Zenki HID Questions

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Well Mike, only reason i did it was to get better lighting output. I figured, why bother with a kouki front end? If I did the front end conversion, light output still sucks without modifying the kouki headlights (better projectors and OEM hid setups). Mo money mo money mo money that the mil doesnt exactly just throw at me. I'd rather spend that money on other shit than on a chassis thats gonna end up in an okinawa junkyard in 2 more years.

PFC, 850cc and Turbo > Kouki front end.

we all spend money where we feel its necessary.

if your car is going to end up in a junkyard, thats all on you bro. i dont build up cars so they can end up in the trash bin - i build them up because i plan on keeping and enjoying them for the years to come.

if you're buying an ecu/turbo/injectors for a car that will end up in the gutter - you're quite possibly one of the least business savy people i've ever come across.

not that cars are investments by any means, but i personally wouldnt put 1 penny toward anything if i had the expectation of it being in the dumpster tomorrow.

its just like tires, you find people who think cheap tires are acceptable and then spend money on better brakes. what_the_fuck is the point? good tires is the best insurance you can put on any automobile: handling, braking, acceleration is all effected by your tires.

same applies to lighting. people will gladly spend $200 on cheap charlie-chan made clear lenses that eliminate any form of beam pattern your car SHOULD have, and then another hundred or two on yet again, a charlie-chan made HID kit which is not even designed to conform with any type of beam pattern. what do you get? $400 dollars + wasted time for a car that emits a blob of pretty purplish blue light. NICE. now they're safety and other peoples safety is at risk.

lets assume that most 240SX owners live at home, dont work.. and if they do, they work for minimum wage and daydream all day about how dope they want to make their rustbucket "one day." as broke as a person can be, theres no excuse for not researching and not saving and planning to do things THE RIGHT WAY.

ps: not criticizing you, at least your setup works and makes you happy. i dont think it looks right on the car, but thats just my opinion.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

we all spend money where we feel its necessary.

if your car is going to end up in a junkyard, thats all on you bro. i dont build up cars so they can end up in the trash bin - i build them up because i plan on keeping and enjoying them for the years to come.

if you're buying an ecu/turbo/injectors for a car that will end up in the gutter - you're quite possibly one of the least business savy people i've ever come across.

not that cars are investments by any means, but i personally wouldnt put 1 penny toward anything if i had the expectation of it being in the dumpster tomorrow.

its just like tires, you find people who think cheap tires are acceptable and then spend money on better brakes. what_the_fuck is the point? good tires is the best insurance you can put on any automobile: handling, braking, acceleration is all effected by your tires.

same applies to lighting. people will gladly spend $200 on cheap charlie-chan made clear lenses that eliminate any form of beam pattern your car SHOULD have, and then another hundred or two on yet again, a charlie-chan made HID kit which is not even designed to conform with any type of beam pattern. what do you get? $400 dollars + wasted time for a car that emits a blob of pretty purplish blue light. NICE. now they're safety and other peoples safety is at risk.

lets assume that most 240SX owners live at home, dont work.. and if they do, they work for minimum wage and daydream all day about how dope they want to make their rustbucket "one day." as broke as a person can be, theres no excuse for not researching and not saving and planning to do things THE RIGHT WAY.

ps: not criticizing you, at least your setup works and makes you happy. i dont think it looks right on the car, but thats just my opinion.

I forgot you havent been around to know my situation...I got stationed in Okinawa, Japan. I'm not planning on dropping $12k to ship a rusting 15 yr old S14 chassis back to the states. If I cant mail it back thru military shipping/USPS, its a risk that I wont be able to bring it back with me if I go back to the states. Engine and stuff, for the most part, I can break them down and mail them back in boxes. Thats why I said the chassis will end up in the junkyard, but not after I take what I can off it. The horrible Target Bodykit can go with it cuz I utterly fucking hate that too.

Anyways, I agree with what you pretty much said with lighting. Hell, thats the reason why I decided to go OEM TSX. It may not be the prettiest thing in the world since its a retrofit into the stock halogen housing but it works the way its intended. No fucked up cut offs, no charlie-chan made debased ghetto bulbs. All OEM TSX housing, ballast and bulbs. I learned that shit from you.

[Sileighty_85]

hey fliprayzin if you got questions or want any tips on mailin your engine and stuff back let me know, I did it when I was there.

[Yellow4g63]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Fuck you bitches...I like my TSX retrofit!!! Well just cuz its cheaper than piecing together a kouki front end. I hate stock zenki headlights with a fucking passion...

That looks good how much cutting did you have to do?

