Anyone know about MoonFace Coilovers?

[A Spec Products]

Originally Posted by spool_sample

Looks like re-colored Silk Roads to me:

They are not re-colored Silk Roads

Trust me on this

But honestly it's a really futile argument/discussion that doesn't need to go down

Either way, the answer for the OP looks like a resounding yes for MFR

[atom]

If you look at the corporate profile on their very own website, they have 5 employees and 100,000 US dollars worth of capital. It is incredibly unlikely they developing their own coilovers from scratch with that kind of money and manpower. Like zero chance. That doesn't mean they are bad, but for anyone who thinks Moonface coilovers aren't just bought from somewhere else, reality check.

[CKAMC]

Originally Posted by atom

If you look at the corporate profile on their very own website, they have 5 employees and 100,000 US dollars worth of capital. It is incredibly unlikely they developing their own coilovers from scratch with that kind of money and manpower. Like zero chance. That doesn't mean they are bad, but for anyone who thinks Moonface coilovers aren't just bought from somewhere else, reality check.

you just had to ignore people who may have possibly been to the shop...

great way to pick apart a company... by their website...

thats basically like calling vivid racing the best company in the world!

you also need a reality check, people can buy parts to produce coilovers and build them by themselves(or a small team), its not like all these parts are hands off to the rest of us, we just have no real idea where to buy the stuff to do it or know how to build them.

so basically your saying if we had the two and took them completely apart, tested them... the only difference between the two is the paint color and the end cost?

[hrdprkin180]

I know that IB had a set on his old S14 and they held up like champs no leaks or anything. And he wasnt exactly easy on the car.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

here is the thread from zilvia:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=moonface

[atom]

Originally Posted by CKAMC

you just had to ignore people who may have possibly been to the shop...

Thats funny, I don't remember anyone saying they've actually seen it. But hey if anyone has actually been there and seen anyone at Moonface sitting down and designing a damper feel free to speak up and I'll admit I was wrong.

great way to pick apart a company... by their website...

thats basically like calling vivid racing the best company in the world!

Yes, because a company promoting themselves and another company outlining their business is EXACTLY the same thing right? Right?

you also need a reality check, people can buy parts to produce coilovers and build them by themselves(or a small team), its not like all these parts are hands off to the rest of us, we just have no real idea where to buy the stuff to do it or know how to build them.

So in the previous part of your post you wanna say I'm wrong about them buying their stuff from somewhere else yet in the very next sentence you admit any Joe Schmo with enough money can get in contact with one of these factories and buy the parts to make their own coilover? Ok.....LOL.

so basically your saying if we had the two and took them completely apart, tested them... the only difference between the two is the paint color and the end cost?

Where did I say Moonface coilovers were exactly the same as some other coilover? I'm having trouble finding that part of my post. Valving might be different, spring rate might be different, but I am willing to bet none of the individual components (brackets, collars, mounts, and most importantly, the damper) are unique to Moonface.

So what are YOU trying to say? You believe a company selling $1300 coilovers on yahoo.jp auctions is designing, testing, and fabricating suspension systems the same way other small comanies like, oh say JRZ, DMS, and Quantum are? LOL

[Sil80Dreams]

So like, you guys take this shit way serious huh? I'm sorry for any drama I indirectly started, it was wrong of me, a 19 year old kid who likes cars and the best-bang-for-buck parts for said cars, to do that I again am sorry. HAHAHAHA, chill the fuck out atom, the thing is, maybe if you didn't come off like a complete douchebag, people wouldn't give you shit. It's just coilovers man, chill.

[atom]

I posted something, someone responded, so I responded back. It's called a discussion. It's something adults do. What are you, 10? (and yes thats me being a douche to you, and only you, cuz you're a dumbass).

