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Old 02-26-2007, 02:39 PM   #1
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So, your solution is,
Top mount manifold($1200)
Turbo($1500)
Downpipe($400)
Wastgate($350)

Throwing money at the problem is the solution?
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So, your solution is,
Top mount manifold($1200)
Turbo($1500)
Downpipe($400)
Wastgate($350)

Throwing money at the problem is the solution?
dude that was funny as hell lol..

BTW where did you get the black wrap from, or did you just paint it black. looks awesome
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So, your solution is,
Top mount manifold($1200)
Turbo($1500)
Downpipe($400)
Wastgate($350)

Throwing money at the problem is the solution?
Or, unwrap the manifold and leave it exposed ($0). I agree, heatwrap does more harm than good in the cars I've seen it on. We unwrapped a Hotshot header one time only to have it crumble into pieces where the wrap was laid between the runners.
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So, your solution is,
Top mount manifold($1200)
Turbo($1500)
Downpipe($400)
Wastgate($350)

Throwing money at the problem is the solution?
hybridynamics or peak boost kit...

-manifold is 750 bucks dude.
-wg is like 250 if you get 38mm
-turbo (50 trim to4e/t3) which will output more than enough like 550 buks(450whp) (use .63 ar turbine with 0-trim turbine wheel for insanity).
-downpipe is like 150 bucks max if you have one custom made by a muffler shop (where the hell did you get 400 maybe if you get the kit one).

I mean how much are you honestly investing in making "stable" power and "stable boost" with your bottom mount internal setup?

I don't even understand why people even bother using these setups for goals over 330whp

pretty fricken cheap if you ask me and night and day comparison in tuning, boost stability and efficency as well as ease of working with the system, i mean the gains and reasons for this are endless...

if your adamant on convincing yourself this costs 1000000 dollars

then maybe you should just sell the silk road manifold and get a tomei...

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hybridynamics or peak boost kit...

-manifold is 750 bucks dude.
-wg is like 250 if you get 38mm
-turbo (50 trim to4e/t3) which will output more than enough like 550 buks(450whp) (use .63 ar turbine with 0-trim turbine wheel for insanity).
-downpipe is like 150 bucks max if you have one custom made by a muffler shop (where the hell did you get 400 maybe if you get the kit one).

I mean how much are you honestly investing in making "stable" power and "stable boost" with your bottom mount internal setup?

I don't even understand why people even bother using these setups for goals over 330whp

pretty fricken cheap if you ask me and night and day comparison in tuning, boost stability and efficency as well as ease of working with the system, i mean the gains and reasons for this are endless...

if your adamant on convincing yourself this costs 1000000 dollars

then maybe you should just sell the silk road manifold and get a tomei...

tomeir clears very nicely.
$1700 solution that leaves me with a laggy ass turbo from the 80's...

My goals are only 300hp. Quick response, MPG and streetability. Stock T28 fits that bill just fine.

The goal is not to throw money at a problem. It's to find a solution that still fits your goals. Shaving is the cheapest and looks like it will work with no negatives. The next would be to get another manifold that fits better. I just wanted to know if the cheapest solution was feasible.

Why did the Tomei manifolds ship with wrap in that one Group Buy?
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$1700 solution that leaves me with a laggy ass turbo from the 80's...

My goals are only 300hp. Quick response, MPG and streetability. Stock T28 fits that bill just fine.

The goal is not to throw money at a problem. It's to find a solution that still fits your goals. Shaving is the cheapest and looks like it will work with no negatives. The next would be to get another manifold that fits better. I just wanted to know if the cheapest solution was feasible.

Why did the Tomei manifolds ship with wrap in that one Group Buy?
really? a laggy ass turbo from the 80s? man you are talking far out of your ass.

a 40 trim to4e will get you 300whp and even more torque and is about 1/3 the cost of "turbo from the future" is i guess where your going.

It will spool up faster than youd even want, but i know you wont try it so im going to give up on converting you.

bottom mount is fine, your manifold is just f-ed apparently...call them up ask them what the deal is with their product...

or do they only speak japanese...you can read kanji right?

In ref to tomei and the group buy I dont even know what your talking about. Does tomei suggest you used header wrap on their

manifold? That would indeed be INTERESTING to find out.
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really? a laggy ass turbo from the 80s? man you are talking far out of your ass.

a 40 trim to4e will get you 300whp and even more torque and is about 1/3 the cost of "turbo from the future" is i guess where your going.

It will spool up faster than youd even want, but i know you wont try it so im going to give up on converting you.

bottom mount is fine, your manifold is just f-ed apparently...call them up ask them what the deal is with their product...

or do they only speak japanese...you can read kanji right?

In ref to tomei and the group buy I dont even know what your talking about. Does tomei suggest you used header wrap on their

manifold? That would indeed be INTERESTING to find out.
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The 4th runner seems to have a bigger loop in it than the official photo and other photo's I have of it. The Problem now is that it has been modified. I may just find a lucky S13SR owner and see if it bolts up.

Looking at getting a Megan 321 manifold and replacing as they crack. 5 for the price of one Silkroad or Tomei. Also, deciding weather I need to look at whether the turbo seals are gone or not.
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