive an electric/veg oil/compressed air vehicle.

[inertiaticism]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

you realize this is a car forum, right? you're supposed to like driving cars, not riding the bus

hippie

Yeah, it would suck to save $300.00 a month that I could sink into my S14.
It also sucks sitting in a comfy bus, listening to an ipod, reading the newspaper, while all of the other stooges sit in bumper to bumper traffic and yell at each other while burning pricey gas and doing the kind of driving that is worst for your car.

Let me tell you, my love of driving and automobiles could not manifest itself in any better way than sitting in traffic like a retard wasting money that I could be spending on parts or track time, ruining the air so I can't even have a damned cookout in the summer without a gas mask on, and getting so mad I could shit anvils because everyone else on the road is a trainable retard.

Also, bullet trains are neat and I wish we had them here.

[morbid]

That's never going to work.. as soon as mobile prices go down, people are going to start buying it because its cheaper, and it will just go back up. That is a lot better then the dont buy gas for one day BS though.

[LA_phantom_240]

Originally Posted by Zilvia4eva

Gas averages $6-$9 a gallon in most other countries....its are turn to join the rest,get used to it guys.

We are still lucky to have gas prices as low as they are....and the funny part is that we have not even tapped into oil rich Alaska or Montana like we shood be...

No. Fuck that. Its not 'our turn' to pay out the ass for absofuckinglutely ridiculous gas. Wanna know why other countries pay so much? They don't have oil. They don't have resources. They don't have shit.

The reason we have cheaper oil prices is because we HAVE oil. We HAVE resources. Unfortunately our demand is greater than we can produce.

Also, its not that we don't have enough oil, but rather not enough refining capability. More and more refineries are getting shut down, and no new refineries being built because of stupid people and their 'not in my back yard' mentality. They want cheaper gas, but they don't want to be near the refineries and such. You can't just fucking poof gasoline out of thin fucking air.

[Ninjabread]

^^ haha agreed.

I ride public transport to school.

it's 1/2 the price of seasonal parking ticket, don't have to BUY GAS, and avoid traffic. just chill out and listen to some tunes.




But ya, having studied micro / macroeconomics, I can tell you that there are FAR MORE factors influencing gas prices than simply demand. This shit will never work.

[Psycho 240 Freak]

Don't you just love it how everyone loves to criticize like they know everything, yet they don't come up with solutions. Way to go for bending over and taking it up the @ss!

[BlackTopBomber]

i have a better idea. you want gas prices to come down, and your planing to not buy from the two biggest oil suppliers in the world for said amount of time. it will never work. those 2 supply to probally half the gas stations and companies in the US. if you really want to make a difference, and this takes a lot of people as a whole to pull off. what needs to happen is get the major trucking firms to go on strike for 1 week, 1 week only. now if i understand things correctly, most of the truck drivers in the US are part of the teamsters union. if you can get all of them to go on strike as a whole, you have something. from what i have heard there have been several small trucking firms that have gone on strike recently.

the kicker here is, if the 3 largest trucking firms go on strike here, it will cause a massive loss for the US economy as a whole. and we all know if things can't get where they are going, nothing sells. a one week strike by the 3 largest trucking firms will damn near bankrupt the us economy. and if shell, exxon, and what ever the other leaders are, if they can't get there product to market they loose more than we can probally count. now i'm not going to give a bunch of numbers and statistics as to what kind of damage this will or can cause to there pocket books, but it would be huge! think of it like this. count how many 18 wheelers you see on the freeway every day, think of how many there are through out the US. now, think of how much fuel they hold. average truck to my understanding takes around $1100.00 to fill up once, and gets them around 800-1000 miles. if you have trucks that are driving 2000 miles a week, thats costing the company a lot of money, especially when they have a fleet of 50+ trucks.

now the greatest part about this is it does not even have to happen. all that has to be done, is to instill the idea into the people who run the unions. and get it to be taken seriously. just the words of a strike on that scale will cause the ones in charge to think about what is going on, and if they can risk letting it happen. now it would never happen without numbers. people have the power here, its our doing that gas prices are this high, its our doing that we have let the people in charge run rampant for the last few years. but we do have the power to change things, all we have to do is get the ball rolling, and things will carry themselves!

[LA_phantom_240]

Originally Posted by Psycho 240 Freak

Don't you just love it how everyone loves to criticize like they know everything, yet they don't come up with solutions. Way to go for bending over and taking it up the @ss!

The way I see it, there isn't much I can do at the moment. I don't have any kind of connections, money to invest, nukes....


Nukes would be nice.

[drift-it]

In order to do something we need a lot of people to boycott the gas stations until we get down to a reasonable price like under 2 dollars. Not for a day for like 2 weeks or a month of everyone using bikes, walking, public transportation. And let it be known, maybe contact news stations or something. It can't be a cute chain letter to post on myspace for a day because then most of those people that don't buy gas for that day will buy gas the next day.

