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McRussellPants · 08-22-2006, 08:52 PM

Caster will fix fire wall, hammer will fix front tub.

Edgar · 08-22-2006, 09:30 PM

Wonder how low I can go with 15's and full aero without my shit breaking off right away

nisans13turbo · 08-22-2006, 10:04 PM

You will be plowing the kids off the streets with your front bumper on 15's + aero.

Z3NK1 · 08-22-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by phreze

another lol, 17's though

Edgar · 08-22-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nisans13turbo

You will be plowing the kids off the streets with your front bumper on 15's + aero.

i figured what about version II with some 16's

2iv0 sx · 08-23-2006, 01:11 AM

damn those wheels are turnin into the next FNs.. i had my mind set on em too

PS- Z3NK1 sideskirts please

TheTimanator · 08-23-2006, 06:32 AM

ha, my car is gonna just like yours Z3NK1 except I'll still be on 15's for a while.

P4rD0nM3 · 08-23-2006, 06:58 AM

Timanator, join the group then. Rofl.

Zenki + Chuki/180 Side + Kouki Rear...Rofl. Classic. I be the red, Z3n be the white and you be the grey.

mr_240sx · 08-23-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by McRussellPants

Caster will fix fire wall, hammer will fix front tub.

how much caster would i need? i know its a vage question but i dont really know what caster does so thats why..... caster move the wheel towards the front of the car?

axiomatik · 08-23-2006, 11:22 AM

google, my friend:

Alignment Terms Explained

naed240sx · 08-23-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mr_240sx

how much caster would i need? i know its a vage question but i dont really know what caster does so thats why..... caster move the wheel towards the front of the car?

How much castor? Depends on how low you are and how much of a problem you have with hitting the wiring harness or firewall. With my kts on full low and 235/40s and stock castor, I had no problems with hitting the harness. This is because I relocated it to the engine bay, and made a custom plate covering the small portion of it that went from the firewall to the hole leading to the engine bay. The plate kinda tucked the harness flush against the firewall, and I never even rubbed the plate. Again, this was with only like - 7.5 degrees castor (stock at that ride height).

Castor is the measure of the inclination of the strut when viewed from the side of the car. Castor determines the amount of camber gain per degree of steering angle. The more castor you have, the more camber you have at full lock.

I'm running like 8 degrees castor with my spl rods, but could go up to around 9.5. I have tons of firewall clearance now.

Buy yourself some adjustable front tension rods and just play around with the settings untill you find one that gives you the clearance you want.

McRussellPants · 08-23-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 2iv0 sx

damn those wheels are turnin into the next FNs.. i had my mind set on em too.

Nah, Poor people can't sling the 600$ difference over FNs so I think I'm safe.

hitman · 08-23-2006, 12:21 PM

plus you wont see the xd9 on many hondas and random cars too. i saw a tacoma with fn's.

caster pulls your wheel forward (more of it). if your doing this just to not hit the wiring harness, you stupid. just relocate it. all you have to do is pull the fender and ziptie it up higher.
adding caster will also lower your car, and change the rest of your alignment, it will add - camber, and toe out (i beleive for the toe, couuld be wrong).
if your car just parks around, and you drive it to the mall and back it doesnt even matter, if you drive it you might want an alignment after you add caster.
you can run between like 6 and 11 degrees of caster. when i was really low i had 11 on one side lol. try like 8-9, then youll need to hammer the front of your fender area. id recomend doing this when your fender is already off for the wiring, just to be safe

chmercer · 08-23-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by McRussellPants

18s are different.

To be low on 18s on an S13 you have to stretch and sink or have retarded spring. Id imagine the only way I could clear 18x10 +0 that it would have to be would be with a 215/40 or something wack like that. 18x9 I could clear with a small tire, but 18x9 XDs look wack.

Its impossible to keep wide 18s out of the front on S13, lindsay breaks/broke tie rods/has tire rammin into everything, D-money is running 2in of preload and his tires still clearance into the fender. Fukada shows on 18x10 up front but still runs 17x9 on the track.

18s up front is rough, and I didn't want to deal with it and I like the way 17/18s look.

wrong

225/45/17 is like exactly the same rolling diameter as 225/40

lindsay broke shit cause he would hit his firewall on lock which is easily fixed with caster

darnells wouldnt rub if he had more camber

i dont know who fukada is so i have no retort for that

also big hammer > fender tub

LOL my rep "chmercer is a glorious beacon of light"

TheSquidd · 08-23-2006, 01:08 PM

Alright, well here's a question for you lowies.

My front end rubs on 17x9 +19 MB gay wheels with 215/45/17's when I drift on anything but a flat surface. It rubs well enough to fuck up a drift, and I have an event coming up I don't want to be dealing with this AT the track. Soo...

