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silviaz · 06-21-2008, 01:40 PM

I'm trying to pull out my lower timing chain cover on my ka24de and I can't! It's not even moving a little......

I pulled out the pulley and the 4 bolt on the top of to upper timing chain, 2 bolts on the oil pan and the rest of the bolt that the fsm is showing on the first page of the timing chain section. I've noticed a stange little head nut on the left.. but if it was only that ,It would move......(just a little screw on the top of the oil pan..)

I'm keeping the thermostat and the water pump on the front cover......

Any ideas ?

LA_phantom_240 · 06-21-2008, 01:45 PM

Ya gotta pull the oil pan off of the motor enough to get the pickup tube unbolted... and pry the shit out of it.

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 02:01 PM

ok thanks! I'll remove that oil pan.

Do you know what is that little bolt on the left and the right of the lower timing chain cover... the bolt look so tiny... I have no clue what type of tool I need.

gotta240 · 06-21-2008, 02:07 PM

hahaha. I did the same thing. I was ready to hit the motor with a sledge hammer due to frustration of having EVERY bolt out, yet it wouldn't budge.

Depending on the year motor, as stated above, the oil pickup is connected to the front cover. Drop pan, remove pickup bolts, done.

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 02:16 PM

hehe gotta240, you feel my pain too.

I took a picture of the strange bolt I didn't remove yet. I don't know what to do with them cuz I don't have that strange tool with me... I hate my car with a passion right now.

gotta240 · 06-21-2008, 02:22 PM

hang on. i'm going to look at mine now.

edit. Those are allignment dowels that are stuck in the block. they just hold the cover in proper position. Don't try to take them out.

Just remove all the bolts, oil pan, oil pickup, and it will pop off.

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 02:25 PM

thx I LOVE YOU lol

+rep 1 billion points

gotta240 · 06-21-2008, 02:27 PM

haha. no worries. I just took two of them appart in the last few weeks. Let me know if you have any more questions.

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 09:16 PM

Ok I have a problem...... I removed the two bolt on the pick up tube and the cover don't want to go off the engine. I'll upload some picture soon.

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 09:26 PM

Here's a better view of what I did today...

I don't know if I should remove the two other bolt on each side of the lower timing chain.

97KATURBOSILVIA · 06-21-2008, 09:28 PM

Spray lube on crank pulley it may be ceased to metering oil gear, and yes pics are now needed make sure you take pics of upper and lower of what u removed so far.

HEY THERE IS A BOLT BEHIND THE DISTRIBUTER (ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM) SO ONE GOES DOWN INTO BOTTOM COVER IT IS A 10MM DID YOU REMOVE THEM

oh yea almost forgot the pcv come off with the bottom cover you have to disconnect the water hoses and pcv breather hoses from the back did you do that also

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 09:42 PM

I removed so far:

All the bolts attached to the lower timing chain cover, I kept the water pump and the thermostat.

I removed the alternator braket
the crank pulley has you can see.
the oil pan.
the oil pickup tube (3 bolts total)
A vaccum/tube behind the thermostat.

Some people told me it was not necessary to remove the upper timing chain cover.... that's why I'm keeping it.

Maybe I did everything...but that cover is pretty hard to remove... fuck!

97KATURBOSILVIA · 06-21-2008, 10:04 PM

you missed a 12mm behind the wayer pump pulley take off the pulley its on the left and not part of the water pump housing, i can see it still there in the pics if it is part of the water pump housing just remove the water pump for sake. crap just take the top cover off as well u are missing something i just did a rebuild yesterday and it looks as if you got it but obviously u missed something

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 10:06 PM

The damn cover is now moving!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'll be back

97KATURBOSILVIA · 06-21-2008, 10:12 PM

AHHH progress and for the love of 240's get some engine degreaser FTW

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 10:30 PM

i removed the water pump it has nothing to do with the cover but its ok. the cover is now 1/4inch off. i'll need the help of someone cuz it looks glued haha.

silviaz · 06-21-2008, 10:50 PM

It's 1:00 AM, i'll update this thread later on sunday for the progress.

97KATURBOSILVIA · 06-21-2008, 10:50 PM

Keep at it work it back and forth, it should have gasket maker on it like rtv blue or black. GL

LA_phantom_240 · 06-21-2008, 11:45 PM

I assume you also took he upper timing cover off as well? I'm pretty sure you need to take that off. Don't quote me on that though. Ive always had it off already before tackling the lower cover lol.

gotta240 · 06-21-2008, 11:47 PM

Thats what i said. I don't think its necessary, but it def. makes things easier and lessens the chance of missing a bolt.

