Harness Bar is it really worth it?

[CBAL]

This is why we don't use harness bars - Honda-Tech
discuss

[badicalradical]

Id like to see how bad the car is

[ROOSEY]

buy a cage dont cheap out on a harness bar theyre sketchy.

[Martino]

I lol when I see people running those.

[lflkajfj12123]

roll cage for looks is fine on the streets but i would NEVER install a harness for a street car let alone use a harness bar

this is what happens!

[slow40sx]

yeah, I welded in 8th inch base plates and bolted my cusco to the plates and got an NRG 4 point harness bar and every time i drive around i'm so nervous the car could just burst into flames any second

[hOngsterr]

theres a member that uses the DC sport strutbar ias a harness bar.

http://projectautox.com/drift_build/...alled_rear.jpg

[Perfect Balance]

They're doing it wrong. If you are using harnesses, but not running a cage on a Honda Civic/Integra/RSX, the proper way to do it is run a harness bar, but don't attach the harnesses to it. Simply run the harnesses over the bar so that the angle at which it enters the seat is correct (no spinal compression if the seat breaks), but attach them to the rear seat belt buckle mounting locations, since they're reinforced.

[gearhead55]

Originally Posted by Perfect Balance

They're doing it wrong. If you are using harnesses, but not running a cage on a Honda Civic/Integra/RSX, the proper way to do it is run a harness bar, but don't attach the harnesses to it. Simply run the harnesses over the bar so that the angle at which it enters the seat is correct (no spinal compression if the seat breaks), but attach them to the rear seat belt buckle mounting locations, since they're reinforced.

ahhhhh that makes a lot of sense...

[JuMPiiN]

Crappy reclinable seats don't help either.

[slow40sx]

If you don't have a fixed bucket and you don't track your car you shouldn't have harnesses anyway

i always wanted to be folded in half, jason vorhees style

[SlideWell]

looks like a shitty harness bar. i dont understand why there are joints atthe b-pillar. a harness bar needs to be one bar across, bolted or welded to the factory seatbelt hole location. i had a harness bar in my s14 Kouki custom made by Position 1 Motorsports. i hit a jersey barrier doing 80. you know what happened to the bar, NOTHING. i lived, stayed in the car, and sold the harness bar for $250 to a friend.

[Brian]

I always thought harness bars were one of the worst looking mods done to cars. They just look terrible.

[NatAsRex7]

it somewhat helps stiffens the car -__-

[Irresistible]

I just find it funny when people street their cars and replace the stock seat belts completely with harnesses... If I were to get a harness, it'll be when I get a rollcage, and I'll keep my stock seat belts for when I drive on the street. It's much safer that way.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by Irresistible

I just find it funny when people street their cars and replace the stock seat belts completely with harnesses... If I were to get a harness, it'll be when I get a rollcage, and I'll keep my stock seat belts for when I drive on the street. It's much safer that way.

That's what I do. Granted I put 6000ish miles on the car a year and that's it, but I always wear the stock seatbelts on the street.

In fact, I've since taken the bucket out for street driving, and just simply swap the GTR one into it when not going to a track event.

[tims05]

Think theres more to that story then whats in the picture. If both people were wearing the harnesses there would be no way to bend a bar like that in the middle and bend it that much. Side impact maybe or if someone was in the back seat or if it was made outta exhuast tubing lol

[lame_s13]

Legitimate question; My stock 13 seat broke yesterday, and my plan was to buy a fixed back bucket, keep my stock belts for daily and pick up a harness and bar to use on track days, but I don't really know much about harness bars. After seeing this, are they just bad news? I don't really want to daily a car with a cage but is that my only safe option to run a harness?

[codyace]

Originally Posted by tims05

Think theres more to that story then whats in the picture. If both people were wearing the harnesses there would be no way to bend a bar like that in the middle and bend it that much. Side impact maybe or if someone was in the back seat or if it was made outta exhuast tubing lol

Or the fact that they are shit, made out of garbage material, and really only for those guys who want to hardpark at the local Wegmans on Friday night.

