Are there any purist Left on this Board? V. jdm parts etc.

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Are you saying $800 for the lip is warranted or are you making a funny?

You said people are for instant gratification, then proceeded to hype a product which caters to that market. I was simply pointing out the irony in your statement.

The reason why people won't spend $800 for an authentic lip is the same reason why people won't spend money for other authentic parts.

Personally, I am not in that market. But at this day and age, I rather see a clean car built with cheap parts, than a clusterfuck of a car looking like it was drug from the junkyard.

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

!Zar! just doesnt like me...

The moment I saw you were making a lip I sent the link to multiple people I know who fit your market. I even convinced one to sell their FRP lip in order to purchase your lip.

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

...he just likes to harass people in a way that doesnt draw TOO much attention to himself from moderators and admins alike.

I stay within the rules, homie.

[Gio RMS13]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

...older guys ditching their cars because what younger folks are doing to them i think simply boils down to association. i know i have a very VERY hard time interacting with a lot of the younger guys because of how horribly they treat one another (and everyone else for the most part). the 240sx scene has actually gotten a VERY negative view in most peoples eyes simply due to the level of disrespect that is constantly mouthed off with and the shitty attitudes a good amount of 240sx owners have. its quite sad.... but to some people, they dont want to be painted with the same brush so they move on in life.

This is something I don't understand. I don't think age has anything to do with it. I got my S13 in 2009 when I was 17, and even when I was one of those younger guys, I couldn't get along with most s chassis owners I met because of the attitude of the average generic s chassis bro; the majority were, and still are, jackasses. I used to get a lot of flak from locals because I wasn't building my car to drift, and even kept it totally stock for a good while, but not once did I consider selling my car and moving on. I just manned up and ignored it. It comes with the territory, and that's a part of cars in general, not just s chassis. That's why we have things like Zilvia to connect with other like-minded enthusiasts, and now social media if that's more up your alley.

If someone cares so much what people think of them based on the car they drive, that says more about them than it does about the community.

As for 'purists' still being around (I hate that word), there will always be a group of people building cars to a certain standard, and that sets the precedent for everyone else. Leading by example. I know I wouldn't be here if not for the efforts of those who came before me, inspiring the direction I eventually took with my car. Where would I be if I didn't pick up that magazine with Damon and Toby's cars on the cover? If they just said "Screw it" and sold their car and bought an Evo? I know a younger kid who was partly inspired by my car to start a Type X build of his own, so I helped him by answering any questions he had and directing him to who and where he can buy parts from; now he's got a pretty respectable parts collection going, and he's well on his way to a rad car. Granted, that's the exception to the rule, but I still think it's enough to help prove my point.

[CamryOnBronze]

This thread is basically just turning into a collection of "everything the remaining members of Zilvia complain about" thread, lol.

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Dorki's aero is another point: why in the fuck would anyone pay $800 for a God damn Type X lip when his shit fits well and is more durable?

I wish I wasn't wired the way I am, but I will never be able to do it. I can't run a replica part even if it is more affordable or assembled with more care than the original. I can't run a set of TEs that are not coated with the original finish from the Rays factory, even if it's generic white and they were originally white. I have no idea why I am the way I am, but stuff like this drives me absolutely bonkers. No disrespect at all to those that do it because I love to see people seek a quality build and do things right, but it's something I personally will never be able to overcome. It's not because I am an elitist, it's because there is something wrong with me, hahaha.

One thing I have always found interesting is how upset people get about what others do with their cars. I'm definitely guilty of feeling the same way from time to time, but I have seen dozens of people say they are selling their S13 because of "all the young kids in the community ruining them." Shouldn't that be more motivation to keep yours and provide a good example? I won't say that some things people do don't bother me, I guess I have just never been so vocal about it. If you truly enjoy building and tinkering with your car, why should what anyone else is doing matter?

I'm just an overly sappy and nostalgic guy I guess, but I love these cars. They've provided me so much enjoyment and introduced me to so many good people that I now call friends over the years that I can't be bothered with the opinions and actions of others.

At this point posts like this on Zilvia are merely preaching to the choir, but it's cool to see an in-depth discussion with decent traffic like this around here. I miss those days so much, haha. Zilvia is great.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by CamryOnBronze

This thread is basically just turning into a collection of "everything the remaining members of Zilvia complain about" thread, lol.



