Ben Stein on the Troops

[Diabolical]

Sheesh, fine ill leave.

[MavericStephenc]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

You do know that there is no official language for the USA right? Just saying. Also the saying should go thank a WW2 vet, not thank a soldier.

not to get off topic but no a days I can kinda see that. it seems to be like aa report card for U.S schools to step up esl classes to esl REQUIREMENTS.
also some more care should be taken in to the immigration laws/standards I.E refusing people we cant use. japan does it why can't we?

[xcusememisswyn]

Originally Posted by MavericStephenc

not to get off topic but no a days I can kinda see that. it seems to be like aa report card for U.S schools to step up esl classes to esl REQUIREMENTS.
also some more care should be taken in to the immigration laws/standards I.E refusing people we cant use. japan does it why can't we?

Japan's government and economy works to improve itself, and no one else, the US works to improve world quality, even if it costs our nation and economy more than it should.

Id have to dig out some notebooks for a better explanation, but there are some countries who work for their own economic good (Japan), and some that work for the world's economic good. Both ideas have their advantages and disadvantages, its just a fact of life that some are ego-centric while other are not.

[MavericStephenc]

Originally Posted by xcusememisswyn

Japan's government and economy works to improve itself, and no one else, the US works to improve world quality, even if it costs our nation and economy more than it should.

Id have to dig out some notebooks for a better explanation, but there are some countries who work for their own economic good (Japan), and some that work for the world's economic good. Both ideas have their advantages and disadvantages, its just a fact of life that some are ego-centric while other are not.

thank you for the description, it would be much appreciated if you could at some point go into more detail because I'm very interested in economy and government.

[xcusememisswyn]

This is my short term answer, if your more interested you can PM me or something lol I dont remember the technical names off the top of my head, but you should get the basic idea from this:

Some countries work towards the good of the world economy and globalization, while others worry only about themselves and have a more egoistic economy.

The U.S. works towards globalization in the hope that business and technology will flourish best if it is allowed to exist and grow anywhere in the world. This shows with the great amount of imports that we have from India to China, and the fact that a lot of "American" companies have actually moved out and gone international, because it is better for them both in America and worldwide. America has tariffs, but not a lot, only enough to prevent all American industry from going under.

Japan on the other hand only cares about its own economy. American cars have huge tariffs, and they have all kinds of laws that make the Japanese consumer buy new cars every few years rather than drive a used car as we can here in America. Older cars generally face tough inspections, and cost more to drive there, which Japan does so that its citizens buy new Japanese cars and keep that portion of their economy running well.

This is just an example within the automobile industry, but it exists across all industries, imports are easily accepted in the U.S. because it helps support the overall global economy, while the Japanese economy does most everything in house, and puts high tariffs on a lot of its imports so that the things made within the state are a lot more appealing.

[Baka Sama]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

You do know I told you to shut the fuck up, right? Did I say a Soldier, you dumb Fuck? No, I said the fucking US Military. Just goes to show how ignorant you really are.

You just can't resist stirring the shit, can you?

Last warning, just saying.

Hahahahahaha.. Wow, its been years since that side of That Guy has come out. Maybe Zilvia isnt hopeless.

[S14-vietusmc]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

Can somebody please explain to me what the troops are doing for the average american? Not flaming you, but what "american" thing are they fighting for?

wtf, whats wrong with this dude... im just trying to bring some patriotism too zilvia but someones gotta try to kill it... damn i love being in the military...

[Koopa Troopa]

To that asshole who thinks there's no purpose in Iraq...

Have you ever gave a starving kid water and food? Didn't think so.

Eathquake happened in Srilanka, where was the US Marine Corps a week later?
Tsunami in Thailand and Malaysia, where was the US Marine Corps a week later?
Mud slide in the Philippines, the Marines were there a day later.

[Matej]

I love America, I highly respect the troops, but I hate how militant the government is.

Originally Posted by xcusememisswyn

The U.S. works towards globalization in the hope that business and technology will flourish best if it is allowed to exist and grow anywhere in the world. This shows with the great amount of imports that we have from India to China, and the fact that a lot of "American" companies have actually moved out and gone international, because it is better for them both in America and worldwide. America has tariffs, but not a lot, only enough to prevent all American industry from going under.

