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SiCNastyS13 · 12-09-2006, 08:08 PM

I just bought a 1990 240sx Fastback and I would like to put a set of H.I.D.'s for the headlights, now I'm new to 240's and I've done some research on them but cannot find anything, so do they make them for the flip up headlight's? Links or pictures to a site to buy them would be nice. Thanks Guys

Chris

smelly240 · 12-09-2006, 08:15 PM

please look at this link ...

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=lighting

its a long thread explaining why its a silly idea - and dangerous - and ricer - and lots of reasons why u just plain shouldnt.

next time serach - and ye will find.

mostly - dont put HID lights in the front of ur 240 unless u retrofit housings into the stock stuff - you'll spend like 1000$ easy on that.

articdragon192 · 12-09-2006, 08:29 PM

For HIDs youll need an H4 conversion, but HIDs in pop ups are gay because you'll hella blind incoming traffic.

smelly240 · 12-09-2006, 08:53 PM

its bad... mmmkay

SiCNastyS13 · 12-09-2006, 09:01 PM

Haha, thanks guys. I was just wondering about the HID's in the stock s13 flip ups... Im leaning towards buying a s13 Silvia front end conversion, Ill just do the HID kit on the Silvia front end, Anyone got links/ pics of a place that has good prices on the conversion front ends.

Chris

smelly240 · 12-09-2006, 09:05 PM

ok - thats even worse - there is no HID retrofit or housing made for that front... if u use HIDs in it you will blind people and still not be able to see... the silvia lights have hte worst cutoff/lighting ever - i know i had them for a long time and now went back to flipups

im guessing you didnt read through that link - or you would have read that all already.

articdragon192 · 12-09-2006, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiCNastyS13

Haha, thanks guys. I was just wondering about the HID's in the stock s13 flip ups... Im leaning towards buying a s13 Silvia front end conversion, Ill just do the HID kit on the Silvia front end, Anyone got links/ pics of a place that has good prices on the conversion front ends.

Chris

Even worse. Those projectors point towards on coming traffic.

smelly240 · 12-09-2006, 09:24 PM

you just plain shouldnt use HID's without an oem housing made for HID's. HID doesnt mean good... the link i gave you has some info there that you must have felt was unrelated. good housings and good bulbs make good lighting - not HIDs... they made those add in HID conversions illegal for a reason.

to post an exceprt from daniel stern lighting consultation...

When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are *the* driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.

here is the entire page since you didnt read through the last link (others might like htis - its good material and backed up everything ixfxi told me

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

SiCNastyS13 · 12-09-2006, 09:28 PM

Ya i had the same problem when i owned a 2002 Ford SVT focus, I had projectors on it and the lighting never really hit the road good. When i go for the silvia front conversion ima go with the halogen setup and not the projector style front lights.

Chris

smelly240 · 12-09-2006, 09:29 PM

that wont change the fact HID's dont work with it (i had bricks and projectors and they both blow cock)

CKAMC · 12-09-2006, 09:55 PM

only mike at clearcorners will be able to provide LHD silvia front's if you really want that...but it is still expensive.

all those front end conversions are made for RHD...

you can try this if you like it since you just need to find the right projectors and aim the correctly

http://phase2motorsports.stores.yaho...ni18hekit.html

ohh when i said lhd and rhd i was talkin about beam pattern

articdragon192 · 12-09-2006, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiCNastyS13

Ya i had the same problem when i owned a 2002 Ford SVT focus, I had projectors on it and the lighting never really hit the road good. When i go for the silvia front conversion ima go with the halogen setup and not the projector style front lights.

Chris

Bricks are even worse. It's still RHD "cutoff"/ beam pattern and they suck ass at lighting. Either stick with some quality H4s with good lights and updated wiring, or go Silviaprojectors up front with HID retrofit with OEM USDM projectors/HIDs.

SiCNastyS13 · 12-09-2006, 10:35 PM

I mainly want to convert the front end to the Silvia for the Looks of its, Lighting is nice, but isn't really much of my worrys. I'm not a drifter, i will not drift my 240. I'm building this one for the 1320 my friends. SR will come soon after the front end conversion.

