weird thing I heard about the 9/11 attack last night

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

ok, so it's 7am and I'm a little bored but I thought I would share this with everyone and maybe people could share their stories or add input. DON'T TURN THIS INTO A "BUSH KILLED EVERYONE" THREAD!!!!

So I went to pick up my friend from work last night who inspects aircrafts. We hung out in the parking lot with about 10 older guys in their 50's/60's. Our talks turn to politics, then to the 9/11 attacks. They said that the second plane that hit the WTC was obvious to them that it wasn't a plane that was in AA fleet. They stated the exact plane it was and said that those types of planes didn't fly commercially since 85.
I guess they played all angles and with over 150 years of experience with building planes they ALL agreed to this.
I DO remember hearing THAT DAY that flight 175 was grounded in an emergency in Cleveland so I was shocked that it was 175 that crashed into the south tower. Going back and looking at the videos too there are tons of people that say "a plane hit the tower but it couldn't have been a commercial plane" or "the plane had no windows."
Now, I know that it doesn't make much sense because there were tons of people on that plane and what happened to them if this is true? There's just so many questions surrounding 9/11 that none of it makes sense, including the pretty obvious one with a "plane" hitting the pentigon when there was no evidence of a plane. The government said that the jet fuel insinerated the plane, yet the bodies weren't insinerated! WTF?
I know this is pretty stupid but I'm bored and this subject is pretty interesting to me simply because I always thought people were crazy for thinking conspiracies are true.

[exitspeed]

Hmmm, coincidence you have Zeitgeistmovie.com in your sig?

"Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."

[ThatGuy]

Flight 175's Windows
Claim: On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that "Bernback" saw the plane "crash into the South Tower." "It definitely did not look like a commercial plane," Birnbach said on air. "I didn't see any windows on the sides."

Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach's statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories — specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.



FACT: Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.

While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied — including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine — as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Flight 175's Windows
Claim: On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that "Bernback" saw the plane "crash into the South Tower." "It definitely did not look like a commercial plane," Birnbach said on air. "I didn't see any windows on the sides."

Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach's statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories — specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.



FACT: Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.

While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied — including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine — as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

Well that debunks the "remote test plane" theory that I've been reading all about. The theory about it being an older plane not in AA's fleet I still question though.

[ThatGuy]

Looks like a commercial jet to me.

Boeing 767-200ER

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Looks like a commercial jet to me.

Boeing 767-200ER

Photoshop obviously.

[90hatchie]

their are also claims that say the planes weret planes at all BUT MISSLES
which is so fucking retarded

[jskateborders]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

That pic pretty much proves it.
No windows

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Photoshop obviously.

lol. A plane is a plane to me. If it has 2 jets on the side then it looks like every plane with 2 jets on the side. I'll call him later and ask what distinctions are different. I'll also post the plane they said it was. But you're talking about well over 100 years of professional experience for reasonable people, most of whom voted for McCain.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by jskateborders

That pic pretty much proves it.
No windows

That was planted there like cops sprinklin crack.

PS I'm being very sarcastic with every post.

[ThatGuy]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

lol. A plane is a plane to me. If it has 2 jets on the side then it looks like every plane with 2 jets on the side. I'll call him later and ask what distinctions are different. I'll also post the plane they said it was.

I've given you photographs that SHOW the windows and that it is a current aircraft used for passengers.

Call, whoever you want.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

just got off the phone with him and he said that the distinctions are that the plane is about 30 feet too long. He didn't know what type of plane it could be but he'll ask. He said that the 767-200 was 175 and that a 767-200 is 159 feet long. The 767-300 is 180 feet long and the plane that hit the WTC was obviously over 200 ft long. He never worked on a plane that big

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

I've given you photographs that SHOW the windows and that it is a current aircraft used for passengers.

Call, whoever you want.

old planes have windows too. My arguement isn't that it didn't have windows, it was that the plane that hit was so old that it wasn't even in AA fleet.

[SoSideways]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

I've given you photographs that SHOW the windows and that it is a current aircraft used for passengers.

Call, whoever you want.

If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck...

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

just got off the phone with him and he said that the distinctions are that the plane is about 30 feet too long. He didn't know what type of plane it could be but he'll ask. He said that the 767-200 was 175 and that a 767-200 is 159 feet long. The 767-300 is 180 feet long and the plane that hit the WTC was obviously over 200 ft long. He never worked on a plane that big

He could tell from grainy as hell CNN footages?

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by 90hatchie

their are also claims that say the planes weret planes at all BUT MISSLES
which is so fucking retarded

in technical definition once the plane went from being used as a passenger carrier, to weapon it became a missile, as in it is a self propelled munition with the ability to change directions. lol i don't believe any of the damn conspiracy theory's out there, its like there is one for everything that happens.

