1/4 mile time

[My240sx]

What would u think a stock 97 nissan 240sx SE would run and do u think it could beat a 99-00 Civic SI??????

[Eternal_240Sx]

i dont think you can..doesnt the new si's have the rsx engine in there?
my bro has an rsx and i beat him by three feet, but this is only from stop the end of third gear. I think in fourth the rsx will probrably kill me.

[SilviaDriver]

numbers for numbers the Si will win

but on the street its a good run between the two. it can go both ways

Eternal_240sx: hez talking about the EK Coupe Si, not the EP Si. the EP Si have a K20 engine, same engine as the Base model RSX i think.

[theFlowMasta]

hahaha.....my s14 se with just a filter burned the si the 1st run...but after that the vtec kicks in and they catch up in 3rd gear.... ....but hey every single time i took them off the line up to 3rd..... ...but it alwasy depends on the driver...

note: i ran 2 of my friends 99, coupe si about 10 times...we got bored....if your talking about the new si hb im not sure all i know is that their vtec systme kicks in very early around 2300 and gives them full power thorught their power band till redline...

[Dream240]

I read an article that actually posts the new 01-02 SI hatchbacke to be SLOWER than its predecessor. The 99-00 is faster but only by mere tenths.
So I think you'd probably have a better chance against the newer SI than the old. But that's just my opinion....never raced one. And even if I did my cars not stock anyways.

[speeddreamz]

Sorry man, the SI has the advantage over you, 160hp i think is in a b16, plus he has a giant weight advantage.

[SRKperformance]

uggmmm (cough!) the new si or even the old si wieghs in at about 2650 lbs. a s13 wieghs in at about 2690 or lbs. Check your specs. Btw its a k20 motor with 160 hp and 140 flt lbs or trq not a freakin b16. the old one had a b16 with like 115ft lbs of trq and 160 hp. In a 91 240sx ka24de you could beat a si with only an air fliter. the new sis run horrid times stock. i saw them runing consistant 16.2s at fontana and a s13 hatch with air fillter and exaust with ka24de otherwise bone stock was beating the modded sis left and right.

[DarkRaptor42]

The new SI is a pile. It wieghs alot and I good driver in a s13 should have no problem with it. Vtech is BS. My friend just came over in his 99 turboed civic si that he wants to sell because it runs awful times even with the turbo. Pushing 7 psi he said all he did was a 14.2

[drifties151]

"VTECH" lmao i love it... ne ways... VTEC or IVTEC it doesnt matter, its gunna beat a 240 on the highway... however we do stand a chance on the strip... most of the time those hondas cant get 4th gear to open up on the strip... the same 4th gear pull that kills us on the highway.

[Dream240]

Originally posted by drifties151
"VTECH" lmao i love it... ne ways... VTEC or IVTEC it doesnt matter, its gunna beat a 240 on the highway... however we do stand a chance on the strip... most of the time those hondas cant get 4th gear to open up on the strip... the same 4th gear pull that kills us on the highway.

Yeah it's true about the SIs on the highway, I raced a 00' in LA a couple months ago and he was right there with me the whole way to 120mph. Good race , the 4th gear revs saved his ass.
And actually, I find myself racing more on the freeways than on the street. And it's true that the SIs suffer on the strip/street races when comparing stock cars. Either way they're always good match ups.

[SRKperformance]

thats a damn good time for a turbo si. i normally see turbo type rs runing the same times or worse.

[The Mole]

I must jump in here and defend the hondas...thus this is where i came from for so long. 14.2 good for turbo SI?? Turbo Type R's running about the same???

this sounds like some people in your are dont know what theyre doing, should be much faster than that.

And for the new EP civics, one of my buddys was first to have frankenstein motor in it, its the 2.4 CRV vtec block, with an rsx type s head. His name is Jack and he owns P1automotive.com in south carolina...here is motor page http://www.p1auto.com/bigblockep/ep.htm

it runs very well...he was tracking it at the 2003 type R expo in beaver falls PA...we all got back monday...it was a blast

-chris

[Dream240]

Generally speaking 14.2 times are decent. But when you're talking about investing all that money to turbo a car and that's all it puts out, well I could see the desire of wanting to sell it. Then again, what more could you expect from 7 psi in a Civic?

If I'm not mistaken, the stock KA24DE with standard turbo kit running about $4000, with 6.5 psi could generate low 13s(correct me if I'm wrong). This is where cars like the 240 with it's large displacement (2.4) can generate more power/torque than the smaller civic engines from just a turbo kit.