[CKAMC]

Originally Posted by atom

blah blah blah

the manner you speak about things can be seen as wishy washy, just like you nit picked at me and thus:

1. Ok so this guy talks like he believes these there is no major...or even any reason an individual should pay so much when there is a cheaper coilover that looks and has maybe a few parts that are the same

2.Outlining who you are is another way for a shop to tell a little about themselves, one promoting themselves is looking to attract new customers. two different deals (one sits back and another goes out)

3. There is enough variety in parts and design to make noticeable differences between products, and yes if you want to get parts you can contact manufactures and either take part they have or R&D something with them. Not like I am talking about a crazy new idea here.

4. Pricing and sales of products reflects a product up to a certian degree, which is called product classing (putting stance and silkroad in the product classing because of their price as an example). Shipping, Resale, Wholesale, Taxing is subject to vendor's digression.

[3-240's-N-aMule]

Golly yall... MoonFace is a shop outta japville that built the MoonFace s15 and 350z, two cars built heavily around time attack events. The shop used alot of their own suspension shit on the car including their own coilovers ie, the moonface coils. They are very proven on track so you cant really go wrong.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by 3-240's-N-aMule

Golly yall... MoonFace is a shop outta japville that built the MoonFace s15 and 350z, two cars built heavily around time attack events. The shop used alot of their own suspension shit on the car including their own coilovers ie, the moonface coils. They are very proven on track so you cant really go wrong.

That may be good on smooth roads, but how do these coilovers perform on less than smooth roads?

The biggest issue in this ongoing debate of either cheaper or supposed quality Japanese coilovers VS a custom Koni or Bilstein setup is the ride quality.

Now the fact is Japanese roads are known to be smoother and Race tracks period are smoother. So even with somewhat improper damping for the spring rate, a Japanese coilover or even one of the better budget coilovers i.e. KTS,Stance, etc.... would perform decently on a smooth track.
The real test comes though on less smooth road surfaces and how the damper with spring rate works then.

Now not everybody here drops suspension in their car and just takes it to the track only. So there is a certain amount of ride quality issue that comes into play.
I can personally say that the Generic habit of most current import coilovers of 8/6 tends to be oversprung for a lot of the dampers currently on the market. Which pretty much translates to a harsh or bouncy ride.

Does the car bob down the freeway over the uneven freeway surface? Do really rough surfaces react harshly instead of just a smooth single motion absorption? Thats a because of a poorly valved damper thats oversprung. If you actually adjusted the spring rates down the ride would improve though it would not completely compensate the poor damping.

Now we have certain members on the forum based in Japan who have little to no experience with a Bilstein or Koni setup saying there are good Japanese brands, which there may be. Although there are several American road racers that have tested Japanese brands and found poor results and tested Koni's or Bilsteins and found better, who feel most Japanese brands are just not that good.

Some of you are to young to know including these Japan based forum members. There was a time when there was absolutely no quality shocks aka dampers coming out of Japan.
It was not that long ago but long enough to be before a lot of you guys were even near a age to drive.
I am not saying that a small Japanese company cannot make a good damper. I am not saying all Japanese dampers are junk. I am basically leaning towards a just because its made in Japan does not make it good argument.

Until someone brings all these Japanese coilovers over here and road tests them on American roads and shock dyno's, them we will not know exactly about a lot of them. Until they actually try them themselves.
I will not argue against a road racer posting shock dyno tested information as he knows more than I. I will argue against the Japan o phile that thinks because its a expensive Japanese company it must be good, or because he has driven it on a Japanese road not an American road its a good coilover.
Thats a biased opinion at best with out any scientific controls in place and therefore is not conclusive.

To sum it up, this argument is going to go on and on until stuff is put side by side.
I am just tired of most people with not enough experience calling shit on posted scientific proof aka shock dyno's just because they are Japan o philes.

P.S. I do love a lot of Japanese stuff including my women. Though I will say Japan is not the technological leader of the world and if you think they are you need to learn more about things. They are good but not the greatest.