Should I:

A. get 40 series tires (205? No cheap 215/40/17's I can find)
B. Lift the front up a bit

C. Just keep sledging the wheel wells (it doesn't seem to be doing anything anymore. I think it's sledged out.)
D. Adjust my tension rods? Should this be done by a professional alignment shop or should I just do it ghetto style like everything else.
E. Eat crap and die.

Flybert · 08-23-2006, 01:21 PM

Use 235/40/17 up front and whatever else you have out back. When you are done at the end of the day, put the 235/40/17 out back and the 215's up front but make sure you have enough room for them back there or just dial in the camber to clear.

VROOOM · 08-23-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hitman

plus you wont see the xd9 on many hondas and random cars too. i saw a tacoma with fn's.

I had FN's on my civic but they were forged! who has actually had the forged FN's???

Hailtothesilvia · 08-23-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquidd

Alright, well here's a question for you lowies.

My front end rubs on 17x9 +19 MB gay wheels with 215/45/17's when I drift on anything but a flat surface. It rubs well enough to fuck up a drift, and I have an event coming up I don't want to be dealing with this AT the track. Soo...

Should I:

A. get 40 series tires (205? No cheap 215/40/17's I can find)
B. Lift the front up a bit

C. Just keep sledging the wheel wells (it doesn't seem to be doing anything anymore. I think it's sledged out.)
D. Adjust my tension rods? Should this be done by a professional alignment shop or should I just do it ghetto style like everything else.
E. Eat crap and die.

F. get wider fenders
G. i got my 215/40/17 ST115 from Discount tires for I think $85 shipped, reasonable enough

TheSquidd · 08-23-2006, 02:16 PM

H. I don't rub the fenders. I rub the firewall / wheel wells. ^_^

*Yuri* · 08-23-2006, 02:21 PM

XD9's are more like the new Work Emotion CR Kai if anything. (I have a feeling Agle Minerva's will be the rich man's XD9 soon enough....)

Sean · 08-23-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquidd

H. I don't rub the fenders. I rub the firewall / wheel wells. ^_^

your tire is too tall.

Flybert · 08-23-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by impactred

XD9's are more like the new Work Emotion CR Kai if anything. (I have a feeling Agle Minerva's will be the rich man's XD9 soon enough....)

So are they bringing them back?

TheSquidd · 08-23-2006, 02:41 PM

Thanks! I will take your recommendation and get some 215/40/17's for the event!

Dousan_PG · 08-23-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybert

So are they bringing them back?

no they arent haha
i think minervas weighed a pretty penny too
its been a while since i lifted some up

anyways minervas are discontinued

and havent heard anything about them coming back

finding good sizes is rough!

*Yuri* · 08-23-2006, 03:12 PM

haha, what I said was based on the interest that Minervas seem to be getting all over the place now, and wheel company's historys of bringing back styles that have become popular and sought after even after they were discontinued.. i.e. SSR with the reverse mesh, alot of stuff here at work, etc.

CrazyIvan · 08-23-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquidd

H. I don't rub the fenders. I rub the firewall / wheel wells. ^_^

I fixede that w/ a 5lbs hammer and some elbow grease

KiDyNomiTe · 08-23-2006, 03:22 PM

Big hammer fails when your car is too low. I rub quite a bit on top and on the firewall. But the firewall rubbing is due to my small amount of caster, should be changed soon. I have 235/40/17 up front and not going smaller or bigger, rubs up top but probably going to raise the car slightly.

Irukandji · 08-23-2006, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquidd

Alright, well here's a question for you lowies.

My front end rubs on 17x9 +19 MB gay wheels with 215/45/17's when I drift on anything but a flat surface. It rubs well enough to fuck up a drift, and I have an event coming up I don't want to be dealing with this AT the track. Soo...

Should I:

A. get 40 series tires (205? No cheap 215/40/17's I can find)
B. Lift the front up a bit

C. Just keep sledging the wheel wells (it doesn't seem to be doing anything anymore. I think it's sledged out.)
D. Adjust my tension rods? Should this be done by a professional alignment shop or should I just do it ghetto style like everything else.
E. Eat crap and die.

I have the same wheels on front and had the exact same issues.
I just spent an hour or two pounding the living shit of the inner fender wells. Get all the little tabs that are sticking out as well above and behind the wheels. After you're done pounding the fender well in, do it some more.

After that I just lightly spray painted over all the spots that I pounded in, and checked it a week later. If the paint rubbed off, you gotta pound that spot in some more.

BTW I'm running 225-45 which are kinda fat, but it will clear with proper alignment and fender banging. Try getting your caster set at 7 at a race alignment shop.

phreze · 08-23-2006, 03:39 PM

Yeah xd-9s will be pop because you can get biggest sizes and lowest offset in 4 or 5 lug. I haven't seen any around me yet and if I only see 10 people with them online who cares? Plus if they ever start becomeing common I will switch wheels or custom powdercoat them.