Originally Posted by lame_s13

Legitimate question; My stock 13 seat broke yesterday, and my plan was to buy a fixed back bucket, keep my stock belts for daily and pick up a harness and bar to use on track days, but I don't really know much about harness bars. After seeing this, are they just bad news? I don't really want to daily a car with a cage but is that my only safe option to run a harness?

If you 'require' a harness, get a rollbar. If you can't live with a rollbar, then you don't need a harness.

[Freddy]

guarantee you this person didnt wrap his harness properly.

[codyace]

Doesn't matter if it was wrapped incorrectly, or correctly, the bars are still shit.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

werd. if you don't wrap your belts correctly, they come off. they don't bend your bar in half.


anywho, an autopower roll bar is like, $300? what's a harness bar cost? $150? just suck up the cost.

[Pure_JDM]

Originally Posted by codyace

Doesn't matter if it was wrapped incorrectly, or correctly, the bars are still shit.

Agreed... it was due to the harness bar being weak and used in correctly. The harnesses shouldn't be wrapped around that bar period. They should drop to the floor or another STRONG mounting point in the back. The whole point of that bar (already stated) is to correct the angle, NOT to mount the harnesses directly to it.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by Taniguchi_Is_#1

werd. if you don't wrap your belts correctly, they come off. they don't bend your bar in half.


anywho, an autopower roll bar is like, $300? what's a harness bar cost? $150? just suck up the cost.

I think they are 400-450 shipped...and on top of that they are legal, and fit well. Can't ask for much more. I've had one now for quite some time...works great, fit well.

[Freddy]

I do agree on the harness bar part but wouldn't the lap belts kept him in ?

[codyace]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I do agree on the harness bar part but wouldn't the lap belts kept him in ?

On a 4 point, you slide right under neath them most of the time (submarining). A 5 point will help keep that from happening as it has that 5th lower connection between your legs. However the bar would have still collapsed, and they would have bene injured.

[MidwestMyriad]

Not justifying that bar in any sense, BUT it is some Ebay cheapo one....the real Sparco one has solid welds for the mounts, not pivots. Looks bad either way, but probably a lesser quality tubing used, and poor execution in design. Cage is the only way. Why be cheap, it's your life.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Now I gotta go double check the wraps on my harness when i have a minute.

Originally Posted by tims05

Think theres more to that story then whats in the picture

I agree.
Like how fast where they going and what did they hit?
(honda, street racing, was my first thought, and so at 80 plus mph, that not to bad, lol)

I wanna know why the passenger was ejected? Those 4/5 points arnt gonna do you a lot of good if they are worn slacked. And when your body slams against the harnesses that were slacked, its gonna pull on the seats, mounting points, and harness bar a lot harder then if everything was snugged and your body wasnt allowed to go into motion.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by MidwestMyriad

Not justifying that bar in any sense, BUT it is some Ebay cheapo one....the real Sparco one has solid welds for the mounts, not pivots. Looks bad either way, but probably a lesser quality tubing used, and poor execution in design. Cage is the only way. Why be cheap, it's your life.

I don't htink it would have mattered what brand it was, pivot or no pivot Even if they are welded solid, a quality bolt won't shear like that either.

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Now I gotta go double check the wraps on my harness when i have a minute.

THat's a very good video...you'd be surprised how many people at track days have their stuff wrapped wrong...it's just crazy. They also have a nice guide on their website as well that we hand out.

Originally Posted by ericcastro

I wanna know why the passenger was ejected? Those 4/5 points arnt gonna do you a lot of good if they are worn slacked. And when your body slams against the harnesses that were slacked, its gonna pull on the seats, mounting points, and harness bar a lot harder then if everything was snugged and your body wasnt allowed to go into motion.

While there has got to bemore, in the same respect, a violent crash on track wouldn't be any worse (figure speeds are usually 100+ mph too)...I think harness bar, plus lack of improper securing into the car didn't help either. I mean who honestly is going to strap in 10/10th's when street driving? Probably nobody. I know that even I couldn't stand wearing a harness properly on street, as you can't see 100% like you need too on the street.