Enlisted Navy jobs?

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Doc, a true "Mustang" was a SNCO before crossing the street.

The actual leadership they gained becomming Staff is what makes them better Officers.

Here is my basic take on Officers from time working with them:

You little slip of paper from "Whatever State University" means you get to sit in the cockpit and work the controls of a mulit-million dollar piece of machinary.

Meanwhile, a highschool diploma is more than enough to keep that multi-million dollar piece of shit operating.

I have had Marines out on the flight line in 100+ degree temperatures working for hours to get a plane ready for flight, only to have an Officer turn down the flight because the Air Conditioning isn't working on the aircraft.

Yeah, Officers are great.

Serious?

His response should have been a big fucking "Thanks and good work!!! and now it's my turn to go to do my job"

Fuck the AC not working. They busted their asses to get you in the air, not keep you comfy cool while you're in the air.

Story like that makes me consider going in for officer after uni just a little more. Officers are management, but also leaders. Best leaders lead by example. In the military that's AKA getting dirty and busting your ass right beside your enlisted men whenever possible IMHO.

[cdlong]

Originally Posted by shade

And plus six years active duty obligation isn't bad.

"you mean you promise me to pay me a decent amount with regular promotions and raises for 6 years for doing a cool job? where's the downside again?" that's how i see it.

Originally Posted by azndoc

I hate officers.

Yeah that's right I fucking said it.

Unless your a mustang.

Enlisted run the show, I don't know what officers are good for except setting up dog and pony shows to make themselves look better.

If your an officer and your offended. Good.

if you think that's all officers do, good. like i said, enlisted get the job done, officers just give them the tools to do it. if you think money, personnel and materials just show up, fine.

i'm more offended that you can't spell "you're" properly. it's not like i haven't heard the jokes before. and at first i thought you were being knowledgeable and nice because the 51FW is nicknamed the mustangs. FYI, one of the worst officers i know was prior enlisted.

Originally Posted by azndoc

Hence I said mustangs.

Which are officers with prior enlisted years.

Or those that crossed the street.

I think I'm going to neg rep cdlong until he's in the red.

Yeah......

thanks i'm just giving you the same crap you're giving me. it wouldn't take too much to make me red anyway.

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

You little slip of paper from "Whatever State University" means you get to sit in the cockpit and work the controls of a mulit-million dollar piece of machinary.

Meanwhile, a highschool diploma is more than enough to keep that multi-million dollar piece of shit operating.

I have had Marines out on the flight line in 100+ degree temperatures working for hours to get a plane ready for flight, only to have an Officer turn down the flight because the Air Conditioning isn't working on the aircraft.

Yeah, Officers are great.

don't get me started on pilots... AF pilots should be warrant officers. some pilots just do it to fly and want to stay in a cockpit their entire career. we should let them, considering the training it takes and there's no need to waste that 4 years on college level basket weaving when they could be flying. some want to take on leadership roles. the former could be warrants, the latter could be officers.

my career field (civil engineer) requires a technical degree because i actually have a use for it. talk bad about officers all you want, but i know my role.

a note about the AC not working in a jet, consider sitting in a small box for hours surrounded by electronics and jet engines with the sun beating down on you wearing a helmet and full suit with no AC while someone could start shooting at you. 100 degrees would be nice.

[ThatGuy]

Oh if it were a combat mission, or something important along those lines, certainly, by all means, lets get you a bird with Air Conditioning.

But I was working at a training squadron. This was just a "I need XX number of flight hours this month to get flight pay" type of deal. Yet, there we were, day in and day out. Making birds flyable on a non-stop schedule because of the high profile of the V22 in the media. Birds HAD to fly and HAD to look good. Many a night I came in at 1500 and went home at 0800 the following morning.

I don't "hate" pilots, by any means. Most of them are nice guys. I just don't see where that degree is doing them much good.