If i were you, i'd remove distributor, remove upper cover, then lower cover.

s14coastie · 06-22-2008, 07:46 AM

You probably got it out by now but, if not, did you remove these bolts behind the distributor??

silviaz · 06-22-2008, 08:16 PM

Finally the job is DONE! There was no missing bolt......... I feel soooo stupid.. It was only very, very well sealed I could not believe it. I used a mastic knife and a hammer between the cover and the bloc and it moved after that! Now, the engine is ready to drop, there's no more oil on the engine so 97turbokasilvia will be happy ! lol I can lick my engine now!

There's only a bad thing I did...... I didn't want to remove the upper timing chain cover... I just hope it'll not leak from the top... I'll be able to tell you if the job is perfect this week.

koukimonster139 · 06-22-2008, 08:22 PM

yea that really good seal.... that was the front portion of the head gasket holding it on

hope ya didnt fuck that up.....

silviaz · 06-22-2008, 08:35 PM

I know there's one bolt missing on the pulley.

I'm just waiting the proper tool to bolt it with the right spec.

koukimonster139 · 06-22-2008, 08:37 PM

lol

yes!

gasket maker

97KATURBOSILVIA · 06-22-2008, 09:13 PM

looks yummy

good job, now pat your self on the back and go driving

projectRDM · 06-22-2008, 09:22 PM

I hope you:

1) replaced the hat seal
2) didn't go as crazy on the timing cover as you did up top on the head gasket with RTV

I've seen three engines fail due to low oil pressure from people gooping so much RTV that they block the oil passage into the block from the oil pump. First startup, brand new parts or timing kit, 10 minutes later they've got shredded bearings.

silviaz · 06-23-2008, 09:31 AM

Thank you project RDM for the neg. I didn't go crazy on my silicone except on the top. I respected the 3mm to 5mm passage on the rest of the cover. I'm not as bad as you think. I'll clean that thing off.

On the rest of the cover, it's very clean, even the oil pan is looking perfect.

LA_phantom_240 · 06-23-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silviaz

Thank you project RDM for the neg. I didn't go crazy on my silicone except on the top. I respected the 3mm to 5mm passage on the rest of the cover. I'm not as bad as you think. I'll clean that thing off.

On the rest of the cover, it's very clean, even the oil pan is looking perfect.

Don't get butthurt over neg reps. They happen, trust me. Oh and unless he actually put his SN in the neg rep (which I do for non-premies, neg or pos.)... then yeah.

But yeah, RDM the same thing happened to my friend's s13 motor. Old man who owned the car last went muy loco with the RTV... Spun two bearings. Sucks.

06-21-2008, 01:40 PM	#1
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	facking timing chain cover... I'm trying to pull out my lower timing chain cover on my ka24de and I can't! It's not even moving a little...... I pulled out the pulley and the 4 bolt on the top of to upper timing chain, 2 bolts on the oil pan and the rest of the bolt that the fsm is showing on the first page of the timing chain section. I've noticed a stange little head nut on the left.. but if it was only that ,It would move......(just a little screw on the top of the oil pan..) I'm keeping the thermostat and the water pump on the front cover...... Any ideas ?

06-22-2008, 08:22 PM	#23
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 38 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea that really good seal.... that was the front portion of the head gasket holding it on hope ya didnt fuck that up..... __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

06-22-2008, 08:37 PM	#25
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 38 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol yes! gasket maker __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

06-22-2008, 09:22 PM	#27
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I hope you: 1) replaced the hat seal 2) didn't go as crazy on the timing cover as you did up top on the head gasket with RTV I've seen three engines fail due to low oil pressure from people gooping so much RTV that they block the oil passage into the block from the oil pump. First startup, brand new parts or timing kit, 10 minutes later they've got shredded bearings. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

06-21-2008, 02:01 PM	#3
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok thanks! I'll remove that oil pan. Do you know what is that little bolt on the left and the right of the lower timing chain cover... the bolt look so tiny... I have no clue what type of tool I need.

06-21-2008, 02:07 PM	#4
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	hahaha. I did the same thing. I was ready to hit the motor with a sledge hammer due to frustration of having EVERY bolt out, yet it wouldn't budge. Depending on the year motor, as stated above, the oil pickup is connected to the front cover. Drop pan, remove pickup bolts, done.

06-21-2008, 02:16 PM	#5
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hehe gotta240, you feel my pain too. I took a picture of the strange bolt I didn't remove yet. I don't know what to do with them cuz I don't have that strange tool with me... I hate my car with a passion right now.

