PBM Comps NOW LOW AT ALL WTF?! - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 02:13 AM

UPDATE: i removed BOTH collars and added about 1 turn of preload this morning on each front coilover and i am no where near how i was with my stance gr+ pro (pictured below on my red coupe) im at 0 camber and i dont even rub. yes, no rubbing at all. i thought PBMs had "FAMOUS Super low ride height ability" as quoted straight off their site.

tons of preload to where i need frim grip with 2 hands and the wheel off to turn the spring
both collars removed
completely maxed out
0 fucking camber
not even covering or touching tire.
and i can drive with no rubbing issues. my sidewalls should be demolished by now
Before it settled:

After it settled:

when i had both collars on, 0 preload, maxed out low. nasty gap:

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i have pbm comp coils, maxed out fronts, collars still there, and im not even touching tire. theres at least half an inch of wheel gap still. i thought PBMs were supposed to go suuuuper low without removing collars.

specs:
pbm comp coils. 10k front spring rate. 0 preload. maxed out. 2 collars on.
17x9.5 +15 battles on 205/40R17.
0 camber & 0.9 toe from running stock wheels

wtf is going on?

i had stance gr+ pro with 1 collar removed, same wheel and tire size, except +12 offset and they went alot lower:

PureRush · 03-23-2013, 02:15 AM

Flip the lower bracket bro

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PureRush

Flip the lower bracket bro

these are the new comp models. the lower bracket has negative camber built in. if i flip it it will become positive.

flipping the lower bracket was for the older models i believe.

VENICE_DRIFT · 03-23-2013, 02:29 AM

Really I'm tucking 18s in the front with PBM comps on my s14 and my s13 has the old comps and I'm half way down the tire with a 205/45/17 on a 9" no collars removed?

om3ga · 03-23-2013, 02:32 AM

Any preload?

bladetech8 · 03-23-2013, 02:33 AM

^ I know that guy....

brian310 · 03-23-2013, 02:38 AM

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VENICE_DRIFT · 03-23-2013, 02:53 AM

Just a little preload maybe one half turn of the collar

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Really I'm tucking 18s in the front with PBM comps on my s14 and my s13 has the old comps and I'm half way down the tire with a 205/45/17 on a 9" no collars removed?

Yes really. I'm in disbelief.

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Originally Posted by om3ga

Any preload?

Already stated. 0 preload.

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Originally Posted by brian310

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Just a little preload maybe one half turn of the collar

I don't feel that will compensate for almost over a half inch of gap.

VENICE_DRIFT · 03-23-2013, 03:23 AM

Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber
Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

*Wake* · 03-23-2013, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by om3ga

Any preload?

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Originally Posted by bladetech8

^ I know that guy....

I know both those guys^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber
Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

uh what?
"it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk"
Do you know what direction is in and what is out? and what a fender is? and what camber is?

TheRealSy90 · 03-23-2013, 03:42 AM

Should have got Fortune Auto.

KendallH · 03-23-2013, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Should have got Fortune Auto.

My FA's go barely just this low with one collar removed and the bracket flipped

delado · 03-23-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Should have got Fortune Auto.

Sorry but FA is terrible at going low specially in the front.

tengo240 · 03-23-2013, 08:57 AM

your doing something wrong , im on tein winding masters and have 18's ,im tucking rim in the front,preload is your friend

i messed up trying to post this so sorry guys if it shows up 3 times

tengo240 · 03-23-2013, 09:03 AM

and by looking at those pbm pics it looks even if you do flip the brackets it will be the same, aside from the camber obviously ,but the bracket is flat top and bottom.

tengo240 · 03-23-2013, 09:09 AM

and lastly why wouldnt you have just removed the other two collars when they were off the car? even if your not slamming it you dont need them ...... but why buy pbm coilovers if your not gonna slam it .you bought "high end" coilovers for there performance asspects?

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VENICE_DRIFT

Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber
Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

camber doesnt matter, that wont fix the height of the coilover.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tengo240

your doing something wrong , im on tein winding masters and have 18's ,im tucking rim in the front,preload is your friend

i messed up trying to post this so sorry guys if it shows up 3 times

theyre installed correctly. im not new to this shit. i heard PBMs require 0 preload. if i am doing something wrong what could it be?

i guess im gonna have to remove collars but i dont think that will get me THAT low. both collars combined will give me a 1" drop at the most.

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tengo240

and lastly why wouldnt you have just removed the other two collars when they were off the car? even if your not slamming it you dont need them ...... but why buy pbm coilovers if your not gonna slam it .you bought "high end" coilovers for there performance asspects?

because i was running stock up til now. i was going to remove them anyway when i got wheels. im just surprised this is the "FAMOUS super low ride height ability" that PBM says on their site.

and yes i bought these coils for the its height capabilities and for drift.

ZX88 · 03-23-2013, 09:29 AM

maybe you have higher spring rates in the front than you should. 12k would be a longer spring than 10k right?

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZX88

maybe you have higher spring rates in the front than you should. 12k would be a longer spring than 10k right?

maybe? but i bought them brand new from Pbm. they should have come with 10kg/8kg. theyre 180mm in length so thats already pretty short.

