PBM Comps NOW LOW AT ALL WTF?!

[FaLKoN240]

Do this. Stop crying.

[Casperjay]

Originally Posted by ZX88

you need to get out more.

why? lol so i can see a bunch of people over pay for coils that probably preform the same?

[Tempo]

Originally Posted by ghoti

LOL at Megan's being more functional than PBMs

he was implying he'd rather trade his megans(form) for OP's PBM's(function)...

Originally Posted by Casperjay

i never said they were. im saying its better to have function rather than form then i said my megan's were low. never did i say megan's are more functional then pbm's.
But imo megan tracks are perfectly functional, actually i (with my own eyes) have never seen pbm's on anything race related, while megan tracks on the other hand are on the majority of the pro am drift cars that i see in the midwest.

so you've never heard of matt powers, matt field, and ryan kado?

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

Do this. Stop crying.

Wow have you not read anything ? I already did that. I've known to do that if coils don't go as low as you want them. These aren't my first set of coils. I've already removed both collars and added a good amount of preload. Added some camber and its still not as low my old coupe

[corby_baby]

Im kinda with the op, not sure where this whole super low thing comes from. 1 collar removed no preload, 17's. Dosnt bother me too much since texas roads are shit and going lower makes the car almost undriveable.

[Tempo]

Originally Posted by corby_baby

not sure where this whole super low thing comes from.

ohhh i dont know, maybe..



hopefully all goes well tomorrow and OP gets ahold of pbm, chime in and let us know afterwards op

[corby_baby]

Originally Posted by Tempo

ohhh i dont know, maybe..



hopefully all goes well tomorrow and OP gets ahold of pbm, chime in and let us know afterwards op

Ohh thank god you found that banner, exactly what i was trying to convey when posting that sentence....

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by corby_baby

Im kinda with the op, not sure where this whole super low thing comes from. 1 collar removed no preload, 17's. Dosnt bother me too much since texas roads are shit and going lower makes the car almost undriveable.

Texas roads are not an excuse, lol I commute back and forth from DFW to So-Cal twice a year like this:



Once again with all collars in tact..

[FaLKoN240]

Originally Posted by jeremyuhh

Wow have you not read anything ? I already did that. I've known to do that if coils don't go as low as you want them. These aren't my first set of coils. I've already removed both collars and added a good amount of preload. Added some camber and its still not as low my old coupe

But you didn't do that. I still see all the collars between your spring and perch mount. Until you've done EVERYTHING you can do, (with pics) to show us you've lowered the car, you haven't.

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

But you didn't do that. I still see all the collars between your spring and perch mount. Until you've done EVERYTHING you can do, (with pics) to show us you've lowered the car, you haven't.

Originally Posted by jeremyuhh

UPDATE: i removed BOTH collars and added about 1 turn of preload this morning... bla bla

I'm pretty sure he pulled the collars...

[CleanAndLegit]

he's just doing it wrong.

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by CleanAndLegit

he's just doing it wrong.

yea im doing it totally wrong. i have no idea what im doing

[e5s4y]

i know its not the same, but heres mine. pbm pro's maxed out in the front, can still drop a bit more in the rear, but still have all the collars in place up front. tires are 215/45/17 and 225/45/17

[ayuaddict]

Get 6" springs for front. Swift, Hyperco, Eibach.

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

But you didn't do that. I still see all the collars between your spring and perch mount. Until you've done EVERYTHING you can do, (with pics) to show us you've lowered the car, you haven't.

what are you talking about? the collar that is left is the spring collar. without it the spring would have no where to sit. how are all my collars still there?

Martin from PBM and alexisthemovie told me add camber. added camber and still not where i want it to be.:

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by ayuaddict

Get 6" springs for front. Swift, Hyperco, Eibach.

Thats what PBM told me as well. if the problem still persists theyll send me shorter springs.

[coty_garcia]

Originally Posted by brian310

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[Drift_FX]

measure the distance from spring seat to the top of threads, subtract that from the length of your spring, order that size spring...... no change in preload and you'll have extra ~2" of drop possible.... /endthread

[ayuaddict]

Your coilovers look to have an unusual amount of space between the camber plate/pillow ball mount and the upper spring perch. Post a close up photo of that area?

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by ayuaddict

Your coilovers look to have an unusual amount of space between the camber plate/pillow ball mount and the upper spring perch. Post a close up photo of that area?

looks normal to me ?

