The Future Automotive Thread

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by future

He definitely threw away a ton of money. We mad fun Iif him for that and the fact that if he got a 5.0 he probably wwould have liked it more lol

I had a bug up my butt last week about the S550 5.0.

If I sold my two Porsches I could go and buy one. What a nice thought. No project cars, fast great car right out of the box.

But I can't get past the Euro snout and IRS. It really does drive and feel like a E46 M3 or 335i. The front really does look Austin Martin / Jaguar.

Under normal circumstances these are HuGe complements. But for me - it just isn't that "feel" I keep missing from my SN95. That rowdy "muscle car" feel. I'm also pissed they changed the firing order on the 5.0. The old mod motors are some of the best sounding V8s in the world. New one sounds, generic.






Miss that car.

[future]

With headers and exhuays i love the new 5.0

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

the car felt a lot like a 240 in the way it drove, boosted and driver positioning...

I really do love the new ecoboost stangs. I feel they are as close to a new Silvia as we will ever get stateside with how far Nissan has their head up their ass in this segment.

2+2
Boosted
RWD

Not that fucking hard.

I really want to see one modded all Japanese like. Really low on big fat Works with stretched tires, loads of front camber. And de-badged, that way I can pretend. ......

[LockOn!]

hmmmm...

[simmode1]

^^^Mah pants just asplodeded... Looking like a couple of big voluptuous Sil80's... Mmhmmm...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Mah pants just asplodeded... Looking like a couple of big voluptuous Sil80's... Mmhmmm...

No enough spray paint and rust...

[SimpleS14]

The rumors of Mustang GT350 starting at ~$48K make it sound like a bargain (IMO).

2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 to start at $47,870

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

The rumors of Mustang GT350 starting at ~$48K make it sound like a bargain (IMO).

2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 to start at $47,870

R version with carbon fiber wheels will add $13,000.

[SimpleS14]

[SimpleS14]

such a tease!

[K_style]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

such a tease!

That music was not necessary...

[dorkidori_s13]

i wish Ford would do something neat with the Ecoboost edition. I get that the V8 is the flagship, but i think it would be equally impressive to see them crank out a 400hp track edition of the ecoboost model.

[future]

Nope nope and nope^^^ neat does not make money


but on topic to the mustangs above, they are a change of wheels away from being fire

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

i wish Ford would do something neat with the Ecoboost edition. I get that the V8 is the flagship, but i think it would be equally impressive to see them crank out a 400hp track edition of the ecoboost model.

If Shelby won't do it, someone else will.

[simmode1]

There needs to be an Ecoboost 'Stang Tuner Shootout like Best Motoring International does... Throw in this year's and last year's stock 5.0 GTs to set the benchmark. Let 'em loose on Willow Springs and see what happens...

[exitspeed]

Proof Nissan has no fucking clue what they should be doing. The 370 is so long in the tooth for the industry its comical.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/17/n...original-240z/

The current Nissan 370Z is six years old, meaning a replacement is on the horizon. But what will the next Z car be? In an interview at last weekend's 24 Hours of Le Mans, Nissan Chief Creative Office Shiro Nakamura revealed that one idea for the next-generation Z could see it move down market, closer to the original 240Z or the 1999 Concept Z.

"We would like to do something ... more practical and appealing to younger customers." – Shiro Nakamura
"We are studying a couple of different concepts. Because the sports car market is becoming smaller globally," said Nakamura, "We would like to do something, I personally think, is more [in the] original concept of Z, which is ... more practical and appealing to younger customers." The original 1969 240Z, sold under the Datsun nameplate, became an icon thanks to a combination of attractive styling, reasonable performance, and affordable price. In 1970, a new 240Z went for less than $3,600 at the dealer, although high demand resulted in early resale values above retail.

In the US, the 240Z begat the 280Z in 1975. Subsequent versions grew in numerical name and performance, but that trend has an end point. The future path may be to reverse course, jokes Nakamura. "We are questioning ourselves in repeating the 350, 370. We don't want to create 390Z, right?"

