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running_sideways · 03-31-2016, 03:13 PM

Alright so I've been ordering parts like a mad man. Got up to the plate with the head gasket was going to hit a homer and get a apexi 86mm x 1.1mm...wrong so far I've struck out everywhere I've went to order one from. There's also no ETA on when there will be more in stock. So my question is who the hell else has basically a stock apexi gasket still in stock! Don't wanna mess with any of my compression ratios and don't want a pos gasket that will go out on me in 6 months to a year.

Thanks everyone for your comments and advice once again!

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jlmillionaire · 03-31-2016, 04:04 PM

Je pro seal for the win!!!

running_sideways · 03-31-2016, 04:13 PM

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Je pro seal for the win!!!

You have a p/n and maybe a review?

jlmillionaire · 03-31-2016, 04:18 PM

Honestly I didn't use one but I heard great things about them , I'm going to use one in my Sti and one in my Sr

running_sideways · 03-31-2016, 04:19 PM

I'll have to do some digging and see what the survey says thanks much for your suggestion!

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***dorkidori_s13*** · 03-31-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by running_sideways

Alright so I've been ordering parts like a mad man. Got up to the plate with the head gasket was going to hit a homer and get a apexi 86mm x 1.1mm...wrong so far I've struck out everywhere I've went to order one from. There's also no ETA on when there will be more in stock. So my question is who the hell else has basically a stock apexi gasket still in stock! Don't wanna mess with any of my compression ratios and don't want a pos gasket that will go out on me in 6 months to a year.

Thanks everyone for your comments and advice once again!

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HKS? Greddy/Trust? Cometic? Tomei? Cosworth?

Ever think of trying any of those?

running_sideways · 03-31-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

HKS? Greddy/Trust? Cometic? Tomei? Cosworth?

Ever think of trying any of those?

For some reason I can not find 86mm x 1.1mm and no offense but I've heard cometic is not so reliable...my second choice was cosworth but they only if I recall is 87mm X 1.7mm

Tom N · 04-01-2016, 09:11 PM

Took me 47 seconds to come up with this http://www.frsport.com/Cosworth-2000...ck_p_8905.html

http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-1331870...mm_p_1946.html

derass · 04-01-2016, 09:38 PM

I'd go with Tomei for the value.

running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 09:40 PM

Okay am I high or is a 86mm x 1.1 a stock gasket...that's more my dilemma

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Tom N · 04-01-2016, 10:40 PM

A stock gastet to my understanding is 1.1mm thick. Stock bore is 86mm. So a 87x1.1 is fine. Now if you have surfaced the head and/or block you might want a slightly thicker gasket to counter your now shorter deck night and as to not throw off your mechanical timing components.

running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 10:42 PM

I understand a 1mm fuck up the lip of the head and the block...I may be stupid but it doesn't seem correct...my ocd really pisses me off but I like to be to the gnats ass when building shit

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running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 10:44 PM

Sorry...few Jim beams wouldn't 1mm fuck up the edges of the block and head

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Tom N · 04-01-2016, 10:44 PM

I don't understand what you are saying?

Tom N · 04-01-2016, 10:45 PM

Are you asking if it's ok to use a 87mm gasket on a 86mm bore?

running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 10:46 PM

Yes in a nut shell...

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running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 10:46 PM

I ant got a good brain...

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Tom N · 04-01-2016, 10:48 PM

I see that...

running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 10:49 PM

Glad you can agree

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running_sideways · 04-01-2016, 10:56 PM

Sorry man. I've always gone by spec for everything I've ever worked on and I don't have a service manual for this engine that will show me what something is down to the thousands so if it's not correct I get worried and I ask to many questions...Sooo if the engine bore is a 86mm i should need a 86mm bore gasket if I didn't deck the head or block then "stock" gasket should be a 1.1mm well apexi has a 86mm X 1.1 mm gasket but it's not in stock or has an eta on when it will be

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Tom N · 04-01-2016, 11:12 PM

Most oem head gaskets run 1mm bigger than the factory bore. Using a 87mm gasket on a 86mm bore is fine and completely normal. It's only .5mm larger on each side of the bore. You just don't want one smaller then the bore.

