200sx

[drift freaq]

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Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 29 2002,6:44)
well, I don't know about pre-88...but here's what I do know.
88-VG30E, SR20DE
95-up-SR20DE, GA16DE
The original S10 200SX came to the US in 1976, powered by an L20.
In 1979 the S110 200SX was released, powered by a Z20.
In 1984 the S12 200SX was released, powered by a CA20E or CA18ET. In 1987 the CA18ET was dropped and the VG30E was added. Canada kept the CA18ET as an option.
All of the preceding are rear wheel drive cars based on the Silvia family.
In 1989 the S13 240SX replaced the S12.
The 1995-1998 US-spec 200SX was... horribly misnamed, since it wasn't based on an S-chassis. It was a B-chassis (Sentra) powered by a GA16DE (XE, SE) or SR20DE (SE-R). </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

damn AKA beat me too it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
you left out one tidbit though . the S12 came in Hatchback and coupe .
The Gazelle and Silvia in Japan. In 1989 the Gazelle became the 180sx and the Silvia remained the Silvia which was always a coupe up to the S15 which was more a cross between a coupe and the Hatch. IMHO

[AKADriver]

There were actually S110 and S12 Gazelle coupes and Silvia hatchbacks, though. &nbsp;The 180SX did replace the Gazelle in Nissan's sales structure, but I guess they didn't see fit to continue both body styles in both lines (until the Sileighty came out... and not counting the US 240SX coupe).

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (camppain @ Oct. 29 2002,3:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ruf @ Oct. 30 2002,05:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basically a sporty 2-door Sentra. I recall a British announcer mistaking it for RWD European car of the same name in a US race throughout the entire race. Kept talking about the FWD Civic vs. the RWD 200SX when it was obviously the FWD US 200SX. Oops... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ruf is right the 200sx is a sentra with 2 dors and vice versa. like mine which has the fabeled sr20de! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I believe the only 200sx w/ the SR20DE was the SE-R model. The STD and Base had a ga16 (ga?) or something. I definately know it was a 1.6L Does anyone know about sentras though? All or only 1 model that had the SR20DE?


Edit: Shit I was beaten to it, who knew there was a god damn 2nd page?! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'>

[flipboi13]

LOL

--- My first post whore ---

[Dark]

I read the magazine the cars owner is related to the owner of Option magazine he lives in England missed his s13 and had it imported from Japan. Its a hatchback with an sr20det engine tuned to 300HP for drift duty. He has a good suspension setup with 18 inch rims so he can have more control while drifting.

end of story

In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.

It's white with a rollcage and striped interior. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[Foxcolt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OMG I can't believe this thread is still going <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

"In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing."

I'm reading this wrong right?? I must be....I just have to be cause this has to be one of the stupidist comments I've heard in quite a while.

Unless you mistyped or something. C'mon please tell me you did.

Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stupidity should be painful. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[Dark]

DRIFT KING
What constitutes an ideal drifting car? Option Motorsport has the answer with its 350bhp S13 200SX

http://www.banzaimagazine.com

What is a 200SX?
That's not as easy a question as you might think. There are at least three cars sold in different parts of the world under this name. Each is unique to it's market.
The base car for this family is the Nissan Silvia, and it is sold in Japan and possibly other parts of South-East Asia under this name. Basically, this is a rear wheel drive two-door "personal sports coupe" powered by a 4 cylinder DOHC engine. Differences in the models will be covered in another section.

http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/faq_1.html#q1.1

Here's my proof where is yours &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[Dark]

Why is it a 240SX in North America?
This is a pretty vexing question, especially if you happen to live there. &nbsp;When the S13 was introduced to the North American Market, Nissan North America chose not to import cars with the turbocharged engines (CA18DET or SR20DET).

Still needing good performance they selected the KA24E 2.4 litre engine used in the Bluebird (Altima) and a couple of commercial vehicles. &nbsp;At 130HP it was not slow, and when updated to the 155HP KA24DE engine performance improved even further.