"Why isn't my radio working?"
-"It's turned off, Sir"

"I think we need a new generator, this one shut off on me when I was winding down."
-"The generators are suppose to fall off line below XX RPM, Sir."
"Well, check it out anyway"
-"Yes Sir"

"Why can't I test the FCS? (Flight Control System)"
-"Because you are pressing the ECS (Environmental Control System) key, Sir. Try the button above that one."

I can go on and on.

It probably wouldn't upset me so much if I didn't see my guys disrespected on a regular basis, after busting their ass to try to fix things.

Meh, it's all part of the job.

Many times, a well Educated Enlisted is a better leader and a more dangerous warrior than any Commissioned Officer could hope to be.

[azndoc]

Another thing I hate about officers.

Inability to take a joke.

Correcting my your and you're

Who cares its the Internet.

Didn't know I was writing a paper for my English class.

[cdlong]

i'm good, i know it was a joke, at least partly.

it's two key strokes, hardly something that will affect your day but will keep you from looking like an idiot in front of the whole world.

[radhaz]

To the OP, you want to join the Navy and you want to know what jobs are good and what aren't well that's all based on someones perspective really.

Honestly MrMeph gave you the soundest advice possible FINISH SCHOOL but undoubtedly you're going to do what you're going to do and no one will be able to tell you otherwise thats the nature of life.

CT is a broad stroke of the pen there's techs, operators, collectors, linguists and the latest and greatest network specialist. As for IT's while the rating looks good on paper but in reality leaves a lot to be desired.

In regards to how the reserves get treated in the USN, there's this wonderful program (insert sarcasm here) called Individual Augmentee commonly called IA where-in the USN (send the sailors to the army to fill in a spot where a soldier is needed. I could go on & on about the politics of this one but in my humble and thoroughly uneducated opinion this program looks to me like an attempt to justify spending money on a Navy during a large scale land-war kind of a "Hey look were helping see, don't cut out budget" so yeah we fill those jobs (they last 6-18 months) with a mix of active duty & reserve so you've always got a shot at that if you're unlucky.

Mustangs, well we've pretty much got LDO's, CWO's, STA-21's and prior enlisted. I'm not going to nuke this out but as it's been said the text book definition is anyone who has been prior enlisted and becomes and officer is a mustang. The title Mustang is normally one of respect and while it's true some Junior officer may have been in the navy for all of 8months and while in A school converted to the officer ranks it will undoubtedly get them nothing but clowned for claiming to actually be a Mustang.

The important thing is to pick a rate you're going to enjoy doing because you're going to be commited to whatever you take so why not share with us what you like to do? That way maybe some of the experienced folks can give you more tailored feedback vice derail this thread talking about the finer nuances of the military.

..so uh yeah I typed more than I planned guess it's good to be back on zilvia

[S13SilviaGirl]

Do the time, go to school. THEN go in. I had some bad ass officers, that I still keep in touch with to this day. Yes, there are some that are dicks...but at least with my job, they had a mutual respect for me and what I did, so I guess we were treated a little better. All in all, no matter when you go in, no matter when you are commissioned, NEVER treat enlisted like crap. They are the ones that determine your fitrep. Anyhow... I would say go with something that is in the field you are wanting to be an officer in. If you want to fly, do something in aviation. Just remember, you are STILL gonna have to do boot camp, a-school, training, 2 weeks a year min. ect. As a few others have stated, talk to an officer recruiter.

The navy will even pay off your college loans after you join. Just go talk to them and find out about it.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by radhaz

Honestly MrMeph gave you the soundest advice possible FINISH SCHOOL but undoubtedly you're going to do what you're going to do and no one will be able to tell you otherwise thats the nature of life.

guess it's good to be back on zilvia

Holy crap it's Shaun!
OP - listen to this guy - he's been in the Navy for a few millenia.

[radhaz]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

Holy crap it's Shaun!
OP - listen to this guy - he's been in the Navy for a few millenia.

Yeah it's like just the other day I remember sails & wooden ships....