Kingtal0n · 04-02-2016, 01:18 PM

I've never even seen an 86mm HG. IS it a myth? If you did order one, what if they sent you 85.97mm by manufacturing flaw? How long do you think the .03mm overhang will last in there? And do you think it will stop there at .03 burning off? Probably a little more will burn off than that, leaving you with 86.01+mm of headgasket anyways.

Better just to use no gasket at all. Seal it with duct tape and permatex. Or the zilvia special, weld that shit. Everybody here loves to weld their shit together. "gaskets are for chumps" they said. its just cause "they don't make a zip tie big enough for that"

running_sideways · 04-02-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingtal0n

I've never even seen an 86mm HG. IS it a myth? If you did order one, what if they sent you 85.97mm by manufacturing flaw? How long do you think the .03mm overhang will last in there? And do you think it will stop there at .03 burning off? Probably a little more will burn off than that, leaving you with 86.01+mm of headgasket anyways.

Better just to use no gasket at all. Seal it with duct tape and permatex. Or the zilvia special, weld that shit. Everybody here loves to weld their shit together. "gaskets are for chumps" they said.

Serious as a heart attack man, apexi websites got them but not in stock. So when I go to order somethings for a std 86mm bore I figured hey what the hell 86mm must be correct but only stock is 87mm. Thickness I understand perfect as far as not getting the same size gasket as bore diameter just seemed fishy.

I'm thinking jb weld and fucking rtv mixture will be prime for race wars...

Tom N · 04-02-2016, 01:37 PM

Seriously, if you don't understand why a 87mm gasket is good to go on your stock bore then please put the tools down for now...

I would just use a cardboard cutout of exactly 86mm ( good luck ) and slap some hylomar on it. You'll be all set...

running_sideways · 04-02-2016, 01:39 PM

No dick I understand as long as it's not undersized it's fine I'll order a 76 and call it A day be good for life!

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Tom N · 04-02-2016, 01:40 PM

Use one of the ones I gave you a link to or order a apexi 8711 head gasket. Or 8708 if you want a little extra compression. and be done with it.

running_sideways · 04-02-2016, 01:41 PM

Gotcha

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Javi802 · 04-03-2016, 08:34 AM

Also, wouldnt that 87mm gasket bore become smaller after being compressed with 80 foot pounds of torque? Bringing it closer to the bore size of the cylinders themselves?

pacotaco345 · 04-04-2016, 11:41 AM

Holy shit you guys are overthinking this. Just buy a tomei 1.2mm thick, 87mm bore gasket. Its a piece of metal that goes between two other pieces of metal, not rocket science.

*brndck* · 04-04-2016, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pacotaco345

Holy shit you guys are overthinking this. Just buy a tomei 1.2mm thick, 87mm bore gasket. Its a piece of metal that goes between two other pieces of metal, not rocket science.

THIS. Meanwhile, can we reinvent the wheel?

03-31-2016, 03:13 PM	#1
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Head gasket from apexi out of stock Alright so I've been ordering parts like a mad man. Got up to the plate with the head gasket was going to hit a homer and get a apexi 86mm x 1.1mm...wrong so far I've struck out everywhere I've went to order one from. There's also no ETA on when there will be more in stock. So my question is who the hell else has basically a stock apexi gasket still in stock! Don't wanna mess with any of my compression ratios and don't want a pos gasket that will go out on me in 6 months to a year. Thanks everyone for your comments and advice once again! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 09:11 PM	#8
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Took me 47 seconds to come up with this http://www.frsport.com/Cosworth-2000...ck_p_8905.html http://www.frsport.com/Tomei-1331870...mm_p_1946.html __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-01-2016, 10:40 PM	#11
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	A stock gastet to my understanding is 1.1mm thick. Stock bore is 86mm. So a 87x1.1 is fine. Now if you have surfaced the head and/or block you might want a slightly thicker gasket to counter your now shorter deck night and as to not throw off your mechanical timing components. __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-01-2016, 10:44 PM	#14
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I don't understand what you are saying? __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-01-2016, 10:45 PM	#15
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Are you asking if it's ok to use a 87mm gasket on a 86mm bore? __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

03-31-2016, 04:04 PM	#2
jlmillionaire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: mastic ny Age: 42 Posts: 913 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Je pro seal for the win!!!