[CrimsonRockett]

"Dude, yesterday, I fell off the stairs."

"Oh, really? Maybe you were pushed?"

"No dude, I fell."

"What if you were pushed?"



This is going to be one of those bickering back and forth threads.

It happened.

Terrible day in the USA, but there's nothing we can do about it now.

Let it be.

[SoSideways]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

i don't believe any of the damn conspiracy theory's out there, its like there is one for everything that happens.

That's what happens when a bunch of hippies high off their minds on acid get together and "talk politics" or "talk current events".

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

He could tell from grainy as hell CNN footages?

In a blurry view you could still recognize size.

But seriously, I know it's popular and everything to call people lame for questioning the attacks but there ARE tons of questions surrounding the attacks. I just find some of this interesting. Not only that but if a single thing is true about any of the questions surrounding 9/11, not only is it not crazy, it's patriotic.

[exitspeed]

Wait wait...I know...

Today is 11/6 OMG if you flip that upside down it's 9/11! OMG OMFG!

WOW!

[SoSideways]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

wait wait...i know...

Today is 11/6 omg if you flip that upside down is 9/11! omg omfg!

wow!

conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!

[CrimsonRockett]

Ban Mel!

He's one of them!!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

"Dude, yesterday, I fell off the stairs."

"Oh, really? Maybe you were pushed?"

"No dude, I fell."

"What if you were pushed?"



This is going to be one of those bickering back and forth threads.

And wasn't Hemmingway crazy for thinking his house was bugged? Or how about the magic Roger Rabbit bullet that went through John F. Kennedy's head?

It happened.

Terrible day in the USA, but there's nothing we can do about it now.

Let it be.

sure there is

lol.

But in the 60's no one believed that Leary was a CIA agent either. How wrong we were.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

sure there is

lol.

But in the 60's no one believed that Leary was a CIA agent either. How wrong we were.

thats a little smaller scale than blowing up the largest buildings in nyc, do you really think that if it was true every person involved could keep a secret? hell they couldn't even keep bill clintons affair under wraps.

[mRclARK1]

As someone who spent a lot of time at an airport growing up... Airlines etc. are always changing things... Including which planes they use, at times even using planes they don't regularly use anymore to fit needs and scheduling. Ok, so sure, that plane may not be a plane still used in AA fleet at the time of 9/11, but they were used at one time, and you yourself said that the plane for 175 was supposedly grounded that day. Could the airline perhaps have used an older AA plane still in the fleet to take its place? Happens quite often. Most airlines keep a certain amount of older aircraft that they no longer routinely use for various purposes.

Again, that's only IF it is in fact the "wrong" plane. All we have is your story of "A guy I know who works for AA says it's wrong"

Ok, well then a guy I know who works for this little government department called the FAA says that's the correct plane that it was always believed to be. How do you know I'm telling the truth or not? You don't... My point is just that so far you haven't proved anything at all.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

Ban Mel!

He's one of them!!

Just because I stumbled upon the answer your gonna go ban me...CONSPIRACY!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

As someone who spent a lot of time at an airport growing up... Airlines etc. are always changing things... Including which planes they use, at times even using planes they don't regularly use anymore to fit needs and scheduling. Ok, so sure, that plane may not be a plane still used in AA fleet at the time of 9/11, but they were used at one time, and you yourself said that the plane for 175 was supposedly grounded that day. Could the airline perhaps have used an older AA plane still in the fleet to take its place? Happens quite often. Most airlines keep a certain amount of older aircraft that they no longer routinely use for various purposes.

Again, that's only IF it is in fact the "wrong" plane. All we have is your story of "A guy I know who works for AA says it's wrong"

Ok, well then a guy I know who works for this little government department called the FAA says that's the correct plane that it was always believed to be. How do you know I'm telling the truth or not? You don't... My point is just that so far you haven't proved anything at all.

the only thing I've proven is that I'm a fucking lunatic, in case you havn't already known that. But there really isn't much to prove except a plane hit the WTC. What kind of pane is it is the question.

[SoSideways]

I love turtles.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

I love turtles.

Turtle Sunday's! Oh yea.

[smellslikecurry]

i was actually in my moms office building maybe 6 blocks away when this all happened
i only managed to get one picture before running for all holy hell

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it was fucking drftgirl i knew that pyscho was coming for me

[HalveBlue]

This shit's gay.

9/11 happened and it wasn't because of a government conspiracy.

Most these "riddles" regarding what happened that day have been answered. The link Barry provided is a perfect example.

Now, I do believe there are certain pieces of information that the government hasn't released to the public, primarily due to national security reasons.

But that's completely different from arguing that the U.S. government actually orchestrated the events that happened on September 11th.

By the way, man never landed on the moon.