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[conrad_s13.5]

^ fuckin werd
sunny / lexani / wanli are all cheap awesome tires to burn!

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

[LIKE]
haha. two years of driving a bone stock KA...there's only so much you can get out of it. buuuut....this car is coming back bigger and better than the last. lol
I did keep the gramlights.




well, the KA was always fun with the right setup. You could always step on the gas, and it will spin tires. No top end at all. But because I wanted to look cool and drive hard, 18's aren't practical on 140whp. KA's are perfect with a 16 inch rim and 205 50's. Sr's can spin anything depending on boost.

I've always wanted a coupe with a kouki s14 front end on it. I finally found a good deal, sold the zenki, and picked up a sr'd coupe. Sr's are really fun if you drive them hard. People complain about boost on these motors, but I find the challenge a lot more fun since I'm not in FD competing with 900hp NA motors. You just need to learn to compensate.

NA= Reaction
BOOSTED= Anticipation

Bee I just did the same thing but I went from a KA to a build sr. I just got to drift my old zenki again God I miss the lower end response.

[95KA-Turbo]

Originally Posted by MrChow

Bee I just did the same thing but I went from a KA to a build sr. I just got to drift my old zenki again God I miss the lower end response.

Yep, that's why I prefer KA-Turbo over SR...and the reason I went with a LS1 swap over building the SR I already had.


Thanks for the tire suggestions....but as far as I could find Sunny/Lexani/Wanli don't make 255/40/17s, they all go up to like a 235/50/17 which is retarded. Federal seems to be my cheapest bet, I guess I'll have to see how fast they burn up.

[WYT R1CE]

What feds are you running? Im not really a fan of these Sumitomo so far, I have 4.5 more to burn up.

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by One_love_silvia

thanks all for the advice. the online problem is: im running -3 in the rear because i have no choice lol. i dont have adjustable rucas.

Buy some rucas, it is well worth the investment.

Originally Posted by LBCtoofortee

i have a problem staying sideways.. i have shitty tires in back and falken ziex up front.. i can get it sideways(clutch kick/stage 3 clutch) and counter-steer but when i give it gas it starts to grip after a little while and catch itself. its kinda annoying im on tein he's with pretty mild damper settings. maybe i'm just being a weenie, and letting off the gas a little without noticing?

Clutch kick more. How much psi are you running in rear?

Originally Posted by MrChow

Bee I just did the same thing but I went from a KA to a build sr. I just got to drift my old zenki again God I miss the lower end response.

You have an SR now? I never knew.
Change your final drive.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by 95KA-Turbo

Yep, that's why I prefer KA-Turbo over SR...and the reason I went with a LS1 swap over building the SR I already had.


Thanks for the tire suggestions....but as far as I could find Sunny/Lexani/Wanli don't make 255/40/17s, they all go up to like a 235/50/17 which is retarded. Federal seems to be my cheapest bet, I guess I'll have to see how fast they burn up.

they make Nexen 3000's in a 255 35 18 for about 100 bucks (i know you run 17's). They are so far the longest lasting tire i've ran.


my KA would kill 2-3 sets of tires at balcony (falkens/federals)...but I drive harder than most.

Nexens usually last me all day, but hard to find in the right size.

[95KA-Turbo]

Originally Posted by WYT R1CE

What feds are you running? Im not really a fan of these Sumitomo so far, I have 4.5 more to burn up.

I found one website that claims to have some of the old Hankooks I like in stock, so I guess I'll have to call them when I get my tax return...but if that falls through I'll just order the regular 595 Federals, or whatever the number is.

Do the Sumitomos get greasy or anything? I've slid on some random tires in the past and they got less grippy as they heated up rather then more grippy, which can suck when you expect to be able to fling the car at a certain speed only to have it come around on you when you're approaching a wall....I had it happen at VIR and it was horrible, haha.



Thanks for the Nexen suggestion, I'll look those up as well.


Edit: Looks like the Nexens are ~16 bucks more a tire then the Feddys after shipping, but that's totally worth it if they last way longer.

[fckillerbee]

yeah, that's what mohan runs on his RX8. It's his sponsor tire.

[95KA-Turbo]

I need a tire sponsor, LOL.

[landins13]

i love my tires, toyo proxes r1r 235-40-17 all the way around can be found for about 100 a tire if you look long and hard then just buy them 10 at a time lol.

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

You have an SR now? I never knew.
Change your final drive.

Yeah I got a month ago.. I really haven't drift a lot with it yet needs a better tune and stuff it was setup more for power. It was tuned with water/meth kit and not it doesn't have it so also I changed the cams already from hks step 2 to 1.

I want to but I want my MPG. I'm going to do something about the gearing later.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by MrChow

Yeah I got a month ago.. I really haven't drift a lot with it yet needs a better tune and stuff it was setup more for power. It was tuned with water/meth kit and not it doesn't have it so also I changed the cams already from hks step 2 to 1.

I want to but I want my MPG. I'm going to do something about the gearing later.

aero helps a ton with MPG. reduce that drag!

[JohnnyDrfiter22]

Someone earlier talked about spring settings for a KA (soft, hard).

