Time to CAGE my S13... NitinJ is back!... PICS!... - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

ssteve · 09-21-2008, 06:46 PM

................

racepar1 · 09-21-2008, 07:01 PM

If you wanna correct understeer why not adjust the SUSPENSION like you are supposed to. Any racing chasis in history where the engineers attempted to use the chasis as a spring as well was only marginally successful at best. I come from the world of formula atlantic car racing. The monocoques of formula cars are made of a carbon fiber/honeycomb/kevlar composite material specifically because it basically does not flex. Look at the roll cage designs in REAL racecars as well. Do you really think that the inside of those cars look like a jungle gym only for safety? No, it is to stiffen the chasis as much as POSSIBLE. If you wanna try to tell me about real world actual racing experience you are barking up the wrong tree my friend. I have seen more race cars up close and personal then 90% of the rest of this forum combined. Not only that but I have seen the ones that were successful and the ones that weren't, both in the pits and on the track.

luisgonz · 09-21-2008, 07:03 PM

I got a bender if you need to bend it for you.LOL No joke I got one.

ssteve · 09-21-2008, 07:32 PM

.................

racepar1 · 09-21-2008, 09:09 PM

"Fast" street cars are not actually fast for the most part. If you truly think that adjusting your chasis stiffness is the right way to go about dialing some understeer out of the car then you are SERIOUSLY mis-guided. I don't give a rat's ass what the time attack guys do either. 99.999999% of them are not exactly set-up masters. Set-up your car however you want, that goes for GST as well, you will never be right IMO and absolutely nothing you ever say will change that. If GST picked up time after removing some chasis braces, it was a fluke and/or they had other set-up problems.

09-21-2008, 06:46 PM	#1
ssteve Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: santa rosa CA Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	................ Last edited by ssteve; 09-22-2008 at 12:14 PM..

09-21-2008, 07:32 PM	#4
ssteve Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: santa rosa CA Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	................. Last edited by ssteve; 09-22-2008 at 12:21 PM..

09-21-2008, 07:01 PM	#2
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 42 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	If you wanna correct understeer why not adjust the SUSPENSION like you are supposed to. Any racing chasis in history where the engineers attempted to use the chasis as a spring as well was only marginally successful at best. I come from the world of formula atlantic car racing. The monocoques of formula cars are made of a carbon fiber/honeycomb/kevlar composite material specifically because it basically does not flex. Look at the roll cage designs in REAL racecars as well. Do you really think that the inside of those cars look like a jungle gym only for safety? No, it is to stiffen the chasis as much as POSSIBLE. If you wanna try to tell me about real world actual racing experience you are barking up the wrong tree my friend. I have seen more race cars up close and personal then 90% of the rest of this forum combined. Not only that but I have seen the ones that were successful and the ones that weren't, both in the pits and on the track.

09-21-2008, 07:03 PM	#3
luisgonz BANNED Join Date: May 2004 Location: los angeles Age: 42 Posts: 2,761 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I got a bender if you need to bend it for you.LOL No joke I got one.

09-21-2008, 09:09 PM	#5
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 42 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	"Fast" street cars are not actually fast for the most part. If you truly think that adjusting your chasis stiffness is the right way to go about dialing some understeer out of the car then you are SERIOUSLY mis-guided. I don't give a rat's ass what the time attack guys do either. 99.999999% of them are not exactly set-up masters. Set-up your car however you want, that goes for GST as well, you will never be right IMO and absolutely nothing you ever say will change that. If GST picked up time after removing some chasis braces, it was a fluke and/or they had other set-up problems.