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nightshiftgarage · 12-10-2007, 07:08 PM

heres my dyno sheet i finally got from the shop that did my tuning.ive tried to find the thread about the record na ka where i said what my car made and was told it was irrelevant if i couldnt prove it so here it is. dont want everyone to think im an e racer

*S13Boosts* · 12-10-2007, 07:31 PM

wow looks great bro! na power!

wonkuuzenki · 12-10-2007, 08:05 PM

Props! great job for NA.

Flybert · 12-10-2007, 08:13 PM

Dyno without motor specs. Awesome.....

*downshift_sideways* · 12-10-2007, 08:14 PM

/\ Word........

nightshiftgarage · 12-10-2007, 08:23 PM

ka stock bottom end.
p and p head. 298 cfm IN 208 cfm EX
bc stage 2 cams 264s
jwt adj. cam gears
hot shot header
asp pulley
fidanza flywheel
ebay dual n1s catback
tuned on megasquirt
giant cone filter

ill try to get pic up soon

*downshift_sideways* · 12-10-2007, 08:26 PM

Good boy

ur green...

Turtle · 12-10-2007, 08:27 PM

If its not one thing its another thing am I correct? ^^

cdlong · 12-10-2007, 09:43 PM

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=165312

here is the thread you were talking about.

Neejay · 12-10-2007, 09:50 PM

Good job man. How much did all that cost you?

DreamN · 12-10-2007, 11:06 PM

what octane gas are you running? more piktorz!!!

nightshiftgarage · 12-12-2007, 11:24 AM

well i got a lot of good deals of some of the parts but heres a run down that i can remember
p and p head 500 bucks
crank pulley free
264 bc cams 285 shipped
jwt cam gears 150 bucks
hotshot header 300 bucks
ebay cat back i trraded a smashed up megan catback for it
cone filter 40 bucks
megasquirt ecu 310 bucks
extra stuff for harness 60 bucks

im runnning 93 octane, i also have a map for 110 but havent tried it yet .im gonna wait till i have more dyno time.
heres the pics

bardabe · 12-12-2007, 06:15 PM

nice

msglngth

Xandy Boosts · 12-12-2007, 10:30 PM

very nice! lengthelnth

KAZA · 12-12-2007, 10:39 PM

good shit man

orion::S14 · 12-13-2007, 09:35 AM

What's the correction factor used on that dyno chart? That's very relevant here.

...or...what was the temp / humidity / pressure they day you dyno'd...? Should be listed on the chart.

- Brian

nightshiftgarage · 12-13-2007, 07:51 PM

temp 75.3 f.
baro. 29.23
air density 1.1347
does any of this help answer your ?.

ps. what does eveyone mean when they say msglegth?

gprb25 · 12-13-2007, 07:57 PM

Nice Ka power.

ps..msglngth or what not is there because you have to type so
many characters(or letters) to actually reply.

Suggestion: You should shoot a vid on the street and post the link....

murda-c · 12-13-2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightshiftgarage

temp 75.3 f.
baro. 29.23
air density 1.1347
does any of this help answer your ?.

ps. what does eveyone mean when they say msglegth?

there is a minimum message length, people add that so they can post short posts.

ms!3 · 12-13-2007, 08:03 PM

w3rd. this is what ive been wanting to see. nobody builds these things without turbos.

kyles1988 · 12-13-2007, 08:26 PM

nice numbers man. Is the KA head known for not flowing that well?

The Chad · 12-13-2007, 09:58 PM

Looks very similar to a Dyno chart i saw on PDM-racing's web site a while back, also known for making quite quick N/A track cars. Ah yes, canadians, hacking into KA ECU's since 2003 and making a wicked awesome plate of bacon since forever!

TheJerk · 12-14-2007, 12:33 AM

It took me a second, but I realized were I saw a graph based on that scale. Church Automotive uses a dynapack dyno, it rates to the hubs, and thier dynos graph's and scale look just like that.