While Nissan is working on the next Z, the bad news is that the IDx is confirmed dead. First shown at the 2013 Tokyo Motor Show, the IDx concept was a vision of an affordable, four-seat sports car like original Nissan/Datsun 510. "I think IDx will not be produced," said Nakamura, before continuing to say that the Z could fill that role.

Don't expect a Mazda MX-5 Miata or Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S clone. When asked specifically about the MX-5, the Nissan designer stated "We may not necessarily go into the same category. Personally I see other options that are very interesting. We want to do something the same as this, unique," he said, referencing a picture of the GTR-LM racecar on the wall.

As for timing, we couldn't get any specifics. And the chances of the Z moving down market aren't even certain. "We still need time to finalize this," said the Nissan chief designer, "I mean, we have a couple of ideas."

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Proof Nissan has no fucking clue what they should be doing. The 370 is so long in the tooth for the industry its comical.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/17/n...original-240z/

Just add that to the list of non-surprises from Nissan. As long as they continue to try selling NISMO Jukes, then their heads will perpetually be up their asses.

[Future240]

The 370z is such a weird placed car. It's price tag puts it into categories it cannot compete with in terms of power and performance.

Configurations


Base Manual
$29,990
Base Automatic
$31,290
Sport Manual
$33,570
Sport Automatic
$34,870
Sport Tech Manual
$37,070
Touring Manual
$37,970
Sport Tech Automatic
$38,370
Touring Automatic
$39,270
NISMO Manual
$41,990
NISMO Automatic
$43,290
NISMO Tech Manual
$45,490
NISMO Tech Automatic
$46,790

[simmode1]

Geezus Christ... Why is this rocket science to them? Create a new lightwieght platform that allows for 2+0, 2+2 & 4 door configurations just like the Z33, G35 coupe & sedan. I would love a sedan with the weight & size of the IS300, personally (with the 2+0 & 2+2 naturally being even lighter). Bore out the MR16DDT to 2.0t at 250hp-ish as the base engine and shrink VQ to a 3.0L single turbo with 370hp+. Reuse the 370z's transmission. Done. Whats the problem?

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Whats the problem?

ghosn run nissan...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Geezus Christ... Why is this rocket science to them? Create a new lightwieght platform that allows for 2+0, 2+2 & 4 door configurations just like the Z33, G35 coupe & sedan. I would love a sedan with the weight & size of the IS300, personally (with the 2+0 & 2+2 naturally being even lighter). Bore out the MR16DDT to 2.0t at 250hp-ish as the base engine and shrink VQ to a 3.0L single turbo with 370hp+. Reuse the 370z's transmission. Done. Whats the problem?

Not rocket science, it just requires a space race budget.

How many FRZs have been sold?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Just add that to the list of non-surprises from Nissan. As long as they continue to try selling NISMO Jukes, then their heads will perpetually be up their asses.

Juke is a runaway sales success and a money maker.

Hell, Honda just released their own version of a Juke with that idiot commercial.

CRX + Delsol + S2000 + Element = HR-V

Puke

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Proof Nissan has no fucking clue what they should be doing. The 370 is so long in the tooth for the industry its comical.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/17/n...original-240z/

1970 240Z @ $3,600 = $21,952 today


Mustang GT in 1970 was $3,190. = $19,455 today

1979 911T was $7,299 = $44,508 today

Average Home 1970 $22,500 = $137,000

Today Average Home is $178,000


1970 510 was $2k, that's $12,195 today.

A modern Sentra is $20k

So, no the 240Z was never an "every-mans" car. It offered European styling and performance for far less. It was still more than a Muscle car and considerably more than typical economy cars of its time.


You can't go off inflation alone for car prices.

A 429 Boss Mustang was $4,100, that's $25,000 today. Modern equivalent is a $65,000 Shelby GT500. You can barley get a base V6 for $25k.