Companies can care less about globalization or any of what you said. Things are imported from India and China because it's cheaper than producing them here, same goes for moving businesses overseas. Sure it may create a few hundred jobs somewhere, but looking at the big picture it does virtually nothing for the foreign country's economy, they don't have the power to take advantage of it. Corporations are just taking advantage of the fact that many third world countries have few if any labor laws and unions, thus saving the corporations millions of dollars in labor and production costs. So in the end, it's again mainly only the first world countries benefiting from this, and so you don't think I'm dissing the U.S., I'm talking about North America, Europe, Japan, and Australia. By the way, the U.S. is predicted to give up its throne as the world's economic superpower in the next few years, as the European Union is quickly rising to the top. This can be best described by the old saying "money makes the world go 'round." Sad but true.


These are my thoughts, I don't have anything against anyone on here personally, I respect everyone's opinions and beliefs so please don't neg rep me all of a sudden, I don't like how threads like this always divide up our little tight-knit car community.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

Have you ever gave a starving kid water and food? Didn't think so.

For sure. They don't care if it's warm/frozen or used. I'll never forget watching kids even fight over the frozen bottles we'd throw to them.

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

This ain't fucking Halo. The "badguys" don't wear black anymore.

STOP SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

That is a fantastic explanation for it. People tend to think it's so easy to tell freind from foe...when they really have no clue. Heck, I never really trusted the 'friends' we even had over there...

[xcusememisswyn]

Originally Posted by Matej

Companies can care less about globalization or any of what you said. Things are imported from India and China because it's cheaper than producing them here, same goes for moving businesses overseas. Sure it may create a few hundred jobs somewhere, but looking at the big picture it does virtually nothing for the foreign country's economy, they don't have the power to take advantage of it. Corporations are just taking advantage of the fact that many third world countries have few if any labor laws and unions, thus saving the corporations millions of dollars in labor and production costs. So in the end, it's again mainly only the first world countries benefiting from this, and so you don't think I'm dissing the U.S., I'm talking about North America, Europe, Japan, and Australia. By the way, the U.S. is predicted to give up its throne as the world's economic superpower in the next few years, as the European Union is quickly rising to the top. This can be best described by the old saying "money makes the world go 'round." Sad but true.


These are my thoughts, I don't have anything against anyone on here personally, I respect everyone's opinions and beliefs so please don't neg rep me all of a sudden, I don't like how threads like this always divide up our little tight-knit car community.

Not companies, governments. Japan sets up laws and works to keep its personal economy running, no matter how it affects other states. They setup laws and tariffs to keep production, jobs, and money within the Japanese economy. Japan doesnt care how our automobile companies do, so they tariff the hell out of our cars, while the U.S. only puts enough tariffs on Japanese cars that the American market can still compete. Driving an American car in Japan=Baller, driving a Japanese car in America= boring.

The U.S. on the other hand does not create these laws because they work to improve the global economy rather than the national economy. The U.S. could easily set up laws to keep jobs and money stateside, but they dont. I'm not saying the U.S. does this to improve third world countries, but they do it to improve the global economy, which is dominated by the countries you listed, so its in hope that for the most part it will benefit all those countries.

Basically the U.S. works towards globalization, while Japan would be content to keep to themselves, and only make international business when it benefits themselves.

Random Shit:
In 2004 we exported 75195 million dollars more to Japan than we imported from them.
In 2006 we imported about 82% more than we exported, while Japan exported 12% more than it imported (mostly oil and resources).

[PBucch]

Cliches about supporting the troops are designed to distract from failed policies, policies promoted by powerful special interests that benefit from war, anything to steer the discussion away from the real reasons the war in Iraq will not end anytime soon.
Ron Paul

[Diabolical]

Originally Posted by PBucch

Cliches about supporting the troops are designed to distract from failed policies, policies promoted by powerful special interests that benefit from war, anything to steer the discussion away from the real reasons the war in Iraq will not end anytime soon.
Ron Paul

Well said, but put you're flame suit on.

[R5SpdAttitude]

I am a soldier and I just returned from my 2nd deployment and that is the best thing that I have EVER EVER seen or even heard on TV. Atleast someone out there gives a crap about us. Its not easy doing our job and that guy certainly deserves a high five if nothing else! I have never heard anything put into words so well. THANKS BEN STIEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[S13SilviaGirl]

Originally Posted by PBucch

Cliches about supporting the troops are designed to distract from failed policies, policies promoted by powerful special interests that benefit from war, anything to steer the discussion away from the real reasons the war in Iraq will not end anytime soon.
Ron Paul

Ahhh yes, that is the reason. There are people that are sending things to the troops on a daily basis. Essentials that you take for granted... A hot meal, a bath, TV, and a nice comfy bed to sleep in. Get over yourself. Put down your keyboard and pick up an M16. Go to Iraq and see what they are dealing with over there. The whole reason for the "support our troops" is to prevent what happened to them in Vietnam, from happening now.

