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David Aamidor · 11-27-2002, 04:14 PM

I hear alot about the numbers on both the ka and sr.  SR=205hp KA=155
With that said, for people who have driven 240s with both motors, is the extra 50hp that the sr has very noticable? I realize that the sr is trubo so it has lag, but in general what is the feel of sr. I am considering putting one in if i can do some fund raising/work.

91blk240 · 11-27-2002, 06:20 PM

i personally felt a difference between the 2 when i had my swap done.  the turbo lag isan't that bad, it spools fairly good.  just to compare the two i did a rolling start in second gear with a friend with his Ka 240 and i pulled away instantly with no problems.  

i don't know the 0-60 times for both, but i feel the turbo lag isn't a big deal.

xhdriver · 11-28-2002, 02:45 PM

i have an sr at 14psi, and it rips 100% of the time, lag is not a problem at all with the t25, the sr is very noticeably quicker.

Kreator · 11-28-2002, 03:45 PM

I dunnow about the lag on the t25s, but i couldn't feel any on a t28 sr and that turbo is a bit bigger.

50hp is very feelable. However, if you plan to run no more than the stock boost (although it's kinda hard to do once you get addicted), turboing the KA will be way cheaper (ofcourse assuming u are a do it yerself). I'm right now in the middle of building a 215hp/220tq KA for well under $2000 and from what i understand a descent s13 sr would cost like $2500 (is that right? w/ shipping ofcourse...)

tys240 · 12-03-2002, 07:36 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (David Aamidor @ Nov. 27 2002,5:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hear alot about the numbers on both the ka and sr. SR=205hp KA=155
With that said, for people who have driven 240s with both motors, is the extra 50hp that the sr has very noticable? I realize that the sr is trubo so it has lag, but in general what is the feel of sr. I am considering putting one in if i can do some fund raising/work.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Road & Track tested the S14 back in 94/95 when it was first introduced. The stock KA got about 7.5sec 0-60 in stock trim.

About two years ago Road & Track said that they got a 5.5sec 0-60 out of an S15.

Two second/ninty-five horsepower difference.

-ty

*Jeff240sx* · 12-03-2002, 07:56 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tys240 @ Dec. 03 2002,9:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Road & Track tested the S14 back in 94/95 when it was first introduced. The stock KA got about 7.5sec 0-60 in stock trim.

About two years ago Road & Track said that they got a 5.5sec 0-60 out of an S15.

Two second/ninty-five horsepower difference.

-ty</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I get 5.8 second 0-60 with my automatic KA turbo.  .3 second difference between the s15, and it has 50 more horsepower than I do.
-Jeff

tys240 · 12-03-2002, 08:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Dec. 03 2002,8:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tys240 @ Dec. 03 2002,9:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Road & Track tested the S14 back in 94/95 when it was first introduced. The stock KA got about 7.5sec 0-60 in stock trim.

About two years ago Road & Track said that they got a 5.5sec 0-60 out of an S15.

Two second/ninty-five horsepower difference.

-ty</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I get 5.8 second 0-60 with my automatic KA turbo. .3 second difference between the s15, and it has 50 more horsepower than I do.
-Jeff</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I was talking about stock trim for both cars and I specified that. I'm sure your car is very capable of doing solid times. And I was just recycling numbers from old men who think they're race car drivers <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

You're running a slushbox with a turbo (200hp), your time should be pretty solid. Watch the tree for green and step on it. The first gear on an S15 sucks, when driving one you have to shift to second almost immediately. The stock KA automatic tranny has much taller gears than that of the 6-spd.

Also of note, is your 200hp rating. Is this at the wheels? Because, from the factory, Nissan rates its S15 250PS (or 247hp or 1PS/.99hp) at the flywheel. Doing the conversion for 15% hp loss to the wheels 247 x .85 = 209.95hp which is only 10hp more than your KA-T -- not 50hp. Just an observation, not trying to start anything.

Regardless, that is an amazing time, especially for your p/w ratio. What kind of setup do you have? Wheels/tires etc.

I haven't been able to test my 0-60 as my car has some gremlins who don't seem to go away.

-ty

red240ne · 12-03-2002, 08:36 PM

240's aren't drag cars guys.  come on let's stick to drifting.