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

I forgot you havent been around to know my situation...I got stationed in Okinawa, Japan.

it works, for now. i see that and can respect that. especially since the lights are functional.. just not aesthetic.

good luck on finding a non-butt-raped chassis when you come back to the states.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by SlideWell

my shit does not look like ass. what does tend to look like ass is certain projectors in zenki's. like a few pictured. i havent even driven my car yet, its still being built. dont get me wrong, il retrofit as soon as i can if im getting flashed a bunch. i love projectors and would like a smaller (tsx) projector in mine. i shouldnt have to say, high kelvin HID's from luxury cars are only approved because they come from the manufacturer, duh. seriously, i wanna hear someone tell me they ARENT blinded by their HIDS. i see plenty of pro-am drifters rock 13k kits and still drive on the streets, so what does that say. i dunno. but good to know i piss people off here, i like pissin people off sometimes

The color in high end cars is what's called a color cut or color mod. There is a hair thin cut in the cut off baffle. About 1cm down from the cut off. This throws color onto the lenses and what you see.

The bulbs are still 4300K and the light on the ground is still white.


Lighting on drift cars is for show not night driving.

[xtreme_s14]

this i can appreciate.. it flows well and looks A LOT better than just throwing on projectors and painting the reflector black for the low beams. this person actually took the time to make the corner lights black and the divider between the high and low beams as well.. if anything, i'd throw some "eyelid" covers to accent the visage and what do you know? you've got HIDs on zenki headlights that look damn decent! well done! no arguments please!

[Mangudai]

Why doesn't anyone use bmw projectors

[LA_phantom_240]

Because they're typically on the lower end scale of intensity and cutoff sharpness.

Originally Posted by Mangudai

Why doesn't anyone use bmw projectors

they do.

its just that the lighting fanboys are all about "color mods" and modifying their shields for "razor sharp cutoff" which btw, is all a bunch of bullshit.

leave the fucking projectors alone and swap the ones that fit best with the least amount of modification. unfortunately, many of the hobbyists (and i will continue to call them hobbyists as they are not professionals) think that they know what they are doing when they dont have access to photometric tools to test light output and intensity changes.

its like trying to tune your car without a dyno - leave it to the pros, they have the tools, resources and knowledge.

[k's_silvia2.0]

^Holy shit.......he lives.

[LA_phantom_240]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

they do.

its just that the lighting fanboys are all about "color mods" and modifying their shields for "razor sharp cutoff" which btw, is all a bunch of bullshit.

leave the fucking projectors alone and swap the ones that fit best with the least amount of modification. unfortunately, many of the hobbyists (and i will continue to call them hobbyists as they are not professionals) think that they know what they are doing when they dont have access to photometric tools to test light output and intensity changes.

its like trying to tune your car without a dyno - leave it to the pros, they have the tools, resources and knowledge.

What's wrong with tweaking the projectors for what YOU want out of them? Its no different to me than modifying your car with wheels, aero, etc. Why not just leave the fucking car stock? Oh wait, cause that's boring.

And who would be a 'professional'? And why do you have this mentality like you're the fucking king or something? To me, you're just an arrogant jackass. Why not contribute to the thread, instead of downing other people?

[Yellow4g63]

Ok now tell him how you really feel.

Originally Posted by LA_phantom_240

What's wrong with tweaking the projectors for what YOU want out of them? Its no different to me than modifying your car with wheels, aero, etc. Why not just leave the fucking car stock? Oh wait, cause that's boring.

And who would be a 'professional'? And why do you have this mentality like you're the fucking king or something? To me, you're just an arrogant jackass. Why not contribute to the thread, instead of downing other people?

from a hobbyist-standpoint - there's no problem at all. once you start accepting money for something you're doing, you arent a hobbyist anymore - you're a business. When you accept money for something, you are exchanging dollars for expertise. Once you understand the concept of LIABILITY, thats when you start researching to make sure that what you're doing wont negatively effect and/or endanger other people.

Lets look at some facts here. The very same sponsors who generate ad revenue for the forums we visit, are the same vendors who are illegally selling rebased HID kits that are not legal for sale in most countries. Its not illegal because its "cool," the kits are illegal because they are flawed products. I never sold these kits back then and I still dont sell these kits now. You think I dont want to make money? I love making money. I just dont make money jeopardizing the welfare of my customers.

The same applies to HID retrofits, color modding, etc. Its bad enough that projector retrofitting is technically illegal, thats not the problem. The problem is that people think they know what they're doing when they dont have the equipment or the expertise.

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btw, if you're 20 years old now and i've been doing this for over 10 years, then that means i've been doing this since you were at most, 10 years of age. go play some more nintendo before you open your mouth about something you dont know about.

[OBEEWON]

Everyone talking about blinding on coming traffic is an idiot and your mothers should be ashamed by your sheer stupidity. Curse the day you were born and the cervix you dropped from. Your fathers should be stricken sterile and rewarded with jock itch for all the days of thier lives. May your curse be visited upon your children, and your children's children, and thier dogs and cats, even unto the 3rd and fourth generations respectively.