I think B-series engines are very good blocks and everytime I go to get gas I envy all those civic drivers! But most of the time you'll need alot more money invested into a B16/B18 than a KA24 or SR20 to get the same amount of power, thus producing similar strip times.

[The Mole]

14.2s? for turbo??

i had a EG civic hatch..gsr motor with b16 head, jdm itr pistons
and ctr cams....14" stock honda hx wheels, and shot ass cheapo pirelli tires, 13.8s all day long
untuned also header, cold air and 2.25" custom exhaust trhough a dynomax muffler to keep it quite

and that was a lot cheaper than any turbo setup

[4-20sx]

well from my expierences...i took a 02 SI and a 99-00 SI also...thats wit jus a filter....lol...and i took off on his a$$ like noting....believe in ur car....and ull beat him...thats all i gotta say..maybe in the freeway they could beat u but not drag...depending on the driver...

[SRKperformance]

13.8s huh? just curious what was your trap speed? btw b16 head on gsr block raises the compression considerably over stock gsr motor then the itr pistons raise the comp over 11:1, and dont tell me you didnt mill your head a little. 13.8 is damn good almost too good how stripped was your ride, any ecu/fuel upgrades, how about jdm lsd? Sounds like a 13.8 is possible with that much compression in that little motor and that light of a chasis.
Remeber the si is no lightwieght, neither is the type r, you take a high comp eg hatch of course its goin to run better times than a lightly boosted si or type r. the cylinder pressure in your allmotor car is equal if not more than the lightly boosted b16 si plus your car wieghs about 400lbs at least less. also whats up with that link you sent me, it doesnt show the hp side of the scale on the dyno chart , is there a reason why???

good times non the less for an eg

[hookedup240]

um... sorry to break up the honduh talk but this is a nissan forum... right?

Driver skill will most likely decide this race(if they are 5 spds) imo, because i think they are very close in hp and 1/4 mi times.

[SRKperformance]

dont get me wrong i hate hondas, but im just being respectful of his old car.

[240Stilo]

Originally posted by SRKperformance
dont get me wrong i hate hondas, but im just being respectful of his old car.

Why?

[lbcklik1486]

Where's the love gone?

[chairmnofthboard]

SRKperformance, a B16 head on a GSR block LOWERS compression, GSR pistons are not that nigh in compresion, its the cyl chambers GSR head where the GSR gets the higher compresion, a b16 head has a bigger quench area on the head so lowers compression, but has 10.2:1 (older B16) 10.4:1 (b16a2 new JDM engine) because the pistons are domed.

the problem with hondas is there HP is in the top end, so in order to keep up out of the lower gears you need to sacerfice your first gear by launching high, loosing your first gear, BUT then that leaves you above 5500 rpm allowing your vtec to be on the whole time, so you begin to pick up speed in 2nd, 3rd, (and in the 1/4 mile also your) 4th gear

to give you an exsample a bonestock GSR with slicks will run a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile. without slicks, about 15.2 (depending on driver, altitude, temp)

hondas were designed for roadcourses anyways, i dont know about the new honda stuff, its kinda heavy, and not as rev-happy

damn am i boing everyone? sorry.

oh by the way, im new <waving>

hello!

Xavier

[SRKperformance]

he has type r pistons

[SRKperformance]

im sorry but i think your still stuck in honda la la land. The fastest ive seen a normal driver at the track drive a bone stock 98 gsr is 15.8 in the 1/4 on g force drag radials. SLicks will not drop a full second off a 1/4 mile time unless your 60 fts are in the fing 2.8 range or so. You cant tell me a bone stock gsr on slicks is going to hook up 1.5 60 fts like pro all motor cars do or even street class awd cars arent even hitting. You thinking a bone stock gsr will run a 14.2 just with slicks is me saying a bone stock 240sx 91 hatch will run 14.7s with just a set of slicks. everyone knows thats bs because the hp allows for only a 85 mph or so trap at best. The type r integra ive seen time after time at my local track regularly pulls 2.2 in the 60 ft with the greddy bolt on turbo kit and hits 14.5s in the 1/4. Dude youll have to unbolt the exaust, run no air filter, advance the timing a **** load do a grip of wieght reduction and maybe thro on an adjustable cam gear to get remotly close to 14.2

go post that on fa. 14.2 on stock gsr. thats a riot.

just THINK


if this were tru then when i raced a gsr on slicks in a street race for money when my sr was runing 7 psi stock boost and my car was hitting 14.7s in the 1/4 the gsr should have smoked me. btw the gsr i raced also had cams, open headers and open throttle body with headers. i beat him by about 2.5 cars at the 1/4 mark . this is my only personal experience racing a gsr integra. the gsr equiipet hatch backs were also victems when i was runing stock boost.