With all of this said I would love to see Moonface coilovers be good. I fear though, there is not enough product support here in the states to warrant buying them.
Again it would also have to be a test it to see if it works here, refer to my earlier statements about race tracks to understand.

[Sil80Dreams]

Yeah dude... I'm ten, and you're the adult having the "adult discussion" on a car website. Whatever bro, thanks for all of your wonderful input, seriously you made some damn fine points and I hope you live a great life IRL douchebag.

-Noah "The 10 year old Dumbass"

[OptionZero]

that remark was pretty uncalled for

[3-240's-N-aMule]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

That may be good on smooth roads, but how do these coilovers perform on less than smooth roads?

The biggest issue in this ongoing debate of either cheaper or supposed quality Japanese coilovers VS a custom Koni or Bilstein setup is the ride quality.

Now the fact is Japanese roads are known to be smoother and Race tracks period are smoother. So even with somewhat improper damping for the spring rate, a Japanese coilover or even one of the better budget coilovers i.e. KTS,Stance, etc.... would perform decently on a smooth track.
The real test comes though on less smooth road surfaces and how the damper with spring rate works then.

Now not everybody here drops suspension in their car and just takes it to the track only. So there is a certain amount of ride quality issue that comes into play.
I can personally say that the Generic habit of most current import coilovers of 8/6 tends to be oversprung for a lot of the dampers currently on the market. Which pretty much translates to a harsh or bouncy ride.

Does the car bob down the freeway over the uneven freeway surface? Do really rough surfaces react harshly instead of just a smooth single motion absorption? Thats a because of a poorly valved damper thats oversprung. If you actually adjusted the spring rates down the ride would improve though it would not completely compensate the poor damping.

Now we have certain members on the forum based in Japan who have little to no experience with a Bilstein or Koni setup saying there are good Japanese brands, which there may be. Although there are several American road racers that have tested Japanese brands and found poor results and tested Koni's or Bilsteins and found better, who feel most Japanese brands are just not that good.

Some of you are to young to know including these Japan based forum members. There was a time when there was absolutely no quality shocks aka dampers coming out of Japan.
It was not that long ago but long enough to be before a lot of you guys were even near a age to drive.
I am not saying that a small Japanese company cannot make a good damper. I am not saying all Japanese dampers are junk. I am basically leaning towards a just because its made in Japan does not make it good argument.

Until someone brings all these Japanese coilovers over here and road tests them on American roads and shock dyno's, them we will not know exactly about a lot of them. Until they actually try them themselves.
I will not argue against a road racer posting shock dyno tested information as he knows more than I. I will argue against the Japan o phile that thinks because its a expensive Japanese company it must be good, or because he has driven it on a Japanese road not an American road its a good coilover.
Thats a biased opinion at best with out any scientific controls in place and therefore is not conclusive.

To sum it up, this argument is going to go on and on until stuff is put side by side.
I am just tired of most people with not enough experience calling shit on posted scientific proof aka shock dyno's just because they are Japan o philes.

P.S. I do love a lot of Japanese stuff including my women. Though I will say Japan is not the technological leader of the world and if you think they are you need to learn more about things. They are good but not the greatest.

With all of this said I would love to see Moonface coilovers be good. I fear though, there is not enough product support here in the states to warrant buying them.
Again it would also have to be a test it to see if it works here, refer to my earlier statements about race tracks to understand.

Are u kiddin me? Thats why coilovers usually come with different spring rates fool. You cant seriously expect to go to a circuit event on coilover made for track with 10/8 s/r and then go off and see how they handle when your off roadin on those same coils to determine if they are quality or not. Shits stupid son.

[yokotas13]

all i gotta say
id take Koni, bilstein or Ohlins, over any JP coilover

[spool_sample]

Originally Posted by 3-240's-N-aMule

Are u kiddin me? Thats why coilovers usually come with different spring rates fool. You cant seriously expect to go to a circuit event on coilover made for track with 10/8 s/r and then go off and see how they handle when your off roadin on those same coils to determine if they are quality or not. Shits stupid son.