But the question remains, why? &nbsp;Several reasons have surfaced, and the truth is that it is probably a combination of these and other factors which led to the birth of the 240SX:

The KA24E engine costs less that the CA18DET and produced similar power. &nbsp;This is not quite as compelling when looking at the SR20DET.

A 200SX with similar performance to a normally aspirated 300ZX but at a much lower price would have cannibalised sales of both 300ZX variations. &nbsp;The Twin-Turbo was sold only in Japan and North America, so elsewhere this was not a concern.

At the time of introduction, "Premium" (RON higher than 93) was rare in North America. &nbsp;California and Florida were key markets, and with the high temperatures, detonation would be a real problem, not to mention poor performance.

In the later years, common parts with the Altima (Bluebird) kept spares pricing down for this low-volume car.

http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/faq_1.html#q1.1

[the3SecondJerk]

Way to steal my sig, dark. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':evil:'>

[AKADriver]

hahaha, uhhh, way to read, 'tard. The page you posted makes reference to "Later 2.0 litre 180SX". It's full of errors in other places though. Awful.

Here's a nice review of a Japanese-spec 180SX, in English (it's geared towards people in Australia wishing to import them):

<a href="http://www.autospeed.com/A_1056/page1.html" target='_blank'>http://www.autospeed.com/A_1056/page1.html</a>

You want proof? You've got an entire forum telling you you're an idiot. That'd be enough for me, but, while I may be an idiot sometimes, I'm not a stubborn idiot.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':withstupid:'>

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">dark qoutes....Why is it a 240SX in North America?
This is a pretty vexing question, especially if you happen to live there. When the S13 was introduced to the North American Market, Nissan North America chose not to import cars with the turbocharged engines (CA18DET or SR20DET).
Still needing good performance they selected the KA24E 2.4 litre engine used in the Bluebird (Altima) and a couple of commercial vehicles. At 130HP it was not slow, and when updated to the 155HP KA24DE engine performance improved even further.
But the question remains, why? Several reasons have surfaced, and the truth is that it is probably a combination of these and other factors which led to the birth of the 240SX:
The KA24E engine costs less that the CA18DET and produced similar power. This is not quite as compelling when looking at the SR20DET.
A 200SX with similar performance to a normally aspirated 300ZX but at a much lower price would have cannibalised sales of both 300ZX variations. The Twin-Turbo was sold only in Japan and North America, so elsewhere this was not a concern.
At the time of introduction, "Premium" (RON higher than 93) was rare in North America. California and Florida were key markets, and with the high temperatures, detonation would be a real problem, not to mention poor performance.
In the later years, common parts with the Altima (Bluebird) kept spares pricing down for this low-volume car.
http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/faq_1.html#q1.1
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ok whoever wrote this never talked to Nissan North America or even read the Car and Driver articles or Road and Track articles when the 240sx debuted in the United States. The australian who wrote the above fact was an absolute moron and you are for quoteing him.
One , the faq mixs fact with fiction. Yes the North American side of Nissan did not want a second Turbo car in there lineup but it had nothing to do with gasoline octane ratings.
It had to do with two things . One is Nissan wanted to pump up sales of the 200sx i.e. Silvia in the United States . When the Hatchback was released here there was no mistaking the similarites it held to the original 240z . Nissan chose the KA24 for several reasons . Turbo engines where more expensive for Insurance reasons in 1989 and emission reasons the EPA was a lot harsher about Turbo cars.
getting back to the main point about the 240 name and the KA24 . Yes Nissan wanted to cash in on the nostalgia for the 240z seeing as the 300zx had gone upstream from its origins the 240z . So by installing a 2.4 liter 4 clyinder engine with roughly close to the same HP rating of the original 240z 6 cylinder L24 . They had a 240 namesake car. Add to the fact that the weight of the car was exactly the same as a 1972 mid year 240z you were going to see similar performance with the much more modern suspension. It would be worthy of the 240sx namesake . Add also to the fact that most American drivers love torque and do not care about high redlines and revs.(remember folks this was the &nbsp;land of the V8 and until very recently most V8's here revved about as high as 5500 rpm)
that is why Nissan chose the KA24 for the North American continent .
Remember the 240z sold well over 150,000 in the 4 years the model was sold here. Thats phenomenal(sp) sales figures for the 1970's.

[SilviaDriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,06:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what...the...fuck? man..i have lots to say..but i dont wanna type it all out..too much violence

also..dont u know that site u gave us as "proof" that foo lives somewhere in europe? not US or Japan..y else would u think hez always calling it 200sx

wheres the "man u are a fucken moron" smilie when u need it..this kinda looks like it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[240sxtreme]

ok...lets clear some stuff up...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hahaha, uhhh, way to read, 'tard. &nbsp;The page you posted makes reference to "Later 2.0 litre 180SX". &nbsp;It's full of errors in other places though. &nbsp;Awful.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

AKAdriver-the 180 was always the 180, it started out with a 1.8 CA, hence the name, when they gave it the 2.0 SR, it was still the 180. &nbsp;hence the "later 2.0 litre 180sx"..I don't see a problem with that.

In fact, that whole site, I can't really see any issues..other then the reasons why the 240 came with the 2.4 liter KA. &nbsp;But I don't think anyone knows the real reason, and I highly doubt Nissan will ever tell us. &nbsp;It'll always be speculation. &nbsp;what you said drift freaq is a definate plausible theory..unless you are personal friends with the person in charge of choosing which vehicles in which trims are availiabe to the USDM...I don't understand how you can "know" the true reason.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One is Nissan wanted to pump up sales of the 200sx i.e. Silvia in the United States </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

and what do you mean by this? &nbsp;200sx ie. silvia in the US? &nbsp;I'm confused...by this are you meaning the s chassis car sold in the US, eventually becoming the 240sx?

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 31 2002,11:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AKAdriver-the 180 was always the 180, it started out with a 1.8 CA, hence the name, when they gave it the 2.0 SR, it was still the 180. hence the "later 2.0 litre 180sx"..I don't see a problem with that.

In fact, that whole site, I can't really see any issues..other then the reasons why the 240 came with the 2.4 liter KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes! &nbsp;About the 180SX, Exactly! &nbsp;Don't tell me that, tell Dark!

Here are a few of the errata on that page, by the way:
- The S10 was not limited export, they sold quite a few of them in the US as the 200SX.
- The US S110 had a Z20, not an L20. &nbsp;Japan also got a Z18ET.
- Japan had the CA18ET available as well in the S12. &nbsp;JDM Gazelles and US 200SXs did get turbo engines and hence the hood bulge. &nbsp;I came pretty close to grabbing a bulge hood for my N/A S12 from a junkyard...
- The KA24E preceded the KA24DE in the 240SX. &nbsp;They mention the 12 valves, but not the correct engine code. &nbsp;No JDM Silvia K's came without a turbo. &nbsp;'R' refers to the fastback body, not the popup lights, and no export S13 had the 'P' code (SR20).
- S14 240SX did not have HICAS available (S14 Silvia did though).
-UK/Europe S13 200SX did not get the SR20DET, ever.
-S14a's were not sold in Japan after S15 release (late 1998). &nbsp;They were sold in Europe however into early 1999.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Oct. 29 2002,10:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stupidity should be painful. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'> This thread is classic!

Lock this post and delete darks account &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[Dark]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I read the magazine the cars owner is related to the owner of Option magazine he lives in England missed his s13 and had it imported from Japan. Its a hatchback with an sr20det engine tuned to 300HP for drift duty. He has a good suspension setup with 18 inch rims so he can have more control while drifting.

end of story

In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.

It's white with a rollcage and striped interior. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
... sigh

It's been a long and bad week for me.

Making a noob mistake doesn’t make it any better.

So here goes

this is what I said

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This is what I should have said at the time

In England an s13 is called a 200SX

Sorry for the mistake the only thing that kept me going through this week was this thought "This too shall pass".

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