06-21-2008, 02:22 PM	#6
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	hang on. i'm going to look at mine now. edit. Those are allignment dowels that are stuck in the block. they just hold the cover in proper position. Don't try to take them out. Just remove all the bolts, oil pan, oil pickup, and it will pop off.

06-21-2008, 02:25 PM	#7
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thx I LOVE YOU lol +rep 1 billion points

06-21-2008, 02:27 PM	#8
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	haha. no worries. I just took two of them appart in the last few weeks. Let me know if you have any more questions.

06-21-2008, 09:16 PM	#9
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok I have a problem...... I removed the two bolt on the pick up tube and the cover don't want to go off the engine. I'll upload some picture soon.

06-21-2008, 09:26 PM	#10
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here's a better view of what I did today... I don't know if I should remove the two other bolt on each side of the lower timing chain.

06-21-2008, 09:28 PM	#11
97KATURBOSILVIA Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MELBOURNE FL Age: 44 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	Spray lube on crank pulley it may be ceased to metering oil gear, and yes pics are now needed make sure you take pics of upper and lower of what u removed so far. HEY THERE IS A BOLT BEHIND THE DISTRIBUTER (ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM) SO ONE GOES DOWN INTO BOTTOM COVER IT IS A 10MM DID YOU REMOVE THEM oh yea almost forgot the pcv come off with the bottom cover you have to disconnect the water hoses and pcv breather hoses from the back did you do that also

06-21-2008, 09:42 PM	#12
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I removed so far: All the bolts attached to the lower timing chain cover, I kept the water pump and the thermostat. I removed the alternator braket the crank pulley has you can see. the oil pan. the oil pickup tube (3 bolts total) A vaccum/tube behind the thermostat. Some people told me it was not necessary to remove the upper timing chain cover.... that's why I'm keeping it. Maybe I did everything...but that cover is pretty hard to remove... fuck!

06-21-2008, 10:04 PM	#13
97KATURBOSILVIA Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MELBOURNE FL Age: 44 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	you missed a 12mm behind the wayer pump pulley take off the pulley its on the left and not part of the water pump housing, i can see it still there in the pics if it is part of the water pump housing just remove the water pump for sake. crap just take the top cover off as well u are missing something i just did a rebuild yesterday and it looks as if you got it but obviously u missed something

06-21-2008, 10:06 PM	#14
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The damn cover is now moving!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'll be back

06-21-2008, 10:12 PM	#15
97KATURBOSILVIA Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MELBOURNE FL Age: 44 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	AHHH progress and for the love of 240's get some engine degreaser FTW

06-21-2008, 10:30 PM	#16
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i removed the water pump it has nothing to do with the cover but its ok. the cover is now 1/4inch off. i'll need the help of someone cuz it looks glued haha.

06-21-2008, 10:50 PM	#17
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's 1:00 AM, i'll update this thread later on sunday for the progress.

06-21-2008, 11:47 PM	#20
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Thats what i said. I don't think its necessary, but it def. makes things easier and lessens the chance of missing a bolt. If i were you, i'd remove distributor, remove upper cover, then lower cover.

06-22-2008, 07:46 AM	#21
s14coastie Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hampton roads, VA Posts: 153 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	You probably got it out by now but, if not, did you remove these bolts behind the distributor??

06-22-2008, 08:16 PM	#22
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Finally the job is DONE! There was no missing bolt......... I feel soooo stupid.. It was only very, very well sealed I could not believe it. I used a mastic knife and a hammer between the cover and the bloc and it moved after that! Now, the engine is ready to drop, there's no more oil on the engine so 97turbokasilvia will be happy ! lol I can lick my engine now! There's only a bad thing I did...... I didn't want to remove the upper timing chain cover... I just hope it'll not leak from the top... I'll be able to tell you if the job is perfect this week.

06-22-2008, 08:35 PM	#24
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I know there's one bolt missing on the pulley. I'm just waiting the proper tool to bolt it with the right spec.

06-22-2008, 09:13 PM	#26
97KATURBOSILVIA Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MELBOURNE FL Age: 44 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	looks yummy good job, now pat your self on the back and go driving

06-23-2008, 09:31 AM	#28
silviaz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 365 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thank you project RDM for the neg. I didn't go crazy on my silicone except on the top. I respected the 3mm to 5mm passage on the rest of the cover. I'm not as bad as you think. I'll clean that thing off. On the rest of the cover, it's very clean, even the oil pan is looking perfect.