Regardless of how YOU and others feel about policies ect...those serving don't have the luxury of saying "no I wont go because I dont agree with you". So, they are over there, doing what they are told to do. Forget the whole crap of "we are over there to protect you". Imagine you were there, and you heard about the ungrateful fucks saying that what was designed to help moral, by typically civilian families doing it on their own accord, as being a "cover up" or a way to "distract from failed policies"...how would that make YOU feel while you are in the damn desert being shot at? How would it make YOU feel to hear that and know that you are seeing your best friend die when an IED went off?


For once, can't fucking Americans stop thinking about their own feelings on the matter and actually give a DAMN about the men and women over there? Regardless of what one individual may think...while sitting in front of their computer screen, about our government and how we ended up over there again...it is about making sure that the men and women feel that they are supported, right or wrong they were sent there...and not on their own accord. Yes, they signed up to go...and why? So you don't have to. Why? So their kids don't have to.

[Jung918]

http://www.cutterod.com/soldier/index.htm

something to think about when you got something to bitch about

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

WOW, that made me cry a little...yeah yeah...sappy girl I know. BITE ME!

Red eyes? Get Clear Eyes...

[PBucch]

Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

Ahhh yes, that is the reason. There are people that are sending things to the troops on a daily basis. Essentials that you take for granted... A hot meal, a bath, TV, and a nice comfy bed to sleep in. Get over yourself. Put down your keyboard and pick up an M16. Go to Iraq and see what they are dealing with over there. The whole reason for the "support our troops" is to prevent what happened to them in Vietnam, from happening now.

Regardless of how YOU and others feel about policies ect...those serving don't have the luxury of saying "no I wont go because I dont agree with you". So, they are over there, doing what they are told to do. Forget the whole crap of "we are over there to protect you". Imagine you were there, and you heard about the ungrateful fucks saying that what was designed to help moral, by typically civilian families doing it on their own accord, as being a "cover up" or a way to "distract from failed policies"...how would that make YOU feel while you are in the damn desert being shot at? How would it make YOU feel to hear that and know that you are seeing your best friend die when an IED went off?


For once, can't fucking Americans stop thinking about their own feelings on the matter and actually give a DAMN about the men and women over there? Regardless of what one individual may think...while sitting in front of their computer screen, about our government and how we ended up over there again...it is about making sure that the men and women feel that they are supported, right or wrong they were sent there...and not on their own accord. Yes, they signed up to go...and why? So you don't have to. Why? So their kids don't have to.

Hope you had fun typing that up.

If you think for one GOD DAMNED MINUTE that every american in this country does not support the kids taht are over htere fighting youre dumber than you act on these boards.


I mean seriously, there may be people out there who lack compassion and dont give a damn, I for sure am not one of them. Your longwinded response does nothing but give validity to the quote I posted. drum up violent and tragic imagery of combat to invoke guilt in me for thinking about this shit with a level head and rationale rather than jingoism. Fuck you.

We all know youre from a military family, but please shut the fuuuuuuuck up, heres another Ron Paul gem for your ass.

Disclaimer: I came across these quotes researching candidates and bear no affiliation or allegiance with mr Ron Paul.

Originally Posted by Ron Paul

I have never met anyone who did not support our troops. Sometimes, however, we hear accusations that someone or some group does not support the men and women serving in our Armed Forces. But this is pure demagoguery, and it is intellectually dishonest.
Ron Paul

[xcusememisswyn]

Her point is that the troops arent there by choice, if you have problem with the causes of the war then bring it up with the people who put us there, but dont give shit to the people who are there not by choice, but by force.

There are a lot of people who dont support the troops, its not about the bumper stickers or the flag pins, there are people out there who just flat out have something against military servicemen. They see military uniforms and immediately get ready to raise hell and go into some rant about the war and how that person shouldnt be doing what he/she is doing. I live by a military base, I see this a lot. To say that everyone supports the troops is bullshit.

If you can look at the war with a level head and rationale you would realize its not the troops choice to be there, and that they are just doing their job. Take it up with the president, the oil companies, the government, whoever you want, but dont for a second think that the troops dont deserve support or that their accomplishments and struggles shouldnt be appreciated. They didnt choose to be put through this shit, but they do it because in some weird hidden way they hope it continues to protect the people like you who sit at home behind their computer screen and try to discredit their work.

[PBucch]

No shit theyre just doing theyre job, it is what they signed up for. I considered the military in 03 outta high school, but for me the negatives outweighted the positives in regards to signing up in a time of war.

