Bugatti

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

you sure about that?

vw/audi has been making cars for years, and still they cant build a fuckin power window that doesnt fail due to some vacuum leak or broken regulator.

vw/audi makes some of the shittiest cars around, if you ask me. audi makes some impressive cars like the S4 and such, but theres absolutely NO way i'de ever spend that type of money.. or any money.. on an audi. vw's are just out of the question.

TT doesnt bother me so much though... but its still a POS. my friend picked one up not long ago, headlamps are completely crazed and yellowed, several electronic features no longer working. chassis feels strong, motor is fine.. but in general.. theres ALWAYS some electric failure with these cars. i always see Jettas with completely yellowed headlamps or sidemarkers. its almost as if the manufacturer was like "uv inhibitors in plastic? we dont need that shit foo..."

I do have to agree with this. As impressive as the Veyron may be, it's to bad VW doesn't engineer all there vehicles that well. My sister has owned 3 VW's in her life, not a single one older then 5 years, and they have ALL had problems like the ones described above.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

I do have to agree with this. As impressive as the Veyron may be, it's to bad VW doesn't engineer all there vehicles that well. My sister has owned 3 VW's in her life, not a single one older then 5 years, and they have ALL had problems like the ones described above.

its a german car.

your supposed to buy it for 50,000-250,000k

strip everything out of it

cage it, build a high comp version of the motor,

one seat moton suspension and gtg.

or just trade them in every 3 years.

haha

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

I do have to agree with this. As impressive as the Veyron may be, it's to bad VW doesn't engineer all there vehicles that well. My sister has owned 3 VW's in her life, not a single one older then 5 years, and they have ALL had problems like the ones described above.

You actually expect VM/Audi to put the same level of engineering and design into a $25,000 car?

That's not even practical.

VW/Audi's do suck. As much as I like Audi's, I'd never purchase one over other cars int heir class. Infact, I wouldn't purchase any Euro luxo cars over their Japanese or even some American luxo counterparts. Oh and News flash, the domestics surpassed Europe in quality and dependability last year.

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

You actually expect VM/Audi to put the same level of engineering and design into a $25,000 car?

That's not even practical.

VW/Audi's do suck. As much as I like Audi's, I'd never purchase one over other cars int heir class. Infact, I wouldn't purchase any Euro luxo cars over their Japanese or even some American luxo counterparts. Oh and News flash, the domestics surpassed Europe in quality and dependability last year.

No I don't, I know that's not practical. But if they at least gave there other vehicles the same care and standards, to a practical degree considering there use, it would make them a lot better IMHO.

Domestics may be better for economical and daily driven vehicles, but if you want a pure sports car, domestics don't even come close to european cars IMHO... cars like the Veyron, Gallardo, Vanquish etc. are proof of that.

[bamaboy]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Domestics may be better for economical and daily driven vehicles, but if you want a pure sports car, domestics don't even come close to european cars IMHO... cars like the Veyron, Gallardo, Vanquish etc. are proof of that.

I would have to say that the domestics are head and shoulders above the europeans because of the performance for the money aspect. Corvette z06, under $70K and pretty much competes at all levels. Next year we will see a 650hp corvette for around $100k and that should more than make up for the gap between corvette and the super exotics. Not to mention that companies like Hennesey, Callaway, and Lingenfelter(spelling?) make versions of the viper and corvette that equal or surpass the offerrings of many of Europes finest tuners and specialty car builders.

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Domestics may be better for economical and daily driven vehicles, but if you want a pure sports car, domestics don't even come close to european cars IMHO... cars like the Veyron, Gallardo, Vanquish etc. are proof of that.

obama said it..

c6 z06 is proof that the opposition actually has some good performers as well.

besides, i cant comment on modern day lamborghinis... i mean audi.

[apexhumper]

WARNING: If you're going to read this you might want to refil your drink, its a long one guys.

Originally Posted by 2ilvia

sry i didnt know they owned bugatti, that explains the test track, which surely isnt needed to test the top speed of a cabriolet.

That track has been there since the cold war (just like it said in the vid) for those of you who didnt pay attention in school, the cold war came WAY before there were any plans to build the Veyron. But like stated b4, most manufacturers have testing facilities, you dont need to be building a McLaren F1 slayer to need a test track, there's plenty of other reasons for owning your own track. Honda just spend over 50 mil a few years back on a track of their own and last time I checked the civic wasnt breaking 0-60 records (much to the surprise of ricers) One thing honda does build as well as VW is nice handling cars.