Was that a dynapack dyno? Rated to the hubs, not the wheel.

No way in hell Crower V2's can do that, then again, I swing on JWT pretty hard.

***S14DB*** · 12-14-2007, 12:52 AM

Correction factor?

I hate when dyno graphs don't scale the TQ and HP the same.

TheJerk · 12-14-2007, 12:56 AM

Looks like the scale is correct, because HP and TQ cross at 5252, or can it still be off?

His picture isn't big enough to see the whole graph, but It looks like his TQ nosedives after 5K
Look at my graph

nightshiftgarage · 12-14-2007, 08:56 PM

on the graph it says correction method is sae, yes it was a dynapack, yes they are crower v2,s i didnt feel shit with those cams until a year after they were in the car when i degreed them with a wheel from summit racing. ive got a line on some custom 304 duration crower cams that my firend had made for his tt ka.degreeing those cams made a world of difference. probably could have done some math , degreed them differently and made a few more hp at peak and less tourqe. bbut i wanted a nice balance of grunt and top end. did you happen to notice what my head did on the flow bench? thats what makes the power...

TheJerk · 12-15-2007, 08:24 PM

I'm still impressed. What, and how do you degree cams, and who did you go to for the head porting? Have stock headflow numbers?

For the record, JWT cams will peak around 6000-6200rpms, compared to crower V2 that you have. I think the V3's are just a whole new animal.

frosty_the_iceman · 12-15-2007, 08:59 PM

Hi, dyno looks great. I've run against the PDM Racing 240SX in autocross, that car is really impressive. I say I've run against it only because we're in the same class, I don't stand a chance

.

For any who might be interested, the PDM Racing 240SX uses stock KA24DE cams, you are not allowed to replace cams in STS class. Don't know what their timing setup is like though. The engine in that car is regarded as something of a freak of nature in the local club.

To the OP, just wondering if you still have A/C? Looks like you have dumped the clutch fan too... Any details you want to share?

nightshiftgarage · 12-15-2007, 09:52 PM

the head porting was done by a guy on a ka-t forums. i dont recall the stock head numbers but it was quite a jump up form them. they were porting this head for a turbo car.

degreeing the cams, i cant beleive you dont know what that is. summit racing makes a kit that comes with a degree wheel that you stick on your crank pulley and a dial indicator you that rides on the cam lobe. basically ,you can see how you valves are opening in relation to where your piston is on its stoke. that way you can adjust you cam timing to make the most of your intake stroke, or move the most air possible into the combustion chamber. ....

not sure if im following what youre saying about the difference in the crower v2s and the jwt cams . what is the jwt cams duration that youre speaking of? and if i upgrade cams again , im going right past the v3s for a 304 duration crower.

no i dont have ac anymore. in the summer i usually drive with the windows down and the roof open anyway. like to hear the engine sound. if any of those ps eliminator kits were worth a crap , id ditch that too. but just because it would clean up that side of the bay a lil.no clutch fan. i dont think it helped me anyway. just gave it that truck sound. nismo stat and koyo radiator work great together.

ive already looked at some numbers and im planning to build a bottom end that should go beyond the 200 mark when my funds get right.ive got totally stock bottom end complete with hellacious blowby , hence the catch can in the pics. i also plan on building a high rise header similar to pandas14,s. id like to go itbs but this car is already loud enough, and with the high comp. new header and 304 cams im sure it will be retarded loud. i really wish i could upload a vid of it

12-10-2007, 07:08 PM	#1
nightshiftgarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tn Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	first na dyno pull heres my dyno sheet i finally got from the shop that did my tuning.ive tried to find the thread about the record na ka where i said what my car made and was told it was irrelevant if i couldnt prove it so here it is. dont want everyone to think im an e racer __________________ "NIGHTSHIFT-GARAGE"