What would you guys recommend for a good starting point SR'd S13. I normally run right in the middle of soft and hard in the front and soft all the way in the rear.

[fckillerbee]

personal preference. My buddy's S13 felt awesome with 8k front and 5k rear on a 400whp SR with 235's.

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

aero helps a ton with MPG. reduce that drag!

Really?? Is it that much? What did you have on yours?

Originally Posted by JohnnyDrfiter22

Someone earlier talked about spring settings for a KA (soft, hard).

What would you guys recommend for a good starting point SR'd S13. I normally run right in the middle of soft and hard in the front and soft all the way in the rear.

Everyone will find that sweet spot for there car. My KA S14 was 8k/7k setup with whiteline f/r sways and it was prefect for drifting and grip.

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

if anything get an exedy oem replacement if its all you can afford. mine took a nasty beating this year, 3 events without a working ebrake and its still holding up

front tires = more grip while drifting. it definitely deals with more stuff like suspension set up and all that jazz but no matter what set up you are running, if you can't grip the front then you can't steer the car

front tires pretty much dictate how much control you will have on your car once you start drifting, if they grip enough to allow. running a crappy tire will mean that you can understeer (when you're car moves at a more shallow angle than that of which your wheels are pointed)

you always want more grip upfront than in rear, or at the least balanced grip. I'm looking into advan ad08 for the front, or federal 595-RSR, and then i just run cheap tires in the rear

Okay, lol I happened to stumble on a free pair of toyo proxxes 4 in 215/40/17 so I'll stick those on the front when I get my wheels. And as for rears I'll try those sunny things you mentioned haha.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by MrChow

Really?? Is it that much? What did you have on yours?

he was kidding hahaha. most areo is just for looks

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

Okay, lol I happened to stumble on a free pair of toyo proxxes 4 in 215/40/17 so I'll stick those on the front when I get my wheels. And as for rears I'll try those sunny things you mentioned haha.

achilles atr sport are also very good
however, they don't have the sizes i truly wanted. try em both out

[KA240SX808]

Sunny SN3800's? I don't like them. They always chunk on me.
I've used 595SS's which wore nicely but didn't last very long. Decent amount of grip.
Also had N3000's, those lasted way longer than the 595's but towards the end of its life it started to chunk. Grip is pretty much non existent which for a N/A KA is not a problem lol.
Had DZ101's and they smoked a bunch. Grip was around the 595's but a Tad more.
Also has Process 4's which also smoked a bunch and wore decently. Grip is also up there.

I'm gonna try some Falken 912's or 502's and see how they hold up. Looking for a decently priced tire that lasts and don't chunk. Gonna throw some 452's up front for some decent grip.

We don't get the "Good" Chinese tires like the LingLongs, BCTs, Diamondbacks/Triangles, Achilles, etc. (As in good I mean long lasting drifting tires)

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

he was kidding hahaha. most areo is just for looks

achilles atr sport are also very good
however, they don't have the sizes i truly wanted. try em both out

my car gets 40+ mpg if I'm just cruising at like 65.. slammed with piggy lip ftw.

I also looked for the achilles in 215 and couldn't find any haha

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

my car gets 40+ mpg if I'm just cruising at like 65.. slammed with piggy lip ftw.

I also looked for the achilles in 215 and couldn't find any haha

What engine and tuning does your car have to yield twice the factory rated mpg?

[iamtheyi]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

What engine and tuning does your car have to yield twice the factory rated mpg?

I am also curious how this is done.

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

What engine and tuning does your car have to yield twice the factory rated mpg?

not quite twice lol but the last time I really measured my mileage it was stock ka, 5spd swap with the auto ecu still, no emissions, relatively strong motor (160+ psi compression across the board), cone filter intake, 3 inch exhaust, header, stock cat, piggy lip an inch off the ground, and a steady foot. Oh and e-fans that were switched off on the freeway. I got 40.something mpg on a couple runs but since the last time I really tried to stretch the mileage I've put a 5spd ecu in the car and it seems to get about 4-5 mpg less

[h2v7]

^ this is an on the fly caluclation done in your head i assume...

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

not quite twice lol but the last time I really measured my mileage it was stock ka, 5spd swap with the auto ecu still, no emissions, relatively strong motor (160+ psi compression across the board), cone filter intake, 3 inch exhaust, header, stock cat, piggy lip an inch off the ground, and a steady foot. Oh and e-fans that were switched off on the freeway. I got 40.something mpg on a couple runs but since the last time I really tried to stretch the mileage I've put a 5spd ecu in the car and it seems to get about 4-5 mpg less

Hmm.. I get 30 mpg on the hwy and that's going 70ish mph S14 stock ka no idea on compression 200k miles, no aero, intake, stock cat and hi-flow cat, 3" exhaust, clutch fan still and JWT ecu... Anyhoo..

[whiterps13]

There is a MPG thread. Please take this shit over there.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by KA240SX808

Sunny SN3800's? I don't like them. They always chunk on me.

