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Lone_Drifter · 08-13-2002, 01:12 AM

Can some one help? I was drifting at and flew into a fence, and my engine is like pushed to the right of the car like 2 inches and my shifter is like tilting to the right also.  I think it's the motor mounts, but i'm not sure how to change them.
Any help would be appreciated. thanks.

misnomer · 08-13-2002, 01:23 AM

I'll spare the lecture. . .

Check out your chassis. If your engine and shifter are moved, odds are you flarked up your unibody.

<edit> I'm such a pottymouth

Lone_Drifter · 08-13-2002, 02:23 AM

I don't think the chassis is damaged. I only scraped the front bumper on the fence.  I didn't really hit it, only scraped it. There is not much damaged to the car, the only real damage i see is that the engine is pushed to the right.

adey · 08-13-2002, 02:27 AM

.......75mph drift?? ......

if that's the "only" litle iddy bits of damage that you can see, I'm sure it's no problem at all. I mean, it's only the whole engine that's shifted; who knows what position the tranny and the rest of the drivetrane are in!
... (note the heavy sarcasm)...

seriously though, your enging being shifted 2" doesn't sound too good. How you could have done it by 'scraping a fence' is beyond me though. I would have to recommend taking it to a shop to get it professionally looked at.

Lone_Drifter · 08-13-2002, 02:36 AM

well, I was going sideways and got too close to the fence on the inside of the turn. when i scraped/hit it, my car spun out and stalled. The reason it stalled is because when the engine was shifted, it yanked apart the vacum hose goin to the brake booster. THere are no major dents on the fenders, almost no damage. the car even ran, all the way home. The only problem is that the shifter is tilted to the right, and since my engine is shifted to the right, the fan is tearing up the shroud. i really don't think it's chassis damage, i just need any tips or instructions on how to change out the motor mounts.

xhdriver · 08-13-2002, 06:13 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only problem is that the shifter is tilted to the right</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

just take it out of fifth lol

your story makes no sense to me and i dont believe you.
but if your really gonna change your mounts, (wich will not help unless your missing one now, and your not),
you have to...

un bolt the mounts from the car,(one bolt on the two sides)
or
unbolt them form the motor,(4 bolts on each side)
and
lift the motor until the motor is free of the chassis
then
swap out the mounts
finally
drop the motor down right, and bolt it back up

of course you have to remove a bunch of crap to get enough room too, but all in all its a bout a 15 minute job.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

bbp · 08-13-2002, 06:57 AM

I'm not sure why I am helping yuo since I am with the anti-drift crowd....  but...

It is entirely possible that you have torn the rubber bushing in the motor mount.  It is very common for cars to tear motor mount under side impact.  You will see this due to the fact that many mounts are liquid filled (like TC Rods) and are not designed to have lateral movement, they are designed to cradle the motor.

Hope you had fun drifting on the streets.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

issed:'>

Lone_Drifter · 08-13-2002, 07:43 PM

ok everyone. thanks. i see that it is the mount, and the one on the left(driver side) is torn. thanks for all the help

tnord · 08-13-2002, 07:51 PM

now that WE have helped YOU, it's YOUR turn to help US.

stop drifting on the streets where i drive you f'n douchebag.

*DSC* · 08-13-2002, 07:58 PM

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> travis...somtimes man, I just really like your style.

Lone_Drifter, i'll say that I don't think much more of street drifters than I do drunk drivers. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

I welcome you to our forum where you can't hurt me, but I don't much like you on my streets.

Now to add, even if your hose didn't rip off, you prolly still would have stalled. Spinning/going backwards in a forward gear will genarally stall an engine.

I don't quite get how taping a fence would have enough force to damage your motor mounts but not damage the body/frame of your car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

MarketPlayer · 08-14-2002, 09:52 AM

Not that i condone STREET Drifting, but we don't even know the whole situation.  I have been drifting before out in the middle of nowhere, and it was on streets!  This may be the same situation.  Sometimes I feel like my mom is sitting on another PC yelling at other members for doing things that kids do!  Stop growing up so damn fast Zilvia.net!
-zac

240 2NR · 08-14-2002, 10:34 AM

The problem with street drifting is the same reason everyone would be mad at me for honing my Solo I skills by driving a proper apex line across both lanes of traffic. You just don't know what's around the next corner. As empty as you think a road may be there could always be a car coming the other way. At a track, everyone has assumed some risk by being there. On the street I'm not assuming the risk of someone going 75mph around a corner sideways as cool as it looks.