12-10-2007, 08:05 PM	#3
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12-10-2007, 08:14 PM	#5
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12-10-2007, 08:23 PM	#6
nightshiftgarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tn Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ka stock bottom end. p and p head. 298 cfm IN 208 cfm EX bc stage 2 cams 264s jwt adj. cam gears hot shot header asp pulley fidanza flywheel ebay dual n1s catback tuned on megasquirt giant cone filter ill try to get pic up soon __________________ "NIGHTSHIFT-GARAGE"

12-10-2007, 08:26 PM	#7
downshift_sideways No Limit Soldier. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hayward CA, San Gabriel CA Age: 38 Posts: 5,550 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: downshift_sideways Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Good boy ur green... __________________ allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

12-10-2007, 07:31 PM	#2
S13Boosts Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: VEGAS Posts: 5,292 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	wow looks great bro! na power!

12-10-2007, 08:13 PM	#4
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Dyno without motor specs. Awesome.....

12-10-2007, 08:27 PM	#8
Turtle Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: California Age: 32 Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If its not one thing its another thing am I correct? ^^

12-10-2007, 09:43 PM	#9
cdlong Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Age: 44 Posts: 1,865 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: cdlong Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=165312 here is the thread you were talking about. __________________

12-10-2007, 09:50 PM	#10
Neejay Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: lol Age: 39 Posts: 2,586 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Neejay Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Good job man. How much did all that cost you?

12-10-2007, 11:06 PM	#11
DreamN Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal - 818 Age: 40 Posts: 10,692 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: DreamN Feedback Score: 54 reviews	what octane gas are you running? more piktorz!!! __________________ - Jimmy Wanted: TBD For Sale: TBD

12-12-2007, 11:24 AM	#12
nightshiftgarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tn Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well i got a lot of good deals of some of the parts but heres a run down that i can remember p and p head 500 bucks crank pulley free 264 bc cams 285 shipped jwt cam gears 150 bucks hotshot header 300 bucks ebay cat back i trraded a smashed up megan catback for it cone filter 40 bucks megasquirt ecu 310 bucks extra stuff for harness 60 bucks im runnning 93 octane, i also have a map for 110 but havent tried it yet .im gonna wait till i have more dyno time. heres the pics __________________ "NIGHTSHIFT-GARAGE"

12-12-2007, 06:15 PM	#13
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12-12-2007, 10:30 PM	#14
Xandy Boosts Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Long beach Age: 39 Posts: 1,003 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	very nice! lengthelnth

12-12-2007, 10:39 PM	#15
KAZA Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SAN JOSE Posts: 29 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	good shit man

12-13-2007, 09:35 AM	#16
orion::S14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orange Park, FL Posts: 1,666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What's the correction factor used on that dyno chart? That's very relevant here. ...or...what was the temp / humidity / pressure they day you dyno'd...? Should be listed on the chart. - Brian __________________ www.KA24DEvelopment.com

12-13-2007, 07:51 PM	#17
nightshiftgarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tn Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	temp 75.3 f. baro. 29.23 air density 1.1347 does any of this help answer your ?. ps. what does eveyone mean when they say msglegth? __________________ "NIGHTSHIFT-GARAGE"

12-13-2007, 07:57 PM	#18
gprb25 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 41 Posts: 596 Trader Rating: (20) Rides Gallery: gprb25 Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Nice Ka power. ps..msglngth or what not is there because you have to type so many characters(or letters) to actually reply. Suggestion: You should shoot a vid on the street and post the link....

12-13-2007, 08:03 PM	#20
ms!3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Age: 35 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	w3rd. this is what ive been wanting to see. nobody builds these things without turbos.

12-13-2007, 08:26 PM	#21
kyles1988 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Normal, IL Posts: 1,026 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	nice numbers man. Is the KA head known for not flowing that well?

12-13-2007, 09:58 PM	#22
The Chad Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 943 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks very similar to a Dyno chart i saw on PDM-racing's web site a while back, also known for making quite quick N/A track cars. Ah yes, canadians, hacking into KA ECU's since 2003 and making a wicked awesome plate of bacon since forever!