We don't get the "Good" Chinese tires like the LingLongs, BCTs, Diamondbacks/Triangles, Achilles, etc. (As in good I mean long lasting drifting tires)

I always 'heat cycle' my tires or w.e before i actually drive on them. i.e. i cruise around for a day or do, normal driving not very long, and let the tires get decently broken in. never had a problem with chunking. Maybe its sizing issues, like with the SS595 in 18s that always chunked

are these decent? I heard they were long lasting but cause they don't grip for shit. I know i have a stock ka and blah blah but i also enjoy keeping up speed while drifting around.

check onlinetires.com (call them before placing order) to see what they can get you. i've had amazing prices with them for a while

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

I also looked for the achilles in 215 and couldn't find any haha

yeah they dont make em i dont think

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

he was kidding hahaha. most areo is just for looks

achilles atr sport are also very good
however, they don't have the sizes i truly wanted. try em both out

no aero really does help.

Nieko got 40mph in his SR on the way to vegas.

if air hits your front bumper, both sides, roof, and under the car. When lowering your car and adding aero to push all that air that is under your car out, you will take away a great percentage.

Don't add downforce...try and take it away. Skinny tires reduce friction. Spoilers control drag that flows off the roof.

Aero wasn't designed just for looks...it originated from somewhere. whether it's to add friction, or remove it.

every gap between your fenders adds friction, if you just narrowed that gap, it would reduce drag.

[chiboy002]

yeah but lots of aero companies don't even try to achieve that. i understand that it helps cause most stock bumpers are shitty and flow the air under the car too, but a lot of aero is just for looks

if you really wanted to maximize that then get something like the GRacer w/ the under panel, or get an underpanel made so the air flows completely out from under the car

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by h2v7

^ this is an on the fly caluclation done in your head i assume...

The 4-5 mpg less is an on-the-fly calculation, but the 40+ mpg was done by dividing the number of miles traveled by the amount of gas used on fill up. Same pump, same station.

Originally Posted by MrChow

Hmm.. I get 30 mpg on the hwy and that's going 70ish mph S14 stock ka no idea on compression 200k miles, no aero, intake, stock cat and hi-flow cat, 3" exhaust, clutch fan still and JWT ecu... Anyhoo..

Having a lip to keep all that air from cramming itself under the car makes a huge difference, and so does the other 5 mph.

Originally Posted by whiterps13

There is a MPG thread. Please take this shit over there.

If you would look back in the past 10 ish pages you would see that me and the others having this conversation are pretty much the only active posters in this thread. And 90% of the time its driving related. Technically, this is still driving related; keep your foot in one place and it'll do wonders for your mileage.

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

no aero really does help.

Nieko got 40mph in his SR on the way to vegas.

if air hits your front bumper, both sides, roof, and under the car. When lowering your car and adding aero to push all that air that is under your car out, you will take away a great percentage.

Don't add downforce...try and take it away. Skinny tires reduce friction. Spoilers control drag that flows off the roof.

Aero wasn't designed just for looks...it originated from somewhere. whether it's to add friction, or remove it.

every gap between your fenders adds friction, if you just narrowed that gap, it would reduce drag.

This, the biggest source of drag is air that used to be a couple cubic feet in size cramming itself into a few cubic inches of size underneath your car, and unstable air slamming down into the decklid/not flowing properly out of the back of the car.

With a lip and a simple trunk spoiler, combined with insanely low ride height, hardly any air makes its way under the car, and any air that does gets pulled back out from the vacuum created by the spoiler. (not a huge wing, a small spoiler)

EDIT: I've heard the tale of Nieko's 40mpg run across the desert... I wasn't there but I remember something about a single cam in the story not an sr? lol

Originally Posted by chiboy002

yeah but lots of aero companies don't even try to achieve that. i understand that it helps cause most stock bumpers are shitty and flow the air under the car too, but a lot of aero is just for looks

if you really wanted to maximize that then get something like the GRacer w/ the under panel, or get an underpanel made so the air flows completely out from under the car

As long as your aero fits right and your wheels aren't sticking 3 feet out of your fenders, it'll most likely have a positive benefit. And as I stated before, a spoiler is the best thing for pulling the air out from under the car.

You think the spoilers on cup cars (nascar) actually create any downforce?? No, they disrupt the airflow behind the car creating a vacuum behind and under the car creating downforce that way. Another example are the daytona coupes (shelby); pre spoiler the cars were terrifying to drive, post spoiler (which was just a ducktail riveted to the back of the car), the cars were easier to drive, more stable, and they had a higher top speed. (due to less drag)

[KA240SX808]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

I always 'heat cycle' my tires or w.e before i actually drive on them. i.e. i cruise around for a day or do, normal driving not very long, and let the tires get decently broken in. never had a problem with chunking. Maybe its sizing issues, like with the SS595 in 18s that always chunked

are these decent? I heard they were long lasting but cause they don't grip for shit. I know i have a stock ka and blah blah but i also enjoy keeping up speed while drifting around.

check onlinetires.com (call them before placing order) to see what they can get you. i've had amazing prices with them for a while

- Yeah it could be a size issue.

- Are you asking if the Sunnys are decent?

- Because I live in Hawaii I normaly don't look outside of TireRack and Tires easy. But even then I can get tires local for less even though there not the tires I want. I'm gonna try some Falken 912's outback and see how they do.