03-31-2016, 04:18 PM	#4
jlmillionaire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: mastic ny Age: 42 Posts: 913 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Honestly I didn't use one but I heard great things about them , I'm going to use one in my Sti and one in my Sr

03-31-2016, 04:19 PM	#5
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll have to do some digging and see what the survey says thanks much for your suggestion! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 09:38 PM	#9
derass Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, ON Age: 37 Posts: 1,182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd go with Tomei for the value.

04-01-2016, 09:40 PM	#10
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Okay am I high or is a 86mm x 1.1 a stock gasket...that's more my dilemma Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 10:42 PM	#12
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I understand a 1mm fuck up the lip of the head and the block...I may be stupid but it doesn't seem correct...my ocd really pisses me off but I like to be to the gnats ass when building shit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 10:46 PM	#16
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes in a nut shell... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 10:48 PM	#18
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I see that... __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-01-2016, 10:49 PM	#19
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Glad you can agree Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 10:56 PM	#20
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry man. I've always gone by spec for everything I've ever worked on and I don't have a service manual for this engine that will show me what something is down to the thousands so if it's not correct I get worried and I ask to many questions...Sooo if the engine bore is a 86mm i should need a 86mm bore gasket if I didn't deck the head or block then "stock" gasket should be a 1.1mm well apexi has a 86mm X 1.1 mm gasket but it's not in stock or has an eta on when it will be Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2016, 11:12 PM	#21
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Most oem head gaskets run 1mm bigger than the factory bore. Using a 87mm gasket on a 86mm bore is fine and completely normal. It's only .5mm larger on each side of the bore. You just don't want one smaller then the bore. __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-02-2016, 01:18 PM	#22
Kingtal0n Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Florida Age: 42 Posts: 4,829 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	I've never even seen an 86mm HG. IS it a myth? If you did order one, what if they sent you 85.97mm by manufacturing flaw? How long do you think the .03mm overhang will last in there? And do you think it will stop there at .03 burning off? Probably a little more will burn off than that, leaving you with 86.01+mm of headgasket anyways. Better just to use no gasket at all. Seal it with duct tape and permatex. Or the zilvia special, weld that shit. Everybody here loves to weld their shit together. "gaskets are for chumps" they said. its just cause "they don't make a zip tie big enough for that"

04-02-2016, 01:37 PM	#24
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Seriously, if you don't understand why a 87mm gasket is good to go on your stock bore then please put the tools down for now... I would just use a cardboard cutout of exactly 86mm ( good luck ) and slap some hylomar on it. You'll be all set... __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-02-2016, 01:39 PM	#25
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No dick I understand as long as it's not undersized it's fine I'll order a 76 and call it A day be good for life! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-02-2016, 01:40 PM	#26
Tom N Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SW Florida Posts: 746 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Use one of the ones I gave you a link to or order a apexi 8711 head gasket. Or 8708 if you want a little extra compression. and be done with it. __________________ 98 240sx w/ S15 SR20DET, T2 20g, 11.22 @ 124.98

04-02-2016, 01:41 PM	#27
running_sideways Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: illinois Age: 35 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Gotcha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-03-2016, 08:34 AM	#28
Javi802 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oklahoma Age: 33 Posts: 472 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Also, wouldnt that 87mm gasket bore become smaller after being compressed with 80 foot pounds of torque? Bringing it closer to the bore size of the cylinders themselves?

04-04-2016, 11:41 AM	#29
pacotaco345 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SoCal/Ft Worth TX Age: 31 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Holy shit you guys are overthinking this. Just buy a tomei 1.2mm thick, 87mm bore gasket. Its a piece of metal that goes between two other pieces of metal, not rocket science. __________________