At the same time, most "drifters" who are out honing there skills, generally have no drifting ability at all and are more or less driving out of control as they learn to drift. Yes, real drifters are in pretty good control of their cars. The kids who go out at 75mph, drive off the road and hit a fence were out of control.

chickenmanq · 08-14-2002, 02:06 PM

Not that I don't think drifting is fun, but let's also remember in street driving it's not the fastest way around the corner.  Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

Oh yeah, advice:  Don't hit fences anywhere close to 75 mph.

MarketPlayer · 08-15-2002, 12:31 PM

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'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually i have seen a few of them drift ON PURPOSE around some tight corners.  If the turn isn't very sharp then no drifting is faster, but in tight situations you can keep more speed by throwing the ass end out!

tnord · 08-15-2002, 02:22 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarketPlayer @ Aug. 15 2002,1:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--chickenmanq+Aug. 14 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Aug. 14 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually i have seen a few of them drift ON PURPOSE around some tight corners. If the turn isn't very sharp then no drifting is faster, but in tight situations you can keep more speed by throwing the ass end out!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lies lies lies

they do not do it on purpose, and if they do, they sure as hell aren't gonna win anything. ever watch a race at monaco? obviously not. that track has the tightest, slowest sections of anywhere i'm aware of on the F1 circuit, and i can tell you, i didn't see coultard, either schumacher, montoya, kimi, or anybody else do it.....EVER (at least not the type of drifting the average JDM whore thinks of)

MrMigs · 08-15-2002, 02:32 PM

Actually, if you drive up in the mountains/canyons at night, it's a little bit well... safer...only in this way: It's only safer because you can "see" cars around a corner thanks to their headlights. The way it works where I go is if you see headlights you always slow down.

But then again, it's night-time, so your overall visibility sucks. You might be able to see headlights easier, but it's harder to see the road... plus all the little animals come out at night. I almost hit the same fox going up and down a mountain. That little bastard must have had a death wish or something. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

cbass · 08-15-2002, 05:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 15 2002,3:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarketPlayer @ Aug. 15 2002,1:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Aug. 14 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually i have seen a few of them drift ON PURPOSE around some tight corners. If the turn isn't very sharp then no drifting is faster, but in tight situations you can keep more speed by throwing the ass end out!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lies lies lies

they do not do it on purpose, and if they do, they sure as hell aren't gonna win anything. ever watch a race at monaco? obviously not. that track has the tightest, slowest sections of anywhere i'm aware of on the F1 circuit, and i can tell you, i didn't see coultard, either schumacher, montoya, kimi, or anybody else do it.....EVER (at least not the type of drifting the average JDM whore thinks of)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually, almost all F1 drivers use properly controlled oversteer.  Are you familiar with active yaw control?  It means the inner rear tire spins past it's traction limit, and the car turns faster with less steering input.

They don't get mad initial D 4 wheel drifts with a 60 degree drift, but they do drift.

tnord · 08-15-2002, 07:36 PM

yes yes, i'm familiar with the technical definition of "drifting," and i'm aware that pretty much every decent racer uses it, hell, even i do. but i'm also aware that 95% of this board doesn't have any idea what the difference is between useful drifting and the tail out jackassery that you see on the vids everybody posts up.

Lone_Drifter · 08-15-2002, 08:45 PM

I really would rather drift on a track, but i don'tk now where one is near lousiiana.  If anyone can tell me where one is, i'd be glad to pay the extra money to go.  after all, money spent on repairs would probally be more significant than paying for using a track.

bing · 08-15-2002, 11:55 PM

u is no wheres near me,

DRIFT ON!!!!!

hope u dont kill anyone but urself

thewholefnshow · 08-16-2002, 07:13 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 14 2002,9:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tail out jackassery</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Lol.... "jasckassery" that is great stuff... and yeah, how do u drift through a fence? where there hell are there fences that close to a road that you do 75 mph on... sorry, this one is goin up on the wall of retard.... holy cow.

"I accidentally drifted through a fence"
"I accidentally got your daughter pregnant"
"I accidentally broke into your house and got caught carrying out your tv..."

08-13-2002, 01:23 AM	#2
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll spare the lecture. . . Check out your chassis. If your engine and shifter are moved, odds are you flarked up your unibody. <edit> I'm such a pottymouth __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!