What size/brand tires are you other xd-9 people running? I'm rocking 215/45/17 f and 235/40/18 r. Might move up to 235/40 in the front next time.

upSLIDEdown · 08-23-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KiDyNomiTe

Big hammer fails when your car is too low. I rub quite a bit on top and on the firewall. But the firewall rubbing is due to my small amount of caster, should be changed soon. I have 235/40/17 up front and not going smaller or bigger, rubs up top but probably going to raise the car slightly.

That's my problem too. I rub up top. I pounded the wheel wells, and they're fine now. That was an 18x8.5 +25 with a 225/40.

08-22-2006, 09:30 PM	#1982
Edgar Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indianapolis,IN Posts: 4,980 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Wonder how low I can go with 15's and full aero without my shit breaking off right away __________________ Drift Indy

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TheTimanator Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 41 Posts: 2,535 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: TheTimanator Feedback Score: 1 reviews	ha, my car is gonna just like yours Z3NK1 except I'll still be on 15's for a while. __________________ 89 S13 hatch/////98 Subaru 2.5RS

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08-23-2006, 12:21 PM	#1993
hitman Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: late 19th century prussia Age: 37 Posts: 1,057 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	plus you wont see the xd9 on many hondas and random cars too. i saw a tacoma with fn's. caster pulls your wheel forward (more of it). if your doing this just to not hit the wiring harness, you stupid. just relocate it. all you have to do is pull the fender and ziptie it up higher. adding caster will also lower your car, and change the rest of your alignment, it will add - camber, and toe out (i beleive for the toe, couuld be wrong). if your car just parks around, and you drive it to the mall and back it doesnt even matter, if you drive it you might want an alignment after you add caster. you can run between like 6 and 11 degrees of caster. when i was really low i had 11 on one side lol. try like 8-9, then youll need to hammer the front of your fender area. id recomend doing this when your fender is already off for the wiring, just to be safe __________________ driftparty.com

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TheSquidd Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Where dirt goes to die. Posts: 3,165 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: TheSquidd Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Alright, well here's a question for you lowies. My front end rubs on 17x9 +19 MB gay wheels with 215/45/17's when I drift on anything but a flat surface. It rubs well enough to fuck up a drift, and I have an event coming up I don't want to be dealing with this AT the track. Soo... Should I: A. get 40 series tires (205? No cheap 215/40/17's I can find) B. Lift the front up a bit C. Just keep sledging the wheel wells (it doesn't seem to be doing anything anymore. I think it's sledged out.) D. Adjust my tension rods? Should this be done by a professional alignment shop or should I just do it ghetto style like everything else. E. Eat crap and die. __________________ www.squidd.org www.violent-running.org

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nisans13turbo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 485 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	You will be plowing the kids off the streets with your front bumper on 15's + aero.

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2iv0 sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lng Bch Calfna Posts: 1,442 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	damn those wheels are turnin into the next FNs.. i had my mind set on em too PS- Z3NK1 sideskirts please

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P4rD0nM3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Not Applicable Posts: 1,183 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Timanator, join the group then. Rofl. Zenki + Chuki/180 Side + Kouki Rear...Rofl. Classic. I be the red, Z3n be the white and you be the grey.

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Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Use 235/40/17 up front and whatever else you have out back. When you are done at the end of the day, put the 235/40/17 out back and the 215's up front but make sure you have enough room for them back there or just dial in the camber to clear.

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TheSquidd Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Where dirt goes to die. Posts: 3,165 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: TheSquidd Feedback Score: 7 reviews	H. I don't rub the fenders. I rub the firewall / wheel wells. ^_^ __________________ www.squidd.org www.violent-running.org

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TheSquidd Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Where dirt goes to die. Posts: 3,165 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: TheSquidd Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Thanks! I will take your recommendation and get some 215/40/17's for the event! __________________ www.squidd.org www.violent-running.org

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KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Big hammer fails when your car is too low. I rub quite a bit on top and on the firewall. But the firewall rubbing is due to my small amount of caster, should be changed soon. I have 235/40/17 up front and not going smaller or bigger, rubs up top but probably going to raise the car slightly. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

08-23-2006, 03:39 PM	#2009
phreze Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Murder City Age: 42 Posts: 673 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah xd-9s will be pop because you can get biggest sizes and lowest offset in 4 or 5 lug. I haven't seen any around me yet and if I only see 10 people with them online who cares? Plus if they ever start becomeing common I will switch wheels or custom powdercoat them. What size/brand tires are you other xd-9 people running? I'm rocking 215/45/17 f and 235/40/18 r. Might move up to 235/40 in the front next time. __________________ "If you rock knock-off, you are part of the problem" -myself