Titan V8 in a 240

[StaticX27]

[codyace]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

I get 25mpg in my 400whp sr.

Its stupid to say that a 400 ht sr gets better gas milage, but the fact is that it fucking does!

I agree....I never get below 20, even beating the shit out of it. I was getting 30+ on long trips being nice.

But in the same respect I have 2 friends with 450 whp LS1's, both get mid 20's mpg, but considerably less when beating on it.

Originally Posted by Steve

Find me a 2008 GTO that will get 20mpg on the street.

They don't meak 08's homey

Originally Posted by Steve

Im directly addressing your points abou how a V8 crushes and humiliates smaller engines for performance.

It's hard to compare with the addition of Forced induction, but if you compare power gains per power gains N/A, you can't beat the improvments a CAM and bolt ons make to LSx engines...I mean it's crazy what they gain.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

I doubt anything short of a fully bolted on LS1 could keep up.

I know a 440whp LS1 T/A (stalled automatic) that runs 10.7's...oh yes.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

word is, Titans dyno around what stock LS1's do...hmm.....)

Correct, but be careful of alot of Titan dynos, as most can't get the thing to lock into 4th gear correct during a pull.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

First off the LS1 is indeed a very awesome engine. Is the install cheap in our cars? Yes if you do it back yard ghetto style. If done the right way? Its expensive, LS1 car owners know this fact.

Any swap isn't cheap. End result Hp/cost = how I base my opinions.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Second off, Whoever thinks the VQ series of engines does not have potential or is worthless expensive swap has really not done their research or seen a VQ swapped car in action.

Maybe worthless was the wrong term. I've been in some NASTY VQ and VG cars, and love them...but I look at a fully bolt on car still dynoing less than some stock LS1's, and question the swap from a performance aspect.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

300hp stock VQ engine can be had with all needed components for the swap for,3k! How do I know this? I own one, a 2005 Rev Up engine complete with the goodies and modules!

But it's not dynoing 300 to the ground.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Fact:Nismo's engine of tune is the VQ30DET

Fact: Formula Renault in Europe is run with VQ30DET engines.

Fact: Nismo is heavily involved in Renaults Formula one efforts.

Oh for sure. LSx is GM's engine of choice in all of their race cars. Funny watching a built LS7 make Turbo porsches and similar look silly in ALMS

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

Maybe he needs to experience the VQ for himself. Same can be said about drifting Mr. Iceman00.

I've been in both, love both...prefer the better potential of the LSx more.

Originally Posted by johngriff

Real technology advancements cost money. Things like direct injection are changing the efficiency/power/displacement equation all the time.

Certainly. I can't wait to see the potential of camless engines and the sort in the future...

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Just buy a fucking car with a V8 and be a 'real motorsports'

Fox body Stangs are cheap...mmm and great performance platforms too

Originally Posted by Steve

What the point paying 4-8k for a V8 in an s13, when you can buy a firebird for 8k, its already got a V8 and its ready to go.

Ah, very true...but most kids hate them as they think of them as mullet machines, etc etc...I love WS6 Firebirds...look awesome, and work well too!

I guess the only pros of the s13 swap is weight savings, and shock factor. Figure a T/A weighs 3600 lbs, and you can make an S13 weigh 1000 lbs les....scarey!

[StaticX27]

So like.. about that Titan motor. Its pretty retarded that this has turned into an LS1 vs VQ thread. Thread starter doesn't even care anymore :P

[codyace]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

So like.. about that Titan motor. Its pretty retarded that this has turned into an LS1 vs VQ thread. Thread starter doesn't even care anymore :P

I'll help bring it back on topic

VK56 makes nice power, yet is huge, bulky, expensive to find, and even more expensive to make work in an S chassis. The LS1 provides equal if not more power output, can be installed and found cheaper, has a much larger aftermarket, and is proven around the world.

[BigVinnie]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

I get 25mpg in my 400whp sr.

Find me a 2008 GTO that will get 20mpg on the street.

Im directly addressing your points abou how a V8 crushes and humiliates smaller engines for performance.

Couple of points here to make that are important.

Your SR is in a much lighter weight S chassis than it is in a Corvette or a GTO!!!!! I am willing to bet you throw an N/A V8 into an S chassis you would barely need to step on the gas and would probably get better Gas mileage than your SR does. Isn't a vette and GTO within 1000LB's heavier than our S chassis? The argument you keep saying is that your 4 banger will get better gas mileage than a V8 that doesn't need to struggle at all with load.