08-13-2002, 02:27 AM	#4
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	.......75mph drift?? ...... if that's the "only" litle iddy bits of damage that you can see, I'm sure it's no problem at all. I mean, it's only the whole engine that's shifted; who knows what position the tranny and the rest of the drivetrane are in! ... (note the heavy sarcasm)... seriously though, your enging being shifted 2" doesn't sound too good. How you could have done it by 'scraping a fence' is beyond me though. I would have to recommend taking it to a shop to get it professionally looked at. __________________ Instagram: @SX180HKG

08-13-2002, 06:13 AM	#6
xhdriver Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 6 Posts: 273 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only problem is that the shifter is tilted to the right</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> just take it out of fifth lol your story makes no sense to me and i dont believe you. but if your really gonna change your mounts, (wich will not help unless your missing one now, and your not), you have to... un bolt the mounts from the car,(one bolt on the two sides) or unbolt them form the motor,(4 bolts on each side) and lift the motor until the motor is free of the chassis then swap out the mounts finally drop the motor down right, and bolt it back up of course you have to remove a bunch of crap to get enough room too, but all in all its a bout a 15 minute job. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> __________________

08-13-2002, 06:57 AM	#7
bbp Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: oHIo Age: 53 Posts: 477 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not sure why I am helping yuo since I am with the anti-drift crowd....  but... It is entirely possible that you have torn the rubber bushing in the motor mount.  It is very common for cars to tear motor mount under side impact.  You will see this due to the fact that many mounts are liquid filled (like TC Rods) and are not designed to have lateral movement, they are designed to cradle the motor. Hope you had fun drifting on the streets.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'> __________________

08-13-2002, 07:58 PM	#10
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> travis...somtimes man, I just really like your style. Lone_Drifter, i'll say that I don't think much more of street drifters than I do drunk drivers. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> I welcome you to our forum where you can't hurt me, but I don't much like you on my streets. Now to add, even if your hose didn't rip off, you prolly still would have stalled. Spinning/going backwards in a forward gear will genarally stall an engine. I don't quite get how taping a fence would have enough force to damage your motor mounts but not damage the body/frame of your car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'> __________________

08-13-2002, 01:12 AM	#1
Lone_Drifter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Can some one help? I was drifting at and flew into a fence, and my engine is like pushed to the right of the car like 2 inches and my shifter is like tilting to the right also.  I think it's the motor mounts, but i'm not sure how to change them. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.

08-13-2002, 02:23 AM	#3
Lone_Drifter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think the chassis is damaged. I only scraped the front bumper on the fence.  I didn't really hit it, only scraped it. There is not much damaged to the car, the only real damage i see is that the engine is pushed to the right.

08-13-2002, 02:36 AM	#5
Lone_Drifter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well, I was going sideways and got too close to the fence on the inside of the turn. when i scraped/hit it, my car spun out and stalled. The reason it stalled is because when the engine was shifted, it yanked apart the vacum hose goin to the brake booster. THere are no major dents on the fenders, almost no damage. the car even ran, all the way home. The only problem is that the shifter is tilted to the right, and since my engine is shifted to the right, the fan is tearing up the shroud. i really don't think it's chassis damage, i just need any tips or instructions on how to change out the motor mounts.

08-13-2002, 07:43 PM	#8
Lone_Drifter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok everyone. thanks. i see that it is the mount, and the one on the left(driver side) is torn. thanks for all the help

08-13-2002, 07:51 PM	#9
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	now that WE have helped YOU, it's YOUR turn to help US. stop drifting on the streets where i drive you f'n douchebag.

08-14-2002, 09:52 AM	#11
MarketPlayer Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not that i condone STREET Drifting, but we don't even know the whole situation.  I have been drifting before out in the middle of nowhere, and it was on streets!  This may be the same situation.  Sometimes I feel like my mom is sitting on another PC yelling at other members for doing things that kids do!  Stop growing up so damn fast Zilvia.net! -zac

08-14-2002, 10:34 AM	#12
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The problem with street drifting is the same reason everyone would be mad at me for honing my Solo I skills by driving a proper apex line across both lanes of traffic. You just don't know what's around the next corner. As empty as you think a road may be there could always be a car coming the other way. At a track, everyone has assumed some risk by being there. On the street I'm not assuming the risk of someone going 75mph around a corner sideways as cool as it looks. At the same time, most "drifters" who are out honing there skills, generally have no drifting ability at all and are more or less driving out of control as they learn to drift. Yes, real drifters are in pretty good control of their cars. The kids who go out at 75mph, drive off the road and hit a fence were out of control. __________________ Steve 93 240sx FB currently very clean and for sale