[Matej]

This boycott was probably made up by the competing oil companies haha.

Anyway, I find it ridiculous that while the rest of the world has been paying 6$ a gallon for the past 10 years, Americans are able to drive SUV's to work.
This artificial economy is what's responsible for the upcoming recession, instead of being competitive with the rest of the world, America's economy has been in its own bubble, and now the bubble is about to pop because it can't stay around forever.
One of the main flaws is that over here anyone is able to take out a loan for anything. I'm not talking just individuals, everyone does it, big businesses, organizations, the government, debt runs deep. While it's a great thing for us as individuals to be able to buy things on loan, it's really bad for the economy. Now there's billions of dollars floating around that no one will ever see because the money doesn't exist.

Gas will only go up until it levels off at about what other countries are paying, and there's nothing we can do about it, except being smart with our money.

[babowc]

Chain mails like this..
ugh.

you fail.

Like many others said, as yourself, those two are main gas companies. They feed gas to every other gas stations around the nation. You think by boycotting THEIR gas stations, they'll reduce the prices?

THINK AGAIN!!!

[scooz14]

exxon and mobil are the same company

http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/



nice chain email

[ayuaddict]

just choose a race. preferably a race that is easily distinguishable from others and of which the majority drives a car.

Japanese Americans.

perfect.

genocide.

kill me = less demand.

[Gnnr]

From what I learned in Microeconomics.

Gas has inelastic demand. It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not, the price will stay the same. The demand does not affect its selling price.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand

Good luck though.

[JVDSKYRINE]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

From what I learned in Microeconomics.

Gas has inelastic demand. It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not, the price will stay the same. The demand does not affect its selling price.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand

Good luck though.

True that! makes the most sense yet! and this is a rediculous idea cuz you don't buy gas for one day but you still go back the next day and more people buy gas?? hmmmm soo same amount of gas is sold but just on different days?

[Tops*]

LISTEN!

Cut out a hole in your floorboard (now if your car already has a diamond plate floorboard like the Eclipse from F&F, you're already set), park your car over a reservoir, and siphon gas.

HA.

[SR20d2fourT]

Never do buy from them. yay.


Plus, I'm riding my ZX6R nonstop Fuck filling up in the fowty.

[landins13]

I cant run on anything but c16 so this makes no difference,

[Grenade180sx]

heres the currert prices from around the globe.


NationCityPrice in USD Regular/Gallon
The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline.

In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens,


Netherlands Amsterdam-$6.48

Norway Oslo-$6.27

United Kingdom London $5.79

Croatia Zagreb $4.81

Ireland Dublin $4.78

Switzerland Geneva $4.74

Spain Madrid $4.55

Japan Tokyo $4.24

CzechRepublic Prague $4.19

EstoniaTallinn$3.62

BulgariaSofia$3.52

BrazilBrasilia$3.12

CubaHavana$3.03

TaiwanTaipei$2.84

LebanonBeirut$2.63

South AfricaJohannesburg$2.62

NicaraguaManagua$2.61

PanamaPanama City$2.19

RussiaMoscow$2.10

Puerto RicoSan Juan$1.74

Saudi ArabiaRiyadh$0.91

KuwaitKuwait City$0.78

EgyptCairo$0.65

NigeriaLagos$0.38

VenezuelaCaracas$0.12


EXXON MOBILE IS GOVERNMENT OWNED, Therefore they charge what they want to a consumer, i mean really get real here kids, these are tycoons they own most of the kwiki marts and up to the full on mobile stations.

the problem with rising gas is WE NEED HIGHER LIVING PAY.

min wage in UK is i believe somewhere around 10-15 dollars.( feel free to correct my mistakes)

oil companies cant stop and wont. its a business folks.

[genericforumname]

theoretically this could work but seeing as how most of America is too damn stupid to buy anything but huge ass SUV's that cant do anything but destroy smaller cars in a basic fender bender, I don't think you could coordinate that many people on this high a level. I don't even think most people know what company they get their gas from I think a more productive use of your money would be to just buy an electric car.

oh, and by the way buying a hybrid to save money is a dumb idea, with the increased sticker price you would have to have the car for almost 12 years on some models before you would see the "savings" , the only vehicle that might save you money on gas is either a scooter or a motorcycle.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by genericforumname

theoretically this could work

No it can not. I already explained how the theory is economically flawed.

[ichibans13]

You know why this wont work? Because the price of oil is based on the stability of the OPEC Nations. Everyday oil companies believe that it is the last day they will be able to sell oil, therefore the price goes up. If tomorrow, no more oil is produced because that nation goes under, they want to make their money today. Point blank. The OPEC Nations are a volatile area, who knows when the oil will stop. People are greedy, and want their money now. We continue to buy gas at these ridiculous prices, and even if tomorrow everything was normal over there, the price wouldnt drop, because they're selling oil at $113 a barrel right now. Why drop prices if the US market is paying so much?