*Jeff240sx* · 12-03-2002, 08:36 PM

My setup is just a basic, bare-bone system cuz college came entirely too soon.  Anyway, I am running 4.35psi on a stock engine, exhaust, fuel system, and auto tranny.  Also, it is technically 195hp *calculated* at the wheels.  That is based on my 1/4 mile time and weight of my car.
Also, since you have inquired about wheels/tires.  Stock SE alloy rims and Zrated Dayton Daytonas *(And I fuckin hate them&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>*
-Jeff

mixedwell · 12-04-2002, 02:32 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">240's aren't drag cars guys.  come on let's stick to drifting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  

ummm... actually the silvia wernt made for drift. in fact, drifting is part of a racing form. kids run up and down mountains or streets racing each other and drifting just happens to be the fastest way around a corner. now, drifting got popular and people eventually just started drifting without the racing. buit to note you on that, yeah silvias are road racers. so whatever these guys want to do with their cars let them. its their car. let them drift, drag, show, or even make their cars hop. holla

silvia... my love <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  (my drift, race, street, and show car)

HippoSleek · 12-04-2002, 07:44 AM

Ugh... that last post... I'll just forget I read it, as hard as that may be  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/music.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':music:'>

The problem w/ comparing the KA and the SR stock for stock is that they never stay that way.  If you were going to swap just to have a stock SR, it would be 100% not worth it.  You could do $1000 worth of easy mods to the KA and be really close to a stock s13 SR in terms of performance... for $1500 and hours of work less.

The reason for doing the swap is b/c of what you can do from there.  While a stock swap will net you under 200 whp, $1000 worth of bolt ons can take you over 200 and $1500-2000 in mods will have you running w/ Mustanks.  In short, the swap (or a KA+T) isn't for someone who is looking for 200 whp and an end, but rather as a beginning.

turboex · 12-04-2002, 09:05 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mixedwell @ Dec. 04 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">240's aren't drag cars guys. come on let's stick to drifting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

ummm... actually the silvia wernt made for drift. in fact, drifting is part of a racing form. kids run up and down mountains or streets racing each other and drifting just happens to be the fastest way around a corner. now, drifting got popular and people eventually just started drifting without the racing. buit to note you on that, yeah silvias are road racers. so whatever these guys want to do with their cars let them. its their car. let them drift, drag, show, or even make their cars hop. holla

silvia... my love <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> (my drift, race, street, and show car)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I agree here. I havent talked to nissan on this one but i really doupt there car was designed for anything other than to sell alot to people who want a cheeper sports car. Drift, drag, show or what ever thats all about the owner and what he/she wants to do with it. its like saying a civic is a natural drag car, its not its and econobox that hapens to have potential just like the 240. A few years back none of us would have thought a a cheap ass civic would ever run 8's-12's. I cant even count the number of owners i personally know that have hondas running in the sub 12's its just to many. point is its all about what you wanna do with your car. Im gonna try get a bit of drifting out of mine and some autoX and when that track is closed im gonna hit up the drag strip, and when the weathers to cold for that ill be as the show and shine. Have fun guys, do what ya want with your ride, just no rice

nrcooled · 12-04-2002, 09:07 AM

Hippo speaks the truth again! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

When I first got my SR put in it was bone stock (and I mean stock)  I had the stock airbox for goodness sake.  But the difference was huge from the butt dyno.  And my KA was bone stock also.  Defininately faster but not nearly fast enough.  So yes it is a good starting point to build and yes I can kill stock and slightly modded moosestangs all day.  

FYI I raced a SVT Cobra the other day and it was pretty close but the top end of the SVT suprised the hell out of me

Jg240 · 12-04-2002, 08:16 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Nov. 28 2002,4:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm right now in the middle of building a 215hp/220tq KA for well under $2000 and from what i understand a descent s13 sr would cost like $2500 (is that right? w/ shipping ofcourse...)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i'm very interested in how you doing that for under 2g?

