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steve shadows · 08-21-2008, 01:22 PM

Not too stiff.

I thought your car was too stiff before without the cage fyi.

I can handle the 8/6 though because Ill be using R-Comps only although 7/5 might still be in the works (progressive springs)

racepar1 · 08-21-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

Not too stiff.

I thought your car was too stiff before without the cage fyi.

I can handle the 8/6 though because Ill be using R-Comps only although 7/5 might still be in the works (progressive springs)

There is no such thing as "too stiff", that is purely a myth.

Om1kron · 08-21-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by racepar1

There is no such thing as "too stiff", that is purely a myth.

That's what she said... j/k

cant wait to see the progress, I love build and fabrication threads. subscribed.

steve shadows · 08-21-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by racepar1

There is no such thing as "too stiff", that is purely a myth.

you sure about that? haha

not for drifting. there isnt

racepar1 · 08-21-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

you sure about that? haha

not for drifting. there isnt

I got the idea that you were referring to chasis stiffness. It is not possible to make a chasis too stiff, 0 flex is ideal there. For suspension stiffness (springs and sways) it is totally possible to go too stiff. As a matter of fact 99.9999999% of coilovers come right on the verge of being too stiff, especially for street tires.

McRussellPants · 08-22-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

you sure about that? haha

not for drifting. there isnt

shush steve.

lets not get into which cars run 18/18kg and which run 8/4kg

im sure you don't want to know the answer.

clark · 08-22-2008, 09:42 PM

badass...subscribed

ssteve · 09-21-2008, 02:04 PM

Bump for updates..

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Originally Posted by racepar1

There is no such thing as "too stiff", that is purely a myth.

Not true. At this level you will most likely never notice the difference between too stiff or not, but at a point there can be down sides to over stiffening the chassis. At least for maximum grip that is. Chassis stiffness on that level though is one of the most advanced forms of suspension tuning. For the most part people thinking something is over stiff is usually a large part because of a poorly dampened suspension or being over sprung.... IMO 99% of the cars you see with "performance" suspension are over sprung.

JDM671 · 09-21-2008, 02:07 PM

wow nitin havent seen you in a while. The build is back!!! nice!!

racepar1 · 09-21-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ssteve

Bump for updates..

Not true. At this level you will most likely never notice the difference between too stiff or not, but at a point there can be down sides to over stiffening the chassis. At least for maximum grip that is. Chassis stiffness on that level though is one of the most advanced forms of suspension tuning. For the most part people thinking something is over stiff is usually a large part because of a poorly dampened suspension or being over sprung.... IMO 99% of the cars you see with "performance" suspension are over sprung.

I'm sorry, You are 100000000% WRONG! ANY chasis flex is un-dampened movement, which means it is un-controlled. You want every single last bit of movement to be controlled by the shocks as YOU can do things to control that movement. I really don't know where people keep coming up with this bullshit from. I mean is there a book of idiotic car myths or something?

Nittin: WTF man? We need updates!!!!!! I am fiending like a crackhead to see how this build is progressing!

ssteve · 09-21-2008, 06:46 PM

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racepar1 · 09-21-2008, 07:01 PM

If you wanna correct understeer why not adjust the SUSPENSION like you are supposed to. Any racing chasis in history where the engineers attempted to use the chasis as a spring as well was only marginally successful at best. I come from the world of formula atlantic car racing. The monocoques of formula cars are made of a carbon fiber/honeycomb/kevlar composite material specifically because it basically does not flex. Look at the roll cage designs in REAL racecars as well. Do you really think that the inside of those cars look like a jungle gym only for safety? No, it is to stiffen the chasis as much as POSSIBLE. If you wanna try to tell me about real world actual racing experience you are barking up the wrong tree my friend. I have seen more race cars up close and personal then 90% of the rest of this forum combined. Not only that but I have seen the ones that were successful and the ones that weren't, both in the pits and on the track.

luisgonz · 09-21-2008, 07:03 PM

I got a bender if you need to bend it for you.LOL No joke I got one.

ssteve · 09-21-2008, 07:32 PM

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racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 42 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	If you wanna correct understeer why not adjust the SUSPENSION like you are supposed to. Any racing chasis in history where the engineers attempted to use the chasis as a spring as well was only marginally successful at best. I come from the world of formula atlantic car racing. The monocoques of formula cars are made of a carbon fiber/honeycomb/kevlar composite material specifically because it basically does not flex. Look at the roll cage designs in REAL racecars as well. Do you really think that the inside of those cars look like a jungle gym only for safety? No, it is to stiffen the chasis as much as POSSIBLE. If you wanna try to tell me about real world actual racing experience you are barking up the wrong tree my friend. I have seen more race cars up close and personal then 90% of the rest of this forum combined. Not only that but I have seen the ones that were successful and the ones that weren't, both in the pits and on the track.

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