I wish I wasn't wired the way I am, but I will never be able to do it. I can't run a replica part even if it is more affordable or assembled with more care than the original. I can't run a set of TEs that are not coated with the original finish from the Rays factory, even if it's generic white and they were originally white. I have no idea why I am the way I am, but stuff like this drives me absolutely bonkers. No disrespect at all to those that do it because I love to see people seek a quality build and do things right, but it's something I personally will never be able to overcome. It's not because I am an elitist, it's because there is something wrong with me, hahaha.

One thing I have always found interesting is how upset people get about what others do with their cars. I'm definitely guilty of feeling the same way from time to time, but I have seen dozens of people say they are selling their S13 because of "all the young kids in the community ruining them." Shouldn't that be more motivation to keep yours and provide a good example? I won't say that some things people do don't bother me, I guess I have just never been so vocal about it. If you truly enjoy building and tinkering with your car, why should what anyone else is doing matter?

I'm just an overly sappy and nostalgic guy I guess, but I love these cars. They've provided me so much enjoyment and introduced me to so many good people that I now call friends over the years that I can't be bothered with the opinions and actions of others.

At this point posts like this on Zilvia are merely preaching to the choir, but it's cool to see an in-depth discussion with decent traffic like this around here. I miss those days so much, haha. Zilvia is great.

I used to be that way but there are certain things I just learned to let go. Factory aero is always the best but the last time I had an OEM Type X lip I sold it for $750 and was amazed it went so quickly. I guess, at the end of the day, that's probably one of the only 'icing-on-the-cake' pieces I don't feel the need to spend almost a grand on.

I think people (like me) get upset at other people's cars because we're finally to that point where they aren't becoming a rare sight, they are a rare sight. I don't think for one second every car should be babied and driven the way I drive my cars...but I would hope that everyone takes care of their car. This all goes back to the 'missile' crisis argument of not having a shitty, crumpled beer can and justifying it by saying it's a 'drift slut'.

In the end, the reason why I get so pissed boils down to the same reasons you feel so strongly about these cars as well: the enjoyment and genuine love I have for the chassis. We just externalize it in different ways haha.

Originally Posted by !Zar!

You said people are for instant gratification, then proceeded to hype a product which caters to that market. I was simply pointing out the irony in your statement.

The reason why people won't spend $800 for an authentic lip is the same reason why people won't spend money for other authentic parts.

Personally, I am not in that market. But at this day and age, I rather see a clean car built with cheap parts, than a clusterfuck of a car looking like it was drug from the junkyard.

Irony noted. I think I meant to make a point on that but it's been covered in my reply to Damon. There are certain compromises to be made and an $800 lip is one of them.

Hype though? I was just saying his product fits well at a fraction of the cost. Facts B, word to your Moms. Deadass.

Huboner's car will definitely be this.

Originally Posted by Abeo

Been around 240's for 15+ years, and the elitist "purists" are as insufferable as they were then. Seems like a label that they give themselves to shit all over everything they deem not acceptable.

I'll take an enthusiast over a purist. Note that this isn't about defending shitty parts. It's about shitty people.

No one likes an insufferable cunt. I mean, for what it's worth, the guy that started this thread fancies himself a purist. I guess you either know you're a die-hard purist or it's a label someone gives you.

Purist: a person who insists on absolute adherence to traditional rules or structures, especially in language or style.

I guess when you look up the definition, I don't fit that bill either. I'd enjoy any well-put together car that didn't look like someone had 'unique idea' diarrhea all over their fucking car.

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

...word to your Moms. Deadass.

[dizzariot]

Here are three more reasons why. We'll start with the best let it get worse.

1.) $4500, Clean Title, AC, 90,XXX Miles, and the paint looks great. It's automatic and SOHC. If I was in the market, I'd go for this and figure out the motor and the transmission later. It's OBO so I'd negotiate and see how it goes. Spending a little more initially and having to wait to get the SR/manual trans is worth it...but it doesn't hit that 'instant gratification' box for most.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...412724485.html

2.) $9500, Clean Title, SE, 75,XXX Miles, pearl paint that looks awesome. DOHC but still auto. This is the mid-range seller: trying to make a buck but wants to seem reasonable. Price is still fucking nuts but if this car was EVERYTHING I wanted I could see myself trying to negotaite the price down to ~$7000...after I watched the dude get zero offers at $9500 for a month lol.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...409835503.html