91CRXsiR · 12-04-2002, 11:48 PM

drifting is not the fastest way around a corner... thats why the "drift king lost his race on the curcuit"

grip driving is fastest.. but not as "cool"

11-27-2002, 06:20 PM	#2
91blk240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: DeFuniak Springs, FL Age: 47 Posts: 326 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i personally felt a difference between the 2 when i had my swap done.  the turbo lag isan't that bad, it spools fairly good.  just to compare the two i did a rolling start in second gear with a friend with his Ka 240 and i pulled away instantly with no problems.   i don't know the 0-60 times for both, but i feel the turbo lag isn't a big deal. __________________ RIP: 91 Black Coupe - Lost in Katrina Current: 93 Black Coupe blown s13 blacktop

11-28-2002, 03:45 PM	#4
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dunnow about the lag on the t25s, but i couldn't feel any on a t28 sr and that turbo is a bit bigger. 50hp is very feelable. However, if you plan to run no more than the stock boost (although it's kinda hard to do once you get addicted), turboing the KA will be way cheaper (ofcourse assuming u are a do it yerself). I'm right now in the middle of building a 215hp/220tq KA for well under $2000 and from what i understand a descent s13 sr would cost like $2500 (is that right? w/ shipping ofcourse...) __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

12-03-2002, 07:56 PM	#6
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tys240 @ Dec. 03 2002,9:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Road & Track tested the S14 back in 94/95 when it was first introduced. The stock KA got about 7.5sec 0-60 in stock trim. About two years ago Road & Track said that they got a 5.5sec 0-60 out of an S15. Two second/ninty-five horsepower difference. -ty</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I get 5.8 second 0-60 with my automatic KA turbo.  .3 second difference between the s15, and it has 50 more horsepower than I do. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

12-03-2002, 08:36 PM	#8
red240ne Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 122 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	240's aren't drag cars guys.  come on let's stick to drifting. __________________ nebraska sucks

12-03-2002, 08:36 PM	#9
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My setup is just a basic, bare-bone system cuz college came entirely too soon.  Anyway, I am running 4.35psi on a stock engine, exhaust, fuel system, and auto tranny.  Also, it is technically 195hp calculated at the wheels.  That is based on my 1/4 mile time and weight of my car. Also, since you have inquired about wheels/tires.  Stock SE alloy rims and Zrated Dayton Daytonas (And I fuckin hate them&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

11-27-2002, 04:14 PM	#1
David Aamidor Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hear alot about the numbers on both the ka and sr.  SR=205hp KA=155 With that said, for people who have driven 240s with both motors, is the extra 50hp that the sr has very noticable? I realize that the sr is trubo so it has lag, but in general what is the feel of sr. I am considering putting one in if i can do some fund raising/work.

11-28-2002, 02:45 PM	#3
xhdriver Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 6 Posts: 273 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have an sr at 14psi, and it rips 100% of the time, lag is not a problem at all with the t25, the sr is very noticeably quicker. __________________

12-03-2002, 07:36 PM	#5
tys240 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (David Aamidor @ Nov. 27 2002,5:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hear alot about the numbers on both the ka and sr. SR=205hp KA=155 With that said, for people who have driven 240s with both motors, is the extra 50hp that the sr has very noticable? I realize that the sr is trubo so it has lag, but in general what is the feel of sr. I am considering putting one in if i can do some fund raising/work.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Road & Track tested the S14 back in 94/95 when it was first introduced. The stock KA got about 7.5sec 0-60 in stock trim. About two years ago Road & Track said that they got a 5.5sec 0-60 out of an S15. Two second/ninty-five horsepower difference. -ty

12-03-2002, 08:09 PM	#7
tys240 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Dec. 03 2002,8:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tys240 @ Dec. 03 2002,9:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Road & Track tested the S14 back in 94/95 when it was first introduced. The stock KA got about 7.5sec 0-60 in stock trim. About two years ago Road & Track said that they got a 5.5sec 0-60 out of an S15. Two second/ninty-five horsepower difference. -ty</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I get 5.8 second 0-60 with my automatic KA turbo. .3 second difference between the s15, and it has 50 more horsepower than I do. -Jeff</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I was talking about stock trim for both cars and I specified that. I'm sure your car is very capable of doing solid times. And I was just recycling numbers from old men who think they're race car drivers <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> You're running a slushbox with a turbo (200hp), your time should be pretty solid. Watch the tree for green and step on it. The first gear on an S15 sucks, when driving one you have to shift to second almost immediately. The stock KA automatic tranny has much taller gears than that of the 6-spd. Also of note, is your 200hp rating. Is this at the wheels? Because, from the factory, Nissan rates its S15 250PS (or 247hp or 1PS/.99hp) at the flywheel. Doing the conversion for 15% hp loss to the wheels 247 x .85 = 209.95hp which is only 10hp more than your KA-T -- not 50hp. Just an observation, not trying to start anything. Regardless, that is an amazing time, especially for your p/w ratio. What kind of setup do you have? Wheels/tires etc. I haven't been able to test my 0-60 as my car has some gremlins who don't seem to go away. -ty