I never said nor implied that they do not deserve support. I posted an interesting comment, she took it personally.

[steve shadows]

PERSONALLY

I think we should build human like robots to fight in Iraq

only in Iraq

its a war without honor

where troops are basically martial policeman protecting our oil reserves getting blown up by homosexual hypocritic Muslims who are entralled in 1500 yr old debate over who is "more" muslim.

I think Robots would be worth the money.

All we need to do is get rid of Social Security and Welfare, cut the taxes on some of the upper middle class then build robots.

Boeing already has been working on it and its a sucess, its just expensive.

But i think robots are cool.

+ Iran cannot even come close to being on top of a Robot Army.

Robot fucking army for the win.

This way we could have Human Army in MORE support rolls and would lessen the strain on Stop-Loss and Repeat visits to that god forsaken hell hole.

Oil is importants, Robots should help.

[xcusememisswyn]

Originally Posted by PBucch

No shit theyre just doing theyre job, it is what they signed up for. I considered the military in 03 outta high school, but for me the negatives outweighted the positives in regards to signing up in a time of war.

I never said nor implied that they do not deserve support. I posted an interesting comment, she took it personally.

Posting the comment implies support for it.

Originally Posted by steve shadows

+ Iran cannot even come close to being on top of a Robot Army.

Robot fucking army for the win.

classic. haha

[B18C5MK1]

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

To that asshole who thinks there's no purpose in Iraq...

Have you ever gave a starving kid water and food? Didn't think so.

yes i have actually. and i didnt need to carry a m16 while i was handing out water and food to starving kids... none the less, we too were in a war zone. and it was very disturbing. we went to sudan to help free slaves. not many people realize that slavery still exists today. the only thing we were "armed" with was our Bibles and the Word of Jesus Christ... all the while you guys are in iraq fighting what was once the 'war on terror' and has now become the event to give iraq "democracy".. but really we all know its blood for oil..

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

Eathquake happened in Srilanka, where was the US Marine Corps a week later?
Tsunami in Thailand and Malaysia, where was the US Marine Corps a week later?
Mud slide in the Philippines, the Marines were there a day later.

where was the military during the Rwanda genocides? oh thats right, rwanda doesnt have anything of value to trade for us to protect them unlike kuwait did when we first went to war with iraq. forget about freeing slaves and helping people survive... what's gonna make our pockets bigger?

what about the sudan civil war that lasted 15+ years? what about the current wars currently going on there now? we can't stop mother nature from happening, but can we save a few million kids from another genocide? saddam was hung for the genocides he did in the 80s, but theres still wars going on now in africa.

he who controls the oil controls the world. oil/petrol isnt just used for cars. its used in many things, so even if we convert to hybrid, electric, etc kinds of cars, it wouldnt matter, because we still need petrol. it's used in heating homes, used to manufacture products like synthetic fiber, synthetic rubber, perfumes, fertilizers, explosives, dyes, etc... it also has many other uses as well.

wow im getting off topic. i'll stop. sorry for the rant.

[steve shadows]

OIL


and...

if you dont want to be living in thatch huts and pooping where you cook your food in 20 years.

support the troop surge

and the motha fuckin robot army

OIL rocks and we need it.

we need oil to fuel developments in energy that are not actually related to OIL

[SiI40sx]

So why was PBucch banned? You realize that everything everyone says in here is pretty ignorant and conjecture right? NONE OF YOU ARE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW. Unless you ARE there or have VERY close family members there, no one really know's HOW bad / good / whatever, it really is.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by SiI40sx

So why was PBucch banned?

because he dissented against the MACHINE

[S13SilviaGirl]

There are members on this board that are in Iraq at this very moment. They have even been posting pics on here from the sand box. I do understand that there is a lot of ignorance in the world, and he has to understand that making personal attacks on ANY member of this forum are not allowed...hence his banning. He could have said that same shit to you, or anyone else and would have been banned equally.

[SiI40sx]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

because he dissented against the MACHINE

LOL..... let me add to the humor of this monarchy / parliamentry type run forum and "posi" rep you!

[ThatGuy]

Originally Posted by SiI40sx

Unless you ARE there or have VERY close family members there, no one really know's HOW bad / good / whatever, it really is.

There are a few of us in this thread that match that description perfectly.

[SiI40sx]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

There are a few of us in this thread that match that description perfectly.

Yeah and honestly THOSE few should be the only ones speaking / stating FACTS in this thread. Everyone else shouldnt ignorantly comment on anything.

Oh and by the way I take it back, this place isnt a monarchy or parliamentry but completely totalitarian......