3.) $12,995, Clean Title, SE, 83,XXX Miles, paint still looks good. Automatic...but it only has one owner. This represents the WORST of the bunch. $13k for this shit? Read the summary and you can see these guys are playing on your 'hard-to-find-in-good-shape' ideals.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...409835503.html

Which one does the 'purist' go for? They're all OEM and look like some of the best cars on CL right now...but what is someone willing to pay, and how much work are they willing to put into the car? Most guys shit on the $4500 car because it's Auto/SOHC. No one wants to be bothered with swapping the transmission or sourcing an SR. The third car on the list is keeping it out of the hands of someone (maybe like me) that would pay great price for the car but definitely not what they hope to get. The second car is a manual transmission away from being a fun, awesome car...but the theme of this thread seems to be 'time' and no one is going to want to swap it. It's a shame.

[3NDLESS]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

We live in an age of instant gratification.

Couldn't agree more; I see my friends and teenagers and their ignorant cars with cheap coilovers, "ebay" replica kits, even 100 dollar rims. Sure it pops out, sure they probably feel good about themselves knowing that people break their necks but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From a truck running stock pipes with a clamp-on exhaust tip to a eg6 coupe with replica body aero and unaligned bodylines teenagers are so cheap nowadays...

I'm a teenager too but I stray away from the aforementioned, sure my s13 looks bone stock, because it is. I'm saving money to get parts that are worthwhile. Sure it might take me three years or so to source something or get enough money to buy a part, but as long as I'm not dishing out on some cheapo junk that'll degenerate itself within a day or two then I retain my self-respect for myself and my car. I try to convince my friends to do the same as I, but they just don't have that willpower to simply not take out their credit card.


I don't know how far the term purist expands but I want to [try to] be the "quality" purist kind of guy.

[Reece]

My past few S13s I've built were kind of all a mixture of high quality parts and low quality parts. My basic rule for myself is don't cheap out if it's a part that moves or a part you touch. Suspension, wheels, interior bits I have never cheaped out on, but I've definitely purchased my fair share of ebay exhaust and rads and aero and other miscellaneous shit. With my current car I'm forcing myself to not buy any cheap anything whatsoever, and I'll admit I'm being a massive fanboy but I'm trying to keep the non Japanese brands to a bare minimum. It's taking a hell of a lot more time and money to do it this way, but as of now, my car isn't even close to finished and I'm already so much happier with it than I ever have been with any other car I've owned.

But honestly the smart and efficient way is to just buy whatever is nice and available haha. I kind of think someone who uses all OEM parts is a purist, someone who uses only Japanese aftermarket parts is a purist, and someone who uses quality parts from any other place is a purist. As long as quality is shown I think they fall into the purist category, where the parts come from aren't as important.

[Malik]

I do believe in quality parts; and nice wheels especially.

[Whitey13]

At this point, I'm just happy to see cars where all the body panels match.

[tuzzio]

My light up silvia quarter window louvers came in the mail yesterday.

[DJTTon]

Originally Posted by tuzzio

My light up silvia quarter window louvers came in the mail yesterday.

BRO I have never seen this lit up. Get this goin'!!

[Abeo]

Been around 240's for 15+ years, and the elitist "purists" are as insufferable as they were then. Seems like a label that they give themselves to shit all over everything they deem not acceptable.

I'll take an enthusiast over a purist. Note that this isn't about defending shitty parts. It's about shitty people.

[Sailor]

If I ever run out of salt in the kitchen....

[!Zar!]

lol .

[R3b]

I think purist is the wrong word for it but the best word would be is "style" imo since it can encompass many forms.

Some people love OEM everything which looks sick, other people love the late 90s/00s grassroots style which looks sick, others like the more aggressive/showy D1 style which looks sick, some others like the beat thrashed shakotan cars which look sick.

At the end of the day looks are subjective but one thing is certain and everyone can agree when something has style to it. Not talking about normal bagged/widebody/dished wheels or "drift" missles rattle caned but seeing a car that I would say 99% of people can look at and will appreciate.

You just see it and know.

[feito]

Originally Posted by R3b

Some people love OEM everything which looks sick, other people love the late 90s/00s grassroots style which looks sick, others like the more aggressive/showy D1 style which looks sick, some others like the beat thrashed shakotan cars which look sick.

You sure you didn't forget quotation marks on some of those "sicks"?

