Scion FR-S Debut in New York

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Wow you so missed the gist of my point. It has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about Scion badging pertaining to my likes. I do not have a problem driving a Scion badged car and you assumed an awful lot out of my statement that was not there.

My point of the should have badged it Toyota, is Toyota wants to get away from their stodgy 50-60 year old driver image that they have. They have stated this publicly on a few occasions in the last year.

If they Badge the car as a Scion it does not do that.

Why? Because unlike the enthusiast (or people on this forum) who knows what is going on, the average buying public is clueless.
They see Scion they think Scion. They do not thing Toyota.

Oh and for your thinking Scion brand promotes creativity? Congratulations you just got suckered into their marketing. That is exactly what they want you to think, so you will buy the brand. Congrats you have been sold and sold hard. LOL

In case you did not know Scion was originally Daihatsu in Japan and Toyota bought them and started re marketing them as Scion. Scion is actually not nearly at the level of build quality as the regular Toyota line. IMHO

Hats off to Toyota for successfully selling Americans on Scion being cool and original when actually it was standard and a copy of other manufacturers in Japan. LOL

I don't see how they don't promote creativity? They have contests for who can create the most unique car, organize plenty of events, and are usually at just about anything automotive related. Being the wide selections of aftermarket parts you can buy through the dealers? And maintain your warranty I'd say the promote creativity. Would I buy a Scion? No, because they don't appeal to me but I can understand who they are marketing their cars towards. If Toyota were really worried about their image as a producer of sporty automobiles here in America, wouldn't they have branded the LF-A as a Toyota? The IS series as the Toyota Altezza? Sold hard? I mention one thing about them being "mod friendly" and I've been sold hard apparently, all I'm saying is Scion is their brand that they are using to try to appeal to younger buyers, and participating in motorsports and events to broaden their spectrum. It's obvious that Scion sales are dwindling and they need something to save their new brand, so it is only logical they would try to use the FR-S to help boost sales.

[1 88 U]

http://i.imgur.com/MM03M.jpg

How could you hate that? I don't care if it is badged a scion.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

http://i.imgur.com/MM03M.jpg

How could you hate that? I don't care if it is badged a scion.

Yes, that color please. But pearl.

I just love this car.

[dudermagee]

I can see myself owning one in the near future...

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

http://i.imgur.com/MM03M.jpg

How could you hate that? I don't care if it is badged a scion.

Do I see a hint of LF-A in there?

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Do I see a hint of LF-A in there?

That thing looks amazing

[exitspeed]

LFA without any of the ugliness and lines that go no where.

[BOROSUN]

the scion sc is also a hatch

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

I don't see how they don't promote creativity? They have contests for who can create the most unique car, organize plenty of events, and are usually at just about anything automotive related. Being the wide selections of aftermarket parts you can buy through the dealers? And maintain your warranty I'd say the promote creativity. Would I buy a Scion? No, because they don't appeal to me but I can understand who they are marketing their cars towards. If Toyota were really worried about their image as a producer of sporty automobiles here in America, wouldn't they have branded the LF-A as a Toyota? The IS series as the Toyota Altezza? Sold hard? I mention one thing about them being "mod friendly" and I've been sold hard apparently, all I'm saying is Scion is their brand that they are using to try to appeal to younger buyers, and participating in motorsports and events to broaden their spectrum. It's obvious that Scion sales are dwindling and they need something to save their new brand, so it is only logical they would try to use the FR-S to help boost sales.

There is nothing creative about selling overpriced cosmetic/boutique mods.
Yeah, Scion might offer superchargers/etc mods for their cars, but Toyota has been doing the same forever, offering TRD superchargers for the cars & trucks, nothing new here.
Creative in their resourcefulness maybe,
in that they are copying what the aftermarket has done and try to capitalize off that.

It is doubtful that warranty would carry over from parts bought outside the dealer.
And even then, it would just be that the company is just lax, if not reckless.

Yeah, Toyota is TRYING to appease to a certain demographic.
It probably isn't working so well b/c most of the HIN crowd wouldn't be able to afford,
or have the credit to obtain a brand new car anyways.

Toyota should just cut their losses & let Scion die.
Focus their resources on developing sporty cars (like what they have here) instead of crass marketing.
Personally I don't care what brand the car is released as.
I just can't bring myself to agree with it as a business decision.
If Scion is going to flop anyways, i doubt it'll be enough to save the company.

[R33E8]

The boxer engine seriously killed all interest in this car for me.. If It came with a turbo i4 or i6 I would be one of the first to pick one up.. I can't stand 4 cylinder boxer engines..

I don't care about the brand.. I care about the performance and potential..

[revcyanide]

Originally Posted by R33E8

The boxer engine seriously killed all interest in this car for me.. If It came with a turbo i4 or i6 I would be one of the first to pick one up.. I can't stand 4 cylinder boxer engines..

I don't care about the brand.. I care about the performance and potential..

lol what?



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[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by R33E8

The boxer engine seriously killed all interest in this car for me.. If It came with a turbo i4 or i6 I would be one of the first to pick one up.. I can't stand 4 cylinder boxer engines..

I don't care about the brand.. I care about the performance and potential..

Lol because there has never been a performance boxer engine ever

[revcyanide]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Lol because there has never been a performance boxer engine ever

right!?

theres never been one thats won multiple WRC, NEVER

[1 88 U]

Toyota FT-86 II concept. A compact, rear-wheel drive sports vehicle

On the right side of the page they have audio clips of the start up, engine and exhaust sounds.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Toyota FT-86 II concept. A compact, rear-wheel drive sports vehicle

On the right side of the page they have audio clips of the start up, engine and exhaust sounds.

Ohhhh, that was nice.

If we had rep still you'd be getting a whole pile.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

There is nothing creative about selling overpriced cosmetic/boutique mods.
Yeah, Scion might offer superchargers/etc mods for their cars, but Toyota has been doing the same forever, offering TRD superchargers for the cars & trucks, nothing new here.
Creative in their resourcefulness maybe,
in that they are copying what the aftermarket has done and try to capitalize off that.

It is doubtful that warranty would carry over from parts bought outside the dealer.
And even then, it would just be that the company is just lax, if not reckless.

Yeah, Toyota is TRYING to appease to a certain demographic.
It probably isn't working so well b/c most of the HIN crowd wouldn't be able to afford,
or have the credit to obtain a brand new car anyways.

Toyota should just cut their losses & let Scion die.
Focus their resources on developing sporty cars (like what they have here) instead of crass marketing.
Personally I don't care what brand the car is released as.
I just can't bring myself to agree with it as a business decision.
If Scion is going to flop anyways, i doubt it'll be enough to save the company.

You know whats more dissapointing than Toyota NA's marketing decision to release this as a scion? Nissan not releasing a comparable car.

[4DOOR_LIFE]

Originally Posted by SaNTi

Call me Ignant, but any word on what type of Transmission these will have? True manual transmissions or what?

6-speed manual and a 6 speed automatic w/ paddle shifters.


its crazy how big wheels look so good on such a small size car.

20x8 and 20x10. looks goooood.

[BOROSUN]

wasn't he listening? on vid the guy mention of the benefits of the w/d of the boxer motor being so low gravity and short.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yes, that color please. But pearl.

I just love this car.

Different angle.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1303837554

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by BOROSUN

wasn't he listening? on vid the guy mention of the benefits of the w/d of the boxer motor being so low gravity and short.

He was not listening.