Chris

drew935 · 12-09-2006, 10:50 PM

I have HIDS in my pop-ups. Mine don't blind since I have LHD cutoffs. And yes they still go down. I just need to get bixenon bulbs.

smelly240 · 12-10-2006, 12:04 AM

who said anything about drifting? we're talking about you blinding my mom and her hitting a deer... and if u think HIDs in normal H4 housings are not blinding people - u r mistaken... theres a reason they're illegal.

either pay up for 1000+$ retrofitted TL or BMW housings fitted into your stuff or dont do HID. to quote our resident lighting specialist : "Modern type housings with a competition bulb or even a Good bulb with a harness will rival any proper HID"

SiCNastyS13 · 12-10-2006, 12:06 AM

I was just saying that I'm not too worryed about the lighting and how it reflects. The silvia front end just looks so much cleaner.

Chris

smelly240 · 12-10-2006, 12:20 AM

then you arent driving the car on the street??? then wtf do you want HID's for? car shows? The problem isnt whether YOU can see... its whether you blind other people. If its a track car - you dont use the headlights anyway.

The track has its own lights...

silverarrow27 · 12-10-2006, 12:32 AM

I had one of those HID retrofit kits put on my very first s13 back in 2002. Still on the s13, lighting is better than stock and from experience it does not blind oncoming traffic.

SiCNastyS13 · 12-10-2006, 12:32 AM

Truthfully you'll only be blind for a sec. when you past me on the street, so basically it don't matter to me if i blind you with my lights...haha

Chris

Dousan_PG · 12-10-2006, 12:33 AM

he doesnt get it smelly
hahahaa
its funny

nrg · 12-10-2006, 12:53 AM

do what this guy did: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/view...1c1d4dd44d788e
you need to register to see the thread. TSX projectors 4300K OEM bulbs = awesome results.
Results:

!Zar! · 12-10-2006, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

MUST READ before getting a drop-in HID kit!

S13 Silvia Headlamp bulbs FAQ READ ME FIRST (headlight bulb projector halogen fog)
S13 silvia HID question.

S13 Quality Lighting??

This was from less than three days ago.

Why couldn't you search?

mistaanime · 12-10-2006, 01:55 AM

really...why lag this thread so much..just search..want better lighting? just drive during the day!

articdragon192 · 12-10-2006, 02:19 AM

The projectors in the H4 unit looks like ass.

Anto · 12-10-2006, 04:47 AM

Retrofits don't cost that much if you DIY. Prices have gone down from back in '03 when I actively retrofitted.

OEM Bulbs and Ballast = $200 tops.
Projectors $100-$300
Misc. $50 tops.

So there you have it. $350-$550+ for a retrofit. I personally snagged deals on ebay and got mine done with Lexus RX330 projectors for $200 (everything).

In the HIDplanet thread, the OP stated that he lost his flip-up function. Not good, because you know you'll get jacked! The best way to retrofit would be to stick a projector into the silvia double/triple projector housing. It's been done many, many times. I've seen 2.5" TSX projectors stuck in the silvia housing, but i'm personally going for the 3" ZKW / TL Hybrid projector. Hopefullllly it fits when I gather enough money. In the case of the silvia housings, since there is a seperate high beam, you don't need bi-xenon projectors. You can rock single xenon and still have a high beam.

Anto · 12-10-2006, 04:54 AM

Oh yeah, back when I retrofitted into a popup headlight housing, I had to
watch clearance from behind the headlight. This was on a 3rd gen prelude, however the concept is still the same. Aside from space constraints, another major problem you'll have is HEADLIGHT SHAKE. I haven't personally examined the assembly, but i'm sure that old 240's will have loose and/or worn out parts in the retractor assembly, so the beam flickers up and down. Combine this with the sharp cutoff of an HID projector, and you've got trouble. Aside from the fact that it looks like you're constantly high-beaming people, you'll attract attention from the police.
Bad attention.
Really.

smelly240 · 12-10-2006, 10:22 AM

retrofit this

it looks like terdsauce, and this guy isnt going to retrofit the Silvia lights anyways...

he doesnt car if his car sucks - so why should we (cept for the fact hes gonna blind someones mom and shes going to hit a tree)...

he wont do any of this stuff anyway... if hes building a 240 for drag - whatever... i think its all a pipedream.

SoSideways · 12-10-2006, 10:32 AM

I think it's funny that the thread starter's playing the e-thug card and all this and all that, and claims he's building his 240 for the 1320.

If it's being built for the 1320, why is he worrying about lighting and Silvia front ends and stuff? That $1000+ could easily be put into building a badass SR or KA and be well on its way to 600+ rwhp.

But nope, Silvia front conversion comes first guys.

KiDyNomiTe · 12-10-2006, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by articdragon192

The projectors in the H4 unit looks like ass.