[quote=BustedS13;1436555]i detest Top Gear. they blatantly stretch the truth and misinform their audience. they are clearly sponsored in some way by certain manufacturers, whom they constantly praise for absolutely no reason. they just constantly lie. [quote]

Welcome to life bud, everyone from politicians to every single car mag/show does that, havent you ever read MotorTrend?

Originally Posted by exitspeed

the domestics surpassed Europe in quality and dependability last year.

Sorry but no, if you've been in a domestic lately you'll know its false, if youve driven a new one lately you'll promise yourself you'll never do it again because you like being alive too much. THE END

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

I know that's not practical. But if they at least gave there other vehicles the same care and standards, to a practical degree considering there use, it would make them a lot better IMHO.

Domestics may be better for economical and daily driven vehicles, but if you want a pure sports car, domestics don't even come close to european cars IMHO... cars like the Veyron, Gallardo, Vanquish etc. are proof of that.

If everything in the world were as carefully engineered as that car the world would be a great place but you cant pour that much time and money into everything because most companies dont have that cash if they did they'd go broke, the only reason this happened is because VW suits spoke way too soon and promised that top speed before having any idea it could be done with that design, hence the huge setbacks they had and all the dates they kept pushing back. The car doesnt have 1000hp because that's whats needed to get to that speed, it has that because that design was never tested for those speeds before the corporate monkeys promised that to the public and the shape ended up being all wrong for such high speeds but it was too late to change it since they had already flappled their jaws.

Again, domestics are not better for anything, other than scraps. Also Aston Martin(Vanquish) is owned by Ford so as far as european sports cars, that's the reason they've fallen so far behind everyone else. The reason you never see one around is not because they're ultra exclusive, it's because you just can't compare them to other cars in the same price range. Lately their designs and quality has gotten better but when Ford first took over they were raiding the parts bins and actually but Taurus switchgear into an Aston!

Originally Posted by bamaboy

I would have to say that the domestics are head and shoulders above the europeans because of the performance for the money aspect. Corvette z06, under $70K and pretty much competes at all levels. Next year we will see a 650hp corvette for around $100k and that should more than make up for the gap between corvette and the super exotics. Not to mention that companies like Hennesey, Callaway, and Lingenfelter(spelling?) make versions of the viper and corvette that equal or surpass the offerrings of many of Europes finest tuners and specialty car builders.

You kind of have a point in the "Bang for the buck" aspect of it but in the long run that fails miserably because the euro cars keep running after 3 years, domestics dont. The exception of course is the 'vette, simply because that is Chevys version of the Veyron, it's the only car they actually put time and money into, they even take the shit to the Nurburgring to test, they dont do that with any other car. Also if you've ever been in a Ferrari or Lambo and also a Corvette......well you know exactly why one is cheaper than the others.

As far as American tuners vs European tuners.....that has nothing to do with manufacturers. Plus euro manufacturers and tuners like to add an extra something to thier cars that american manufacturers and tuners have never heard of....its a little something called "handling" that's right, the world isn't full of straight roads, they do have right and left turns once in a while.

Hope I dont sound like a total dick but this is kind of my area

[bamaboy]

Originally Posted by apexhumper

Sorry but no, if you've been in a domestic lately you'll know its false, if youve driven a new one lately you'll promise yourself you'll never do it again because you like being alive too much. THE END

I hope you understand that the post about domestics surpassing the europeans in those 2 classes was based on statistical data and not your opinion. THE END

Originally Posted by apexhumper

Again, domestics are not better for anything, other than scraps.

again, show me where your opinion is supposed to supercede everything else in the world.

Originally Posted by apexhumper

You kind of have a point in the "Bang for the buck" aspect of it but in the long run that fails miserably because the euro cars keep running after 3 years, domestics dont. The exception of course is the 'vette, simply because that is Chevys version of the Veyron, it's the only car they actually put time and money into, they even take the shit to the Nurburgring to test, they dont do that with any other car. Also if you've ever been in a Ferrari or Lambo and also a Corvette......well you know exactly why one is cheaper than the others.

please show me where you are finding your data in respect to your comments about the reliability of all cars ever made. What does the track where a car is taken to be tested have to do with the quality of the vehicle?

Originally Posted by apexhumper

As far as American tuners vs European tuners.....that has nothing to do with manufacturers. Plus euro manufacturers and tuners like to add an extra something to thier cars that american manufacturers and tuners have never heard of....its a little something called "handling" that's right, the world isn't full of straight roads, they do have right and left turns once in a while.

Hope I dont sound like a total dick but this is kind of my area

please for the love of god show me where you are getting this from!!!!!