If you think that it just comes down to spring rates, you have a lot to learn.

It's not about the car being able to go to a track and then go down a dirt trail or whatever. It's about going track-to-track or street-to-track. Different tracks have different conditions - bumps and irregularities, types of pavement, marbles, etc. If you have bad dampers, it's very hard to adjust them to get the best performance, as a lot of them don't really adjust much to begin with. Usually this is a symptom of not enough rebound and too much compression, with both of those curves being too linear. As a result, the only drastic changes are with higher shock speeds... so what you're really changing when you turn the knob is how much you want the car to jump over bumps. Japanese companies just crank the spring rates up to try to mask this problem. This is how it feels to me... someone like Wiisass can probably explain what's going on inside the damper.

Not all the Japanese coilovers are like this, though, but the ones that aren't dont use shitty dampers, i.e. Topline uses Aragosta, Ennepetal and Amuse use Bilstein... there are probably other, smaller companies, I'm sure.

That said, it's definitely possible to have a car be fast with shocks that have bad valving (Moonface, for example, to remain on-topic), but they could definitely be faster if the shocks were better.

[devonkyle77]

i wonder how the moonface compares to stance gr+?

[Koopa Troopa]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Now the fact is Japanese roads are known to be smoother and Race tracks period are smoother.

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You ever been anywhere in Japan?

[firelizard]

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

You ever been anywhere in Japan?

To be fair, with rolling shots in videos like this: [ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=vD63FAkrjdE&feature=related[/ame]

I can see why people would think Japan has perfect roads. If nobody told me they weren't I wouldn't have thought they weren't perfect either.

Makes people like me jealous. Is that pic in your sig a shot from Japan? Because in Winnipeg, a turn like that would have 3 potholes, a crack down the middle of each lane, and busted joints every 5 yards.

[Koopa Troopa]

Originally Posted by firelizard

To be fair, with rolling shots in videos like this:

I can see why people would think Japan has perfect roads. If nobody told me they weren't I wouldn't have thought they weren't perfect either.

Makes people like me jealous. Is that pic in your sig a shot from Japan? Because in Winnipeg, a turn like that would have 3 potholes, a crack down the middle of each lane, and busted joints every 5 yards.

That video was filmed on the Tokyo Expressway.. All expressway's in Japan are toll roads so they better be perfect even the expressway in Okinawa is smooth as silk.

Yes, the picture is from my weekend hangout. What the picture doesn't show you is the huge dip right before the turn, the bump strips to slow cars down, guardrails so damaged they hang into the road and miscellaneous car chunks scattered randomly.

How can anyone that thinks a country that throws bump strips in the middle of roads have smooth roads?

Search "Osaka Touge" on youtube... That video shows what roads in Japan are really like...

[yudalicious]

MOON FACE! Make your car feel like it's driving on the cratered-filled surface of the moon! Moon Face coming at you!!! Lol, can't get over the name, at least the name Silk Road made you want to try them hahaha... If I'm in the US and I'm picking a suspension, I'd trust the thousands of weekend warriors running.. oh Konis, Bilsteins, in numerous venues like autocross, DEs, time trials, w2w racing over the handful of JDMtastic drifters who think running a coilover from an obscure shop half way across the globe is a good idea and that a mountain road is a bonafide "proving ground" for their suspension of choice.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

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You ever been anywhere in Japan?

I stand corrected. Happy egotist?

P.S. you should pay more attention to what people like Yudilicous are posting as well, you might learn something.
I still say you have your head stuck on JDM as gods gift to the world and see since your in armed forces you think you know everything.

[Koopa Troopa]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I stand corrected. Happy egotist?

P.S. you should pay more attention to what people like Yudilicous are posting as well, you might learn something.
I still say you have your head stuck on JDM as gods gift to the world and see since your in armed forces you think you know everything.