Ya, I was about to buy some cheapo H4 projector housing but I couldnt stand to look at them, and I keep my headlights up all the time.

I like my crappy but brighter than stock lighting. I have yet to kill anyone

***FaLKoN240*** · 12-10-2006, 12:10 PM

Basically everyone on this forum is an HID specialist now because they listened to what Mike from clearcorners.com said. If you want to get the real deal and some good advice go to HIDplanet.com or Clearcorners.com

(I don't care if someone already said that.)

12-09-2006, 08:08 PM	#1
SiCNastyS13 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lynnwood, WA Age: 38 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	H.I.D.'s on a S13? Stock front end... I just bought a 1990 240sx Fastback and I would like to put a set of H.I.D.'s for the headlights, now I'm new to 240's and I've done some research on them but cannot find anything, so do they make them for the flip up headlight's? Links or pictures to a site to buy them would be nice. Thanks Guys Chris

12-09-2006, 09:55 PM	#11
CKAMC Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Desert Age: 38 Posts: 4,804 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	only mike at clearcorners will be able to provide LHD silvia front's if you really want that...but it is still expensive. all those front end conversions are made for RHD... you can try this if you like it since you just need to find the right projectors and aim the correctly http://phase2motorsports.stores.yaho...ni18hekit.html ohh when i said lhd and rhd i was talkin about beam pattern __________________

12-09-2006, 10:50 PM	#14
drew935 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Silver Creek - San Jose Posts: 996 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have HIDS in my pop-ups. Mine don't blind since I have LHD cutoffs. And yes they still go down. I just need to get bixenon bulbs. __________________ I'm driving fast -drew

12-10-2006, 12:32 AM	#18
silverarrow27 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Banning, CA Posts: 1,428 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	I had one of those HID retrofit kits put on my very first s13 back in 2002. Still on the s13, lighting is better than stock and from experience it does not blind oncoming traffic. __________________ 1989 240sx XE\|2002 Frontier SC CC LB 4wd\|2011 Pathfinder LE V8 4wd

12-10-2006, 12:33 AM	#20
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	he doesnt get it smelly hahahaa its funny __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

12-09-2006, 08:15 PM	#2
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	please look at this link ... http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=lighting its a long thread explaining why its a silly idea - and dangerous - and ricer - and lots of reasons why u just plain shouldnt. next time serach - and ye will find. mostly - dont put HID lights in the front of ur 240 unless u retrofit housings into the stock stuff - you'll spend like 1000$ easy on that.

12-09-2006, 08:29 PM	#3
articdragon192 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West covina Age: 39 Posts: 6,792 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	For HIDs youll need an H4 conversion, but HIDs in pop ups are gay because you'll hella blind incoming traffic.

12-09-2006, 08:53 PM	#4
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	its bad... mmmkay

12-09-2006, 09:01 PM	#5
SiCNastyS13 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lynnwood, WA Age: 38 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Haha, thanks guys. I was just wondering about the HID's in the stock s13 flip ups... Im leaning towards buying a s13 Silvia front end conversion, Ill just do the HID kit on the Silvia front end, Anyone got links/ pics of a place that has good prices on the conversion front ends. Chris

12-09-2006, 09:05 PM	#6
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	ok - thats even worse - there is no HID retrofit or housing made for that front... if u use HIDs in it you will blind people and still not be able to see... the silvia lights have hte worst cutoff/lighting ever - i know i had them for a long time and now went back to flipups im guessing you didnt read through that link - or you would have read that all already.

12-09-2006, 09:24 PM	#8
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	you just plain shouldnt use HID's without an oem housing made for HID's. HID doesnt mean good... the link i gave you has some info there that you must have felt was unrelated. good housings and good bulbs make good lighting - not HIDs... they made those add in HID conversions illegal for a reason. to post an exceprt from daniel stern lighting consultation... When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are the driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly. here is the entire page since you didnt read through the last link (others might like htis - its good material and backed up everything ixfxi told me http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

12-09-2006, 09:28 PM	#9
SiCNastyS13 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lynnwood, WA Age: 38 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ya i had the same problem when i owned a 2002 Ford SVT focus, I had projectors on it and the lighting never really hit the road good. When i go for the silvia front conversion ima go with the halogen setup and not the projector style front lights. Chris

12-09-2006, 09:29 PM	#10
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	that wont change the fact HID's dont work with it (i had bricks and projectors and they both blow cock)