[bigs]

So what did psm say when you called them?

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by bigs

So what did psm say when you called them?

they never gave me a real solution. they said to add camber. i did and its still not as low and where i want it to be. theyre waiting on Dan to return from japan but they at least forwarded the emails i sent them to him. they said they would get me shorter springs if its still not going low enough.

[ayuaddict]

It does look normal, perhaps it was just the angle.

Several years ago, before we had options such as PBM, KTS super lows, D Max etc. I used to shave down the lower insert/spacer that goes between the pillowball and upper perch for an additional 5-10mm of low. If going with a smaller spring is not enough, that may be an option for you.

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by ayuaddict

It does look normal, perhaps it was just the angle.

Several years ago, before we had options such as PBM, KTS super lows, D Max etc. I used to shave down the lower insert/spacer that goes between the pillowball and upper perch for an additional 5-10mm of low. If going with a smaller spring is not enough, that may be an option for you.

i also compared it to the photos they have on their site and it looked about the same to me.

i think the smaller spring should do it, but i shouldnt i be able to go low even with both collars on?

[alexisthemovie]

To be honest, my setup looked to be about the same as your fronts with collars removed and camber maxed.

[jerry_beans]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

Do this. Stop crying.

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Fixed your link... I think you ment for him to do this

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by alexisthemovie

To be honest, my setup looked to be about the same as your fronts with collars removed and camber maxed.

wouldnt you think 2 collars off and PBMs ability of going super low, as seen on other zilvia members' cars, would make my 2nd coupe lower? something isnt right. i do see and realize the ride height and the amount of tire the fender is covering is almost similar, but i was under the impression of PBMs going low without having to remove collars. im just waiting to see what Dan from PBM has to say.

1 collar removed, 0 preload, -2.8 camber, same tire and wheel size:


2 collars removed, a lot of preload, ~-3 camber:

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Back from Japan today

Lots of good suggestions here.

dont preload

springs do settle over time

Photoshopped ride height is not really drivable

45 series tire on 17 is correct, better for traction and ride and tucking

In the first post you said 0 camber, and the last post said -3 camber? Having 0 camber certainly makes the car higher, and negitive camber makes the car lower.

the standard for any drift car is maximum front camber and add wheel spacers to get the fitment back many people increase camber with the aftermarket FLCA which adds track width which is also good
When the car is cambered in the cars weight focuses on the inside of the tire, and it can compress it more. For tire wear its not good but for drift traction at lock its great because the caster adds too much positive camber when you camber in and change offset with spacers the car also gets lower because wheels are going out and up due to the camber.

Anyhow I have ordered 135mm springs.. only $60 plus shipping but air freight will cost you if you are in a hurry

[Xicor01]

How about you just return them, wait a little and buy pro's? Especially if all the people with pros are going lower than low?

[jeremyuhh]

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

Back from Japan today

Lots of good suggestions here.

dont preload

springs do settle over time

Photoshopped ride height is not really drivable

45 series tire on 17 is correct, better for traction and ride and tucking

In the first post you said 0 camber, and the last post said -3 camber? Having 0 camber certainly makes the car higher, and negitive camber makes the car lower.

the standard for any drift car is maximum front camber and add wheel spacers to get the fitment back many people increase camber with the aftermarket FLCA which adds track width which is also good
When the car is cambered in the cars weight focuses on the inside of the tire, and it can compress it more. For tire wear its not good but for drift traction at lock its great because the caster adds too much positive camber when you camber in and change offset with spacers the car also gets lower because wheels are going out and up due to the camber.

Anyhow I have ordered 135mm springs.. only $60 plus shipping but air freight will cost you if you are in a hurry

The first post was the first time i lowered my car. before the 5 lug conversion and wheels, i was running stock wheels with 0 camber. all i did was lower it to its max. the last post was when i was advised to add camber, so i added about -3 if my measurements were correct.

Never though camber would change the ride height that dramatically. on my first coupe, i also maxed out my coils after installing wheels and my fenders were already jammed up against the tire at 0 camber, thats why i was wondering why these coils didnt do that and thats why i thought camber didnt affect ride height. but now i know.

and lastly, Thank you for ordering the springs. im not in a hurry. what are the springs rates ? 10kg/mm ?do i pay now or wait until they have arrived?