[dudermagee]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Not rocket science, it just requires a space race budget.

How many FRZs have been sold?

This is a good point.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/why-sci...niche-product/

Basically, everyone who can afford one and wanted one already has one.

The good thing is they're going to be super cheap for a bit, then spike back up in price.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Juke is a runaway sales success and a money maker.

Hell, Honda just released their own version of a Juke with that idiot commercial.

CRX + Delsol + S2000 + Element = HR-V

Puke

Unfortunately the Juke IS a trend-following car to adapt with the emergence of the CUV. (to digress, the Infiniti Q30 CUV looks pretty nice but that's about it)

Anyways, it's sad that Nissan is not doing what Ford is doing in which Ford's keeping their enthusiasts happy.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Unfortunately the Juke IS a trend-following car to adapt with the emergence of the CUV. (to digress, the Infiniti Q30 CUV looks pretty nice but that's about it)



Anyways, it's sad that Nissan is not doing what Ford is doing in which Ford's keeping their enthusiasts happy.

Ford has the volume and global appeal.

The FieST and FocST are global cars with big markets. The Mustang is a global car and transcends basic iconic car culture domesticity.

Nothing Nissan has EVER MADE comes close to matching the mystic, appeal and sentiment cars like the Mustang, Corvette and 911 create.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Not rocket science, it just requires a space race budget.

How many FRZs have been sold?

Precisely why my recommendation spreads the development costs over 3 platforms in the same way Ghosn did when the 350Z & G35 twins were released. That was a great idea. I just want them to repeat that with lighter platform & offer either an I4 turbo or destroked VQ single turbo. I'm not into reinventing the wheel.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Precisely why my recommendation spreads the development costs over 3 platforms in the same way Ghosn did when the 350Z & G35 twins were released. That was a great idea. I just want them to repeat that with lighter platform & offer either an I4 turbo or destroked VQ single turbo. I'm not into reinventing the wheel.

But why?

There has to be a demand. The 350Z was what it was because of platform sharing. Hell, so is the 370Z.

A $25k Mustang turbo is possible because it sells 100k units a year domestically.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Proof Nissan has no fucking clue what they should be doing. The 370 is so long in the tooth for the industry its comical.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/17/n...original-240z/

Do people care about what anyone in the automotive industry has to say? Why do people even bother reading articles like that?

Interview with any representative from any automaker about anything:
"Could. We could, it could, something could."
"It is a possibility."
"We may do that."
"Perhaps in the future."
"We have ideas."
"At this time we would like to focus on..."
"We want to do something different."

In the end, anything said by anyone employed by an automaker has zero substance, and even if they claim to confirm anything, it can still change at any time until the vehicle is actually for sale at dealerships. No need for people to bother reading automotive media only to grasp at straws and speculate.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Ford has the volume and global appeal.

The FieST and FocST are global cars with big markets. The Mustang is a global car and transcends basic iconic car culture domesticity.

Nothing Nissan has EVER MADE comes close to matching the mystic, appeal and sentiment cars like the Mustang, Corvette and 911 create.

I would say the 240z/Fairlady does. It was global car and it's fast turning into a collectable classic now and not on a cult level.

Fact is Nissam fucked up in two major ways that lead to the current situation. One goes back to the 80's and the stupid decision to get rid of the world famous Datsun brand name in favor of Nissan. The other was instead staying truer to the origin of the Z they kept on making it bigger, heavier and to offset used larger engines with more HP as the answer.

Now when Ghosn first came in he indeed tried to take the company back to some basics and actually succeeded in ways. We got the GTR back.
He also did bring the Z back and while not quite true to the 240z it was better than the previous reiteration of Z and managed to give us the G35 as well due to platform sharing.
These cars sold well too.



Though now Ghosn is being typically Renault with Nissan and the thing is they are making money whether we like it or not.
Though for Nissan to remain Nissan he does need to go.