Touge_Monster · 03-23-2013, 12:19 PM

I would contact them about this. They have pretty awesome customer service and I'm sure would be willing to help out

jeremyuhh · 03-23-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Touge_Monster

I would contact them about this. They have pretty awesome customer service and I'm sure would be willing to help out

yea i emailed them. just waiting on a response. but really though, what could it be?

benarovi · 03-23-2013, 12:41 PM

i have even the regulars and the fronts are maxed out with collars removed and preload up just a tad. and rear i have about an inch left. im tucking alot of 35series tire my cars super low. 10k front 8k rear. somethings wrong

brian310 · 03-23-2013, 12:45 PM

i say you just drive the damn car and quit trying to achieve fan boy stance

DomChan · 03-23-2013, 12:50 PM

Maybe they gave you s14 model coilovers. I've heard of s14 coils fitting on s13, but sitting way high. Make sure they gave you the right model haha.

zooopreme · 03-23-2013, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomChan

Maybe they gave you s14 model coilovers. I've heard of s14 coils fitting on s13, but sitting way high. Make sure they gave you the right model haha.

If they sent him a set of S14 coilovers, the rears would have been high as well. Also, the top hat would not have lined up with the strut towers of the S13.

Matej · 03-23-2013, 01:01 PM

First of all, your tires are tiny. Switch to 205/45.

After that, contact MAX and confirm that you have the correct part numbers. If so and if you want to keep the coilovers, your only option will be shorter springs. Maybe they will be willing to give you some sort of a deal, since you are dissatisfied. If not, get Swift Springs.

delado · 03-23-2013, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matej

First of all, your tires are tiny. Switch to 205/45

What in the fucks are you talking about man.

Matej · 03-23-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by delado

What in the fucks are you talking about man.

19th Century literature.

03-23-2013, 02:13 AM	#1
jeremyuhh Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: earth Posts: 1,419 Trader Rating: (51) Feedback Score: 51 reviews	PBM Comps NOT LOW AT ALL WTF?! UPDATE: i removed BOTH collars and added about 1 turn of preload this morning on each front coilover and i am no where near how i was with my stance gr+ pro (pictured below on my red coupe) im at 0 camber and i dont even rub. yes, no rubbing at all. i thought PBMs had "FAMOUS Super low ride height ability" as quoted straight off their site. tons of preload to where i need frim grip with 2 hands and the wheel off to turn the spring both collars removed completely maxed out 0 fucking camber not even covering or touching tire. and i can drive with no rubbing issues. my sidewalls should be demolished by now Before it settled: After it settled: when i had both collars on, 0 preload, maxed out low. nasty gap: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i have pbm comp coils, maxed out fronts, collars still there, and im not even touching tire. theres at least half an inch of wheel gap still. i thought PBMs were supposed to go suuuuper low without removing collars. specs: pbm comp coils. 10k front spring rate. 0 preload. maxed out. 2 collars on. 17x9.5 +15 battles on 205/40R17. 0 camber & 0.9 toe from running stock wheels wtf is going on? i had stance gr+ pro with 1 collar removed, same wheel and tire size, except +12 offset and they went alot lower: Last edited by jeremyuhh; 03-25-2013 at 02:25 AM..

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03-23-2013, 02:15 AM	#2
PureRush Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Orange County Posts: 893 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Flip the lower bracket bro

03-23-2013, 02:29 AM	#4
VENICE_DRIFT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: LAS VEGAS Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Really I'm tucking 18s in the front with PBM comps on my s14 and my s13 has the old comps and I'm half way down the tire with a 205/45/17 on a 9" no collars removed?

03-23-2013, 02:32 AM	#5
om3ga Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Up and Down! California Posts: 878 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Any preload?

03-23-2013, 02:33 AM	#6
bladetech8 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Southern California (LA/OC) Posts: 828 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	^ I know that guy....

03-23-2013, 02:53 AM	#8
VENICE_DRIFT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: LAS VEGAS Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Just a little preload maybe one half turn of the collar

03-23-2013, 03:23 AM	#10
VENICE_DRIFT Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: LAS VEGAS Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Ill take pics tomorrow if you don't believe me and I just realized you don't have camber Camber makes it LOOK like your cars lower because it brings the top of the wheels in torwards the fender but idk

03-23-2013, 08:57 AM	#15
tengo240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lancaster ,pa Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	your doing something wrong , im on tein winding masters and have 18's ,im tucking rim in the front,preload is your friend i messed up trying to post this so sorry guys if it shows up 3 times

03-23-2013, 09:03 AM	#16
tengo240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lancaster ,pa Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	and by looking at those pbm pics it looks even if you do flip the brackets it will be the same, aside from the camber obviously ,but the bracket is flat top and bottom.

03-23-2013, 09:09 AM	#17
tengo240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lancaster ,pa Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	and lastly why wouldnt you have just removed the other two collars when they were off the car? even if your not slamming it you dont need them ...... but why buy pbm coilovers if your not gonna slam it .you bought "high end" coilovers for there performance asspects?

03-23-2013, 09:29 AM	#20
ZX88 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Age: 35 Posts: 2,946 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	maybe you have higher spring rates in the front than you should. 12k would be a longer spring than 10k right?

03-23-2013, 12:41 PM	#24
benarovi Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: FaiL Age: 31 Posts: 913 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	i have even the regulars and the fronts are maxed out with collars removed and preload up just a tad. and rear i have about an inch left. im tucking alot of 35series tire my cars super low. 10k front 8k rear. somethings wrong

03-23-2013, 12:50 PM	#26
DomChan Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,207 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Maybe they gave you s14 model coilovers. I've heard of s14 coils fitting on s13, but sitting way high. Make sure they gave you the right model haha.

03-23-2013, 01:01 PM	#28
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	First of all, your tires are tiny. Switch to 205/45. After that, contact MAX and confirm that you have the correct part numbers. If so and if you want to keep the coilovers, your only option will be shorter springs. Maybe they will be willing to give you some sort of a deal, since you are dissatisfied. If not, get Swift Springs.