No I know everything cause I've been to more places then just California. Don't say "it's a known fact" if you have no idea what you're talking about. Just a general rule of thumb. Oh and check my location before you try and I say I'm stuck on "JDM being god's gift to the world..." Also I just spent 2,600 some dollars on SPL stuff so you can flush that down the toilette..


Don't really care what Yudilicous has to say. We're obviously in two separate worlds...

[yokotas13]

yerah, roads in jaopan really do suck

[Sil80Dreams]

Originally Posted by yudalicious

MOON FACE! Make your car feel like it's driving on the cratered-filled surface of the moon! Moon Face coming at you!!! Lol, can't get over the name, at least the name Silk Road made you want to try them hahaha... If I'm in the US and I'm picking a suspension, I'd trust the thousands of weekend warriors running.. oh Konis, Bilsteins, in numerous venues like autocross, DEs, time trials, w2w racing over the handful of JDMtastic drifters who think running a coilover from an obscure shop half way across the globe is a good idea and that a mountain road is a bonafide "proving ground" for their suspension of choice.

Yeah I'm not in it to be JDMtastic as you say, nor am I a drifter. I just don't want to by a crummy coilover. And I'm not made out of money and can't afford the great shit. I just want a good quality coilover for a somewhat reasonable price. That's also why I thought to make this fucking thread. To ask about their quality. And since this company makes one for my car, and have been in the racing industry for 15 years I thought I'd give them a shot.

[Koopa Troopa]

I'd get them as they offer rebuild kits and custom valving and spring rates.... Although I'm not in denial like some people on this forum who are desperately trying to be a JDM counter culture....

[irax]

Originally Posted by hrdprkin180

I know that Ib had a set on his old S14 and they held up like champs no leaks or anything. And he wasnt exactly easy on the car.

I am this person named Ib, I agree with this comment.

I've driven on various spring and shock combinations, and coilovers such as JIC FLT-A2's, Teins, Megans. I really like them, they are very durable, considering i did not drive on the best roads of miramesa aka POT HOLE EVERYWHERE! and they saw allot of drift time. I would get these again if Parts Shop Max coilovers weren't available in the US. At the same time I wish they had rear spring top hats like the Parts Shop Max does. The set I had were specifically for s15 because of the spring rates, but the ride quality wasn't bad or even that bouncy. The megan's I have now are ridiculously bouncy in comparison.

[yudalicious]

Originally Posted by Sil80Dreams

Yeah I'm not in it to be JDMtastic as you say, nor am I a drifter. I just don't want to by a crummy coilover. And I'm not made out of money and can't afford the great shit. I just want a good quality coilover for a somewhat reasonable price. That's also why I thought to make this fucking thread. To ask about their quality. And since this company makes one for my car, and have been in the racing industry for 15 years I thought I'd give them a shot.

I was kidding about the name, and the comments weren't directed at you. There was a very informative thread on koni/GC under Tech not long ago that you can find via search, and I'd consider them very reasonably priced and great quality. KTS and Stance are also good options, they're more plug-n-play than the Koni/GC, but I really wish I had manned up and gone the Koni/GC route instead KTS from the beginning. The KTS are good bang for the buck, but feel jittery on track compared to Konis and as a result I feel like I'm leaving some grip on the table.

My friend with the s14/Stance shares my sentiment. I don't think any of the popular choices will serve you wrong, though the Koni dampers are as good in real life as they appear on paper (imagine that, engineers and suspension experts do, in fact, know what they talk about). All 3 brands I named have a great reputation and support STATESIDE. I guess I'm on the counter JDM culture bandwagon since I want support near me that isn't sleeping when I'm awake... buuut I don't even know how to drift, so you should probably disregard my opinion anyway.

[dynamicck]

moonface if u can get a decent price.

[DJDANGER24]

so, did you finally decide what to run ?