12-14-2007, 12:33 AM	#23
TheJerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Where you wish you were Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It took me a second, but I realized were I saw a graph based on that scale. Church Automotive uses a dynapack dyno, it rates to the hubs, and thier dynos graph's and scale look just like that. Was that a dynapack dyno? Rated to the hubs, not the wheel. No way in hell Crower V2's can do that, then again, I swing on JWT pretty hard.

12-14-2007, 12:52 AM	#24
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Correction factor? I hate when dyno graphs don't scale the TQ and HP the same. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

12-14-2007, 12:56 AM	#25
TheJerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Where you wish you were Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks like the scale is correct, because HP and TQ cross at 5252, or can it still be off? His picture isn't big enough to see the whole graph, but It looks like his TQ nosedives after 5K Look at my graph

12-14-2007, 08:56 PM	#26
nightshiftgarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tn Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	on the graph it says correction method is sae, yes it was a dynapack, yes they are crower v2,s i didnt feel shit with those cams until a year after they were in the car when i degreed them with a wheel from summit racing. ive got a line on some custom 304 duration crower cams that my firend had made for his tt ka.degreeing those cams made a world of difference. probably could have done some math , degreed them differently and made a few more hp at peak and less tourqe. bbut i wanted a nice balance of grunt and top end. did you happen to notice what my head did on the flow bench? thats what makes the power... __________________ "NIGHTSHIFT-GARAGE"

12-15-2007, 08:24 PM	#27
TheJerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Where you wish you were Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm still impressed. What, and how do you degree cams, and who did you go to for the head porting? Have stock headflow numbers? For the record, JWT cams will peak around 6000-6200rpms, compared to crower V2 that you have. I think the V3's are just a whole new animal.

12-15-2007, 08:59 PM	#28
frosty_the_iceman Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	AC & Fan? Hi, dyno looks great. I've run against the PDM Racing 240SX in autocross, that car is really impressive. I say I've run against it only because we're in the same class, I don't stand a chance . For any who might be interested, the PDM Racing 240SX uses stock KA24DE cams, you are not allowed to replace cams in STS class. Don't know what their timing setup is like though. The engine in that car is regarded as something of a freak of nature in the local club. To the OP, just wondering if you still have A/C? Looks like you have dumped the clutch fan too... Any details you want to share? Last edited by frosty_the_iceman; 12-15-2007 at 09:01 PM.. Reason: sp.

12-15-2007, 09:52 PM	#29
nightshiftgarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tn Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the head porting was done by a guy on a ka-t forums. i dont recall the stock head numbers but it was quite a jump up form them. they were porting this head for a turbo car. degreeing the cams, i cant beleive you dont know what that is. summit racing makes a kit that comes with a degree wheel that you stick on your crank pulley and a dial indicator you that rides on the cam lobe. basically ,you can see how you valves are opening in relation to where your piston is on its stoke. that way you can adjust you cam timing to make the most of your intake stroke, or move the most air possible into the combustion chamber. .... not sure if im following what youre saying about the difference in the crower v2s and the jwt cams . what is the jwt cams duration that youre speaking of? and if i upgrade cams again , im going right past the v3s for a 304 duration crower. no i dont have ac anymore. in the summer i usually drive with the windows down and the roof open anyway. like to hear the engine sound. if any of those ps eliminator kits were worth a crap , id ditch that too. but just because it would clean up that side of the bay a lil.no clutch fan. i dont think it helped me anyway. just gave it that truck sound. nismo stat and koyo radiator work great together. ive already looked at some numbers and im planning to build a bottom end that should go beyond the 200 mark when my funds get right.ive got totally stock bottom end complete with hellacious blowby , hence the catch can in the pics. i also plan on building a high rise header similar to pandas14,s. id like to go itbs but this car is already loud enough, and with the high comp. new header and 304 cams im sure it will be retarded loud. i really wish i could upload a vid of it __________________ "NIGHTSHIFT-GARAGE"