Installing projectors doesn't point your beam pattern up. Kouki projectors suck baby bottle. Most Zenki retrofits look like digested bean curd.

Dumb dummy...

[KOUKIboy]

Yo check this out, this dude did a bad ass job with some Bimmer projectors. Installed Projectors on S14 Zenki.......Pics inside...... - Automotive Forums .com Car Chat

[fliprayzin240sx]

Figured I'd bump this just to show the light output. Only reason I went with TSX projectors are because from what Ive seen, they require the least amount of cutting on the internal housing on the Zenki headlights. For the money, TSX OEM hids are probably the best bang for the buck. I contemplated on running S2K HIDs but that shits alot more cutting for the projector itself, not just for the housing.





Glare was a lil high on the left, its been adjusted alot lower.

[!Zar!]

Have any pics against a flat surface?

[Yellow4g63]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Figured I'd bump this just to show the light output. Only reason I went with TSX projectors are because from what Ive seen, they require the least amount of cutting on the internal housing on the Zenki headlights. For the money, TSX OEM hids are probably the best bang for the buck. I contemplated on running S2K HIDs but that shits alot more cutting for the projector itself, not just for the housing.





Glare was a lil high on the left, its been adjusted alot lower.

Whats that triple gauge cluster on the dash?

[LA_phantom_240]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

from a hobbyist-standpoint - there's no problem at all. once you start accepting money for something you're doing, you arent a hobbyist anymore - you're a business. When you accept money for something, you are exchanging dollars for expertise. Once you understand the concept of LIABILITY, thats when you start researching to make sure that what you're doing wont negatively effect and/or endanger other people.

Lets look at some facts here. The very same sponsors who generate ad revenue for the forums we visit, are the same vendors who are illegally selling rebased HID kits that are not legal for sale in most countries. Its not illegal because its "cool," the kits are illegal because they are flawed products. I never sold these kits back then and I still dont sell these kits now. You think I dont want to make money? I love making money. I just dont make money jeopardizing the welfare of my customers.

The same applies to HID retrofits, color modding, etc. Its bad enough that projector retrofitting is technically illegal, thats not the problem. The problem is that people think they know what they're doing when they dont have the equipment or the expertise.

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btw, if you're 20 years old now and i've been doing this for over 10 years, then that means i've been doing this since you were at most, 10 years of age. go play some more nintendo before you open your mouth about something you dont know about.

I agree that people who have no idea what they're doing, and endangering others in the process should be punished. Doing it correctly, however, is another story. I dunno about other people, but when I - say - build myself an LED dome light or third brake light or something, I don't just slap it on and call it a day. I do my research on what kind of current those LEDs need, what their forward voltage is, etc. then I build the board and test it. I test the hell out of it. I spend more money making sure they stand up to abuse before I even get close to my car with them. I know that others don't do the same, and so I can't imagine what the hell they're thinking or why they think the way they do. I personally wouldn't sell something I think is unsafe or anything I wouldn't put on my own vehicles.

But here's where you piss me off. Sure you have experience, that's fine and dandy... but that doesn't mean I know nothing. I've spent countless hours messing with components, reading about their designs and how they function, and their uses. I've read just about everything I can get my hands on up to this point, and am fairly confident that with some patience, I can create lighting systems up there with the big dogs. Maybe not for the same cost because I'm sure you get discounts on LEDs and such, buying in volume and what not. But the fact remains that anyone with some patience, the ability to read and comprehend, and the ability to take what he has learned and use it in a practical way instead of just theory... can do just what you do.

For some of us, having superior lighting is important. For others, they like the looks of their illegal HID kits, because they look cool to their friends. Then there are those who want something better than stock, without having to take out a second mortgage.

Are the TSX projectors better than stock? Yes. Are they affordable? Yes. Are there better options? With some more extensive headlight modification, there sure are.

There isn't one right way to do things. Right has become a subjective term. The only real "right" way to do 240 lighting is to leave it stock, because overwattage bulbs are for offroad use, HID in our cars is illegal, and I think the only thing we can really get (zenki guys at least) is the German glass headlights.

[Bahdra]

convert your 14 to a 13 get some triple and get down like its 1985

[LA_phantom_240]

Originally Posted by Bahdra

convert your 14 to a 13 get some triple and get down like its 1985

No, because A) Halogen projectors suck, due to the fact that the beam is so narrow in order to focus the little bit of light halogen bulbs produce where you need it most and B) They're old as fuck and the technology just isn't there... not to mention they're RHD projectors. So in a nutshell, if you go triple you gotta put in proper projectors anyway.