12-04-2002, 02:32 AM	#10
mixedwell Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SOuth Cali Posts: 892 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">240's aren't drag cars guys.  come on let's stick to drifting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>   ummm... actually the silvia wernt made for drift. in fact, drifting is part of a racing form. kids run up and down mountains or streets racing each other and drifting just happens to be the fastest way around a corner. now, drifting got popular and people eventually just started drifting without the racing. buit to note you on that, yeah silvias are road racers. so whatever these guys want to do with their cars let them. its their car. let them drift, drag, show, or even make their cars hop. holla silvia... my love <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  (my drift, race, street, and show car) __________________ silvia... my love ::

12-04-2002, 07:44 AM	#11
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ugh... that last post... I'll just forget I read it, as hard as that may be  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/music.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':music:'> The problem w/ comparing the KA and the SR stock for stock is that they never stay that way.  If you were going to swap just to have a stock SR, it would be 100% not worth it.  You could do $1000 worth of easy mods to the KA and be really close to a stock s13 SR in terms of performance... for $1500 and hours of work less. The reason for doing the swap is b/c of what you can do from there.  While a stock swap will net you under 200 whp, $1000 worth of bolt ons can take you over 200 and $1500-2000 in mods will have you running w/ Mustanks.  In short, the swap (or a KA+T) isn't for someone who is looking for 200 whp and an end, but rather as a beginning.

12-04-2002, 09:05 AM	#12
turboex Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: minot ND Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mixedwell @ Dec. 04 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">240's aren't drag cars guys. come on let's stick to drifting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> ummm... actually the silvia wernt made for drift. in fact, drifting is part of a racing form. kids run up and down mountains or streets racing each other and drifting just happens to be the fastest way around a corner. now, drifting got popular and people eventually just started drifting without the racing. buit to note you on that, yeah silvias are road racers. so whatever these guys want to do with their cars let them. its their car. let them drift, drag, show, or even make their cars hop. holla silvia... my love <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> (my drift, race, street, and show car)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I agree here. I havent talked to nissan on this one but i really doupt there car was designed for anything other than to sell alot to people who want a cheeper sports car. Drift, drag, show or what ever thats all about the owner and what he/she wants to do with it. its like saying a civic is a natural drag car, its not its and econobox that hapens to have potential just like the 240. A few years back none of us would have thought a a cheap ass civic would ever run 8's-12's. I cant even count the number of owners i personally know that have hondas running in the sub 12's its just to many. point is its all about what you wanna do with your car. Im gonna try get a bit of drifting out of mine and some autoX and when that track is closed im gonna hit up the drag strip, and when the weathers to cold for that ill be as the show and shine. Have fun guys, do what ya want with your ride, just no rice __________________ 1992 240sx SE s13 silvia frontend conversion SR20DET, custom top mount turbo manifold, Precision SC61 turbo, blitz bov, HKS intercooler, Tial 38mm wastegate, tenzo-r shu-4's, ton of other shit. with clean new paint!

12-04-2002, 09:07 AM	#13
nrcooled Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Turn 8 'bout to get rolled by a SC'd ITR Age: 46 Posts: 1,849 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hippo speaks the truth again! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> When I first got my SR put in it was bone stock (and I mean stock)  I had the stock airbox for goodness sake.  But the difference was huge from the butt dyno.  And my KA was bone stock also.  Defininately faster but not nearly fast enough.  So yes it is a good starting point to build and yes I can kill stock and slightly modded moosestangs all day.   FYI I raced a SVT Cobra the other day and it was pretty close but the top end of the SVT suprised the hell out of me __________________ '91 hatch w/ SR Sold; '03 Evo Sold 401 HP; '03 MS Protege sold; '00 Evo 6.5 TME Sold 300HP

12-04-2002, 08:16 PM	#14
Jg240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tenn. Posts: 58 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Nov. 28 2002,4:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm right now in the middle of building a 215hp/220tq KA for well under $2000 and from what i understand a descent s13 sr would cost like $2500 (is that right? w/ shipping ofcourse...)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> i'm very interested in how you doing that for under 2g? __________________ Member of the S.A.H.F.M.C (self admitted hypo-chondriac for my car)

12-04-2002, 11:48 PM	#15
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 42 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	drifting is not the fastest way around a corner... thats why the "drift king lost his race on the curcuit" grip driving is fastest.. but not as "cool"