[lunchmeat]

I hear purists, I think the concours type attitude. Oem all the way, like it came from the factory.

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[CrimsonRockett]

Originally Posted by lunchmeat

I hear purists, I think the concours type attitude. Oem all the way, like it came from the factory.

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Like that, but personalized if that makes sense.

I love OE style, but with subtle changes that set cars apart.

[!Zar!]

Replace, "purist" with "legit" and this thread makes more sense. But, having legit parts alone is only one piece of the puzzle. Execution is a huge part as well.

Super-D and Final Bout are prime examples of getting all the pieces together: style, performance, and quality.

Building cars isn't a race, yet many people seem to treat it as such.

The community of people building nice cars is still out there.

There are people who build cars and aren't whoreing themselves all over social media. So they may seem non-existant. Especially being as how forums have slowed down so much. Myself? I haven't owned a 240 for 6 years or so. But I'm still talking about cars to people all around the world in a group-chat. All the while trying to push myself to have a legit build on my newest chassis

Instant gratification is very much a thing in American society. Many American car builds are a reflection of that. That why some people seem to want the most amount of different, for the least amount of money. Or why some people rather throw power and angle at a car instead of learning how to drive it.

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Building cars isn't a race, yet many people seem to treat it as such.

Quoted for truth... A lot of my favorite builds over the years, have been the ones where the owner took their time with things. Had an idea or vision and made it a reality.

[Juucso]

For me, a purist is a guy who likes to keep everything OEM or very close to it. Somewhat almost 70% of JZA80 Supra's are in states, kinda OEM+. Very much OEM style with mods that could've been option from factory, like the TRD wing and front lip. After that, some tasteful modifications and replacing worn out stock parts with new or facelift model. Example the OEM 240SX tails look awful for me, but the Type X ones are the best on the market.

For me that S14 in the first post is NOT a purist car. It's a car from a guy who likes the -00 Japan style. Isn't that body kinda ruined for purist? The stock body lines are cutted and replaced with fiberglass. I'd say that the owner appreciates authenticity and the early 2000's Japanese style that you're seeing more and more today. It's not a bad thing at all tho! I love the style.

[!Zar!]

Pretty sure "purist" is the wrong word for what the OP was trying to convey.

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Replace, "purist" with "legit" and this thread makes more sense.

[turboshoebox]

What would u call a car that built with mostly top shelf jdm parts?

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by turboshoebox

What would u call a car that built with mostly top shelf jdm parts?

Originally Posted by !Zar!

"legit"

“Top shelf” parts don’t always make a nice car. It’s all in the execution.

[feito]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

“Top shelf” parts don’t always make a nice car. It’s all in the execution.

Qft
Msglengthblah

[turboshoebox]

The proper execution of course is a given. A great example of poor execution would be the way most formula d cars look.

[Bnr32gtr]

I would agree purist is the wrong word. When I think of purist i think of oem. Most purist don't mod there cars if they do its factory parts like nismo, Toyota trd and so on. The ol heads down the road with old gm muscle car that's anti lsx swaps. That's what I think of purist. That pic of the s14 is what a purist hates and I love so much. My thought of a purist s14 kouki would be Jdm front with Lip, Navan skirts, Jdm kouki rear spats or what ever they called, Jdm kouki wing with a set of r35 wheels on z brakes. I love both styles when executed proper. But I'm a car guy I can appreciate any well built/put together car no matter the chassis.its all about execution/flow. Even if it's not my style

[Standard]

I can relate to some of the things you guys are talking about. The s13 I own currently I purchased in 2008, I can honestly say I don't have any knockoff parts on it and have tried to put it together properly to the best of my ability. That being said it's probably one of the slowest s-chassis builds in the history of the world! The thing is though, 95% of the time the car is completely road worthy and drivable, not a tear apart and sit build. I enjoy the car immensely, and have a strong passion for these cars. I've always felt like I've been in the minority group of 240 owners, I've never once posted my car on social media, working on my 240 is just a personal hobby of mine that current trends don't influence.

The whole instant gratification thing with what seems like mostly the younger generation is so true, not to say all of them are like that though. The point that Zar made I completely agree with, people who respect and build these cars properly are out there more than most people think, and in my opinion will be the future of the s-chassis scene and the majority of owners in the not so distant future.

[mechanicalmoron]

All you instant-gratified kids stay off my lawn...

All you dinosaurs fossilize already.