What everyone fails to miss is an engines ability to produce power under load and do as least amount of effort as possible. A 4banger until the intake manifold builds enough pressure is doing more work!!!! Not only is back pressure building up between the turbo and engine, more fuel is added to cool a cylinder charge because the turbo system is forcing the engine to do something it NORMALLY doesn't do. This means the engine needs a much more stabilized environment when it comes to fuel aiding the engine from constant detonation!!!!

Originally Posted by johngriff

Technology advances are being made and deployed, while vinny what you quoted is true, that is the inexpensive short term answer to keeping power/emissions standards.

Real technology advancements cost money. Things like direct injection are changing the efficiency/power/displacement equation all the time.

Not here to make an argument John , but the only concern manufacturers care about is making things cheaper and easier why spend the money if it's not needed, all companies do is react to the rules provided by the EPA.

The system that is in place is proven to work. The changes were made from the day OBD2 was put into place and chances are that things won't change.
As long as natural aspirated engines continue to make inflated HP numbers year to year, compression ratio's get higher, and more platinum is added to CATs to reduce NOX emissions, I don't think we will be seeing any changes any time soon.

On another note I work for a construction company called IMX, my boss started a bio diesel fuel company that I manage beyond managing the construction company. If things are going the way it is we will be seeing more bio diesel turbo charged engines, then we will for ethanol, or petro fueled turbo engines. The industry right now is doing a complete 180. So far vehicles producing the most VE, and MPG are diesel engines, not gasoline or ethanol powered. Gasoline direct injection is phasing out before it ever became big.

Sorry this went way off topic...

[fromxtor]

Titan VK56DE for sale $1500:
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/buy-...tan-parts.html

[mRclARK1]

I had a longer post typed out... but then my computer crashed. haha

Cliff notes from said post: It all depends on what your power goals are, and what type of racing and/or driving you want to do, and also how competitively. IE: If you want to a nice daily/weekend track car for drifting (if that's what you're into... just an example Iceman. lol) you'll probably just be best off going with an SR or KA-T. Easy to do, relatively cheap, and LOTS of support out there. Not to mention drifting with a high HP car doesn't provide as much of an edge as it does in other types of racing.

On the other hand, if it's strictly a track car, and you're all about drag racing. You'll probably benefit more from an LS swap.

Again... those are just examples.

This is all trumped however by a little thing called 'personal preference'.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

no, pocket book.

buy an exotic if you want the lesbian orgies on your 6mil$ houses balcony

while you pour melted giardeli chocolate on their breasts.

[tailspin]

I agree with the Ls1 folks. Ls1 is a good idea..

I saw the Ls1 conversions for the mazdas and I had my mind set on getting an FD.. but now that people do it to s14s I'm pretty happy to know I can just keep my car instead of selling it for an FD.

Besides the LsX motor mod was said to be like 20lbs difference between the KA motors (minus the heater and A/C). So its not too bad of a weight diff. So you can still get your swerve on w/o having to adjust too much in skill

[5.6inmyS14]

ls1's are the best motor on the market for swapping into another car.

but if you want to stay with the same breed of car and have a V8 for cheap go with a titan 5.6

here is my ls1 rx7.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQOsmt60fk[/ame]

now im going with 56 in my s14

[McRussellPants]

LS1 sounds so fucking gross without longtubes and a lightweight flywheel.


making an LS1 cool is so much work and money.



That being said, if I needed a motor to do burnouts in front of eurotrash clubs, LS1 would be it.

[racer98]

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

LS1 sounds so fucking gross without longtubes and a lightweight flywheel.


making an LS1 cool is so much work and money.



That being said, if I needed a motor to do burnouts in front of eurotrash clubs, LS1 would be it.

LS1 in a 85 MBZ 300D 4dr as it would make it smog exempt.
now that would be a laugh. + weilded up rear diff would maks for some fun.

[PoorMans180SX]

Titan V8 in S14 build:
http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46288

looks like it requires some serious work. At least how this guy did it.

[racer98]

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Titan V8 in S14 build:
http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46288

looks like it requires some serious work. At least how this guy did it.

Tell him nice job!

[PoorMans180SX]

Oh, I definitely have. I've been following the thread since it started and he definitely knows his stuff.

[brainfood]

This thread was worthless. Who cares about ls1 thats not what this thread is about. I know I bumped an old ass thread but its been a while that auto one isnt even done yet has anyone done one with a 6sp. Its pretty common z33 chassis swap now so the trans has to be worked out. Without a custom intake manifold I dont know how it could be done and keep it legal for sanctioned racing, since most you cant cut the firewall. Opinions? Facts?