08-14-2002, 02:06 PM	#13
chickenmanq Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,000 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not that I don't think drifting is fun, but let's also remember in street driving it's not the fastest way around the corner.  Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Oh yeah, advice:  Don't hit fences anywhere close to 75 mph. __________________ <img src=http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~mka/av620b.jpg> -"Yeah? Well Your Mom Drives A Civic Type R!" 81 Honda Accord Hatchback. EK1 engine. 78 Datsun 620. L20B engine. I'll try to have pics soon. Check the website for more. http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~mka

08-15-2002, 12:31 PM	#14
MarketPlayer Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Aug. 14 2002,3:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Actually i have seen a few of them drift ON PURPOSE around some tight corners.  If the turn isn't very sharp then no drifting is faster, but in tight situations you can keep more speed by throwing the ass end out!

08-15-2002, 02:22 PM	#15
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarketPlayer @ Aug. 15 2002,1:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--chickenmanq+Aug. 14 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Aug. 14 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Actually i have seen a few of them drift ON PURPOSE around some tight corners. If the turn isn't very sharp then no drifting is faster, but in tight situations you can keep more speed by throwing the ass end out!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> lies lies lies they do not do it on purpose, and if they do, they sure as hell aren't gonna win anything. ever watch a race at monaco? obviously not. that track has the tightest, slowest sections of anywhere i'm aware of on the F1 circuit, and i can tell you, i didn't see coultard, either schumacher, montoya, kimi, or anybody else do it.....EVER (at least not the type of drifting the average JDM whore thinks of)

08-15-2002, 02:32 PM	#16
MrMigs Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Gabriel, CA Age: 41 Posts: 1,675 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Actually, if you drive up in the mountains/canyons at night, it's a little bit well... safer...only in this way: It's only safer because you can "see" cars around a corner thanks to their headlights. The way it works where I go is if you see headlights you always slow down. But then again, it's night-time, so your overall visibility sucks. You might be able to see headlights easier, but it's harder to see the road... plus all the little animals come out at night. I almost hit the same fox going up and down a mountain. That little bastard must have had a death wish or something. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> __________________ Drifting is just a compromise between you and your car.

08-15-2002, 05:04 PM	#17
cbass Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 15 2002,3:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarketPlayer @ Aug. 15 2002,1:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Aug. 14 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you see F1 cars drifting corners? <!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Actually i have seen a few of them drift ON PURPOSE around some tight corners. If the turn isn't very sharp then no drifting is faster, but in tight situations you can keep more speed by throwing the ass end out!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> lies lies lies they do not do it on purpose, and if they do, they sure as hell aren't gonna win anything. ever watch a race at monaco? obviously not. that track has the tightest, slowest sections of anywhere i'm aware of on the F1 circuit, and i can tell you, i didn't see coultard, either schumacher, montoya, kimi, or anybody else do it.....EVER (at least not the type of drifting the average JDM whore thinks of)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Actually, almost all F1 drivers use properly controlled oversteer.  Are you familiar with active yaw control?  It means the inner rear tire spins past it's traction limit, and the car turns faster with less steering input. They don't get mad initial D 4 wheel drifts with a 60 degree drift, but they do drift.

08-15-2002, 07:36 PM	#18
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes yes, i'm familiar with the technical definition of "drifting," and i'm aware that pretty much every decent racer uses it, hell, even i do. but i'm also aware that 95% of this board doesn't have any idea what the difference is between useful drifting and the tail out jackassery that you see on the vids everybody posts up.

08-15-2002, 08:45 PM	#19
Lone_Drifter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I really would rather drift on a track, but i don'tk now where one is near lousiiana.  If anyone can tell me where one is, i'd be glad to pay the extra money to go.  after all, money spent on repairs would probally be more significant than paying for using a track.

08-15-2002, 11:55 PM	#20
bing Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ontario canada Posts: 2,699 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	u is no wheres near me, DRIFT ON!!!!! hope u dont kill anyone but urself __________________ www.son240sx.org /// www.nyspeed.com

08-16-2002, 07:13 AM	#21
thewholefnshow Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 672 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 14 2002,9:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tail out jackassery</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Lol.... "jasckassery" that is great stuff... and yeah, how do u drift through a fence? where there hell are there fences that close to a road that you do 75 mph on... sorry, this one is goin up on the wall of retard.... holy cow. "I accidentally drifted through a fence" "I accidentally got your daughter pregnant" "I accidentally broke into your house and got caught carrying out your tv..."