12-09-2006, 10:35 PM	#13
SiCNastyS13 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lynnwood, WA Age: 38 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I mainly want to convert the front end to the Silvia for the Looks of its, Lighting is nice, but isn't really much of my worrys. I'm not a drifter, i will not drift my 240. I'm building this one for the 1320 my friends. SR will come soon after the front end conversion. Chris

12-10-2006, 12:04 AM	#15
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	who said anything about drifting? we're talking about you blinding my mom and her hitting a deer... and if u think HIDs in normal H4 housings are not blinding people - u r mistaken... theres a reason they're illegal. either pay up for 1000+$ retrofitted TL or BMW housings fitted into your stuff or dont do HID. to quote our resident lighting specialist : "Modern type housings with a competition bulb or even a Good bulb with a harness will rival any proper HID"

12-10-2006, 12:06 AM	#16
SiCNastyS13 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lynnwood, WA Age: 38 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was just saying that I'm not too worryed about the lighting and how it reflects. The silvia front end just looks so much cleaner. Chris

12-10-2006, 12:20 AM	#17
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	then you arent driving the car on the street??? then wtf do you want HID's for? car shows? The problem isnt whether YOU can see... its whether you blind other people. If its a track car - you dont use the headlights anyway. The track has its own lights...

12-10-2006, 12:53 AM	#21
nrg Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CA Age: 40 Posts: 1,571 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	do what this guy did: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/view...1c1d4dd44d788e you need to register to see the thread. TSX projectors 4300K OEM bulbs = awesome results. Results: __________________ driftingisgay.com

12-10-2006, 01:55 AM	#23
mistaanime Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nine -1- Six Posts: 1,934 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	really...why lag this thread so much..just search..want better lighting? just drive during the day! __________________ -Cherry Red 91 Silfourty-

12-10-2006, 02:19 AM	#24
articdragon192 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West covina Age: 39 Posts: 6,792 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	The projectors in the H4 unit looks like ass.

12-10-2006, 04:47 AM	#25
Anto Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 862 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Retrofits don't cost that much if you DIY. Prices have gone down from back in '03 when I actively retrofitted. OEM Bulbs and Ballast = $200 tops. Projectors $100-$300 Misc. $50 tops. So there you have it. $350-$550+ for a retrofit. I personally snagged deals on ebay and got mine done with Lexus RX330 projectors for $200 (everything). In the HIDplanet thread, the OP stated that he lost his flip-up function. Not good, because you know you'll get jacked! The best way to retrofit would be to stick a projector into the silvia double/triple projector housing. It's been done many, many times. I've seen 2.5" TSX projectors stuck in the silvia housing, but i'm personally going for the 3" ZKW / TL Hybrid projector. Hopefullllly it fits when I gather enough money. In the case of the silvia housings, since there is a seperate high beam, you don't need bi-xenon projectors. You can rock single xenon and still have a high beam.

12-10-2006, 04:54 AM	#26
Anto Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 862 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Oh yeah, back when I retrofitted into a popup headlight housing, I had to watch clearance from behind the headlight. This was on a 3rd gen prelude, however the concept is still the same. Aside from space constraints, another major problem you'll have is HEADLIGHT SHAKE. I haven't personally examined the assembly, but i'm sure that old 240's will have loose and/or worn out parts in the retractor assembly, so the beam flickers up and down. Combine this with the sharp cutoff of an HID projector, and you've got trouble. Aside from the fact that it looks like you're constantly high-beaming people, you'll attract attention from the police. Bad attention. Really.

12-10-2006, 10:22 AM	#27
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 47 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	retrofit this it looks like terdsauce, and this guy isnt going to retrofit the Silvia lights anyways... he doesnt car if his car sucks - so why should we (cept for the fact hes gonna blind someones mom and shes going to hit a tree)... he wont do any of this stuff anyway... if hes building a 240 for drag - whatever... i think its all a pipedream.

12-10-2006, 10:32 AM	#28
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I think it's funny that the thread starter's playing the e-thug card and all this and all that, and claims he's building his 240 for the 1320. If it's being built for the 1320, why is he worrying about lighting and Silvia front ends and stuff? That $1000+ could easily be put into building a badass SR or KA and be well on its way to 600+ rwhp. But nope, Silvia front conversion comes first guys. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

12-10-2006, 12:10 PM	#30
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,893 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	Basically everyone on this forum is an HID specialist now because they listened to what Mike from clearcorners.com said. If you want to get the real deal and some good advice go to HIDplanet.com or Clearcorners.com (I don't care if someone already said that.) __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.