[SRKperformance]

14.2 on slicks??? aru guys out of your mind, a bone stock integra gsr. even motortrend didnt run 15.2 with stock rubber i think the 99 gsr ran like 15.6 or 15.5. SO if i put slicks on a 15.5 sec car with a race car driver in it its goin to magically run 14.2s???!?!!?!? have you guys lost it? thats a 1.3 sec drop. that would mean the guy would have to stall off the line restart the car and then run the 1/4 to get such a bad 60 ft that slicks would cut 1.3 sec off his time. jesus

my friends gsr runs 2.2 in the 60 ft with bf goodrich drag radials, and this guy knows how to drive. His car is pretty much stock other than an intake and exaust and it runs in the 15.2 range. His raction time is .523 just to give you an idea of his skill.

another good comparision the new turbo neon in motor trend is said to run a 14.2 or so 1/4 time. This is a 215 hp 220 ftlb of trq vehicle that wieghs almost the same as an integra gsr, also fwd with some good rubber. This car runs 14.2s. We were playing with my buddies neon at the track and were running a set of slicks, the car ran 13.98
vs. previous tim of 14.3 60fts were previously 2.3 to 2.2 now 1.8 range damn good for fwd.

and this has nothing to do with my knowledge of hondas, having previously owned an ls vtec integra that ran 15.0s. this has to do with common sense experience at drag racing comps and race car tech for import drag.

[chairmnofthboard]

btw b16 head on gsr block raises the compression considerably over stock gsr motor

that doesnt raise compresion, that lowers compresion,

i understand you had 1 LSvtec, but dude i built a FEW lsvtec's, i have every Bseries engine in my teg, from LS, LS NOS, B16, different B16 with NOS, LSvtec all motor, different LSvtec NOS, B18c.

so i kinda have some experience in this, and my buddies GSR with FULL DRAG slicks, ran a 14.2 at pomona speedway about 4 years ago.

and if your pulling a 2.8 FT(i think thats what you said) you are a really poor driver, even with my B16 i ran better 60 ft.

Slicks make a big difference, you see slicked out street cars pulling 1.9 60 ft

in my AWD eclipse i hit a 1.7 60 ft, with an ACT clutch,

so things can happen, but you need to make them happen, just because your friendcan drop the clutch on the LAST YELLOW on the tree doenst make him a great driver, he's just has good reaction thats all

P.S. your RT has nothing to do with your 1/4 mile time or speed.

who wants to go only straight when you can turn left and right?
anyways im done with this thread, thank you all for listening

have a great day
Xavier

[SRKperformance]

crazy crazy. im still trippen out, whatever you guys say. wish i could see that in person

what im saying is that a 15.2 let say will not lose a full second thanks to slicks. I could see maybe .4 sec or even .5 sec. but a full second is insane.

im very familiar with pamona and have competed there before, and i know that slicks are 60ft improvers, thats the whole point, the whole shot etc, and lets say you ran a 15.2 in a "stock" gsr there cus it is a damn good track to run at with good conditions swapping on some slicks will make an improvement in your 60 ft. so what im trying to say is that lets say you run a 15.2 with a 2.3 sec 60 ft which would be an average gsr launch on some stock style tires. then you swap out to slicks and hook up 1.90 take your old 60 ft and subtract the new one from it. you get your time difference between 15.2 and your new time. So lets say your new time is 14.8 because of the 4 tenths of a sec improvement with the slicks. Im saying youve got to be having some horrid 60 fts for slicks to make a full secondi improvement in your et.

[The Mole]

no, i had no LSD, No ECU fuel upgrade, Not stripped, full ITR interior and street tires..no Drag Radials

and b16 head lowers compression, but flows about 18% better

my car was no race car..i can drive, and i followed this rule

K - keep
I - IT
S- Simple
S- Stupid


you can never go wrong with tht one..i live by it!!!! :-D


-chris

[SRKperformance]

itr pistons dont lower compression and its still an eg still way lighter than a si or a type r chasis

[The Mole]

did i say ITR pistons lower compression?

NO