What does it take to get 18k or more for a swap 240sx!!!

[Full-Lock]

i just sold my s14 for 45,000

-If you selling a car for 18k for above should you try to include as much things as possible?

yes

-Should a 95-96 converted kouki be worth more than a 97-98 original kouki?

not worth more, but it should add value

-Does having a newer motor help?

not in my case, my rb26 was a 1990 motor, almost 20 yrs old

-Does having a bigger motor help? (i.e RB26, 1JZ, 2JZ, LS1,2,3,6,7)

yes

-Does having an older motor like SR20, RB20 hurt or help you and why?

no, like i said, my motor was almost 20 years old. condition was excellent, but it was still old

-Does swap difficulty increase the value?

yes. this is why the buyer was willing to pay. even after owning his own shop, the new buyer said he has never seen a swap or wiring job like my car had

-Does suspension, and aero play a big factor?

to a certain point.
imo
if you have someone paying big money it is probably not for an aero kit.
peaople that pay big usually are looking for power and reliablility. how a car looks is definatly a huge factor, along with quality of aero kit, but what brand aero you go with isnt all that huge of a deal, as long as its tasteful, authentic, and quality and a perfect fit is there.
susp. is important, coilovers obviously looks better on a for sale ad than cut springs.

just a tip
when selling your car dont listen to other people saying youll never get what your asking
i had people telling me i wouldnt get 25,000, not because of build quality, but because people in the market for these usually dont have money.
finding a buyer is extemely hard, but they are out there.

[Brian]

Full Lock is the absolute KING.

posi rep

[RUTH'LESSDET]

Originally Posted by Full-Lock

i just sold my s14 for 45,000

-If you selling a car for 18k for above should you try to include as much things as possible?

yes

-Should a 95-96 converted kouki be worth more than a 97-98 original kouki?

not worth more, but it should add value

-Does having a newer motor help?

not in my case, my rb26 was a 1990 motor, almost 20 yrs old

-Does having a bigger motor help? (i.e RB26, 1JZ, 2JZ, LS1,2,3,6,7)

yes

-Does having an older motor like SR20, RB20 hurt or help you and why?

no, like i said, my motor was almost 20 years old. condition was excellent, but it was still old

-Does swap difficulty increase the value?

yes. this is why the buyer was willing to pay. even after owning his own shop, the new buyer said he has never seen a swap or wiring job like my car had

-Does suspension, and aero play a big factor?

to a certain point.
imo
if you have someone paying big money it is probably not for an aero kit.
peaople that pay big usually are looking for power and reliablility. how a car looks is definatly a huge factor, along with quality of aero kit, but what brand aero you go with isnt all that huge of a deal, as long as its tasteful, authentic, and quality and a perfect fit is there.
susp. is important, coilovers obviously looks better on a for sale ad than cut springs.

just a tip
when selling your car dont listen to other people saying youll never get what your asking
i had people telling me i wouldnt get 25,000, not because of build quality, but because people in the market for these usually dont have money.
finding a buyer is extemely hard, but they are out there.

OMG Full lock your the man... your car as you know was absolutely sick!!! With your post you kinda threw a money wrench I mean monkey wrench into the thread!!! 45k holy shit you really opened my eyes about the possible potential of our beloved 240sx with the right mix. IC an Rb26 old or new can hook a big fish!!!! Hats off you to you my friend i would love to know what was your original asking price for the car? Did you honestly believe you would have gotten that much? im just curious

[devonkyle77]

45k for an s chassis? i demand pics.
who is the asshat that paid that? for 45k id buy a used 911, not a fucking 240sx. and i love 240's lol

[MadScientist]

Originally Posted by Full-Lock

i just sold my S14 for $45,000.

^^^^^^
Full-Lock

I was waiting for you to see this!!

I didn't do this the first post so.....

1.) -If you selling a car for 18k for above should you try to include as much things as possible?
Definately... the little parts do count and shows attention to detail which in turn shows quality.
2.)-Should a 95-96 converted kouki be worth more than a 97-98 original kouki?
NO... Kouki are harder to find, however I do argee that a 94 Vert would be more Rare, but less demand when you get the same car from 91-93. If you went off this theory the S15 Stawberry Face would be done to hell and back.... oh wait, it is!!
3.)-Does having a newer motor help?
YES... I hate seeing S13 SR20s in S14s... S13s with S14/S15-SR gets more respect... this gets me... Ex. the S15 engine is the most pointless marked up buy... your going to re-place all those parts that make it the S15 (injectors,turbo, ....thats it... trany? be real, just buy it) Save money and buy the S14 SR... the Black Top S13 is a $500 mark-up and you may actually get a 96+... but who knows... it could be a 91-95
4.)-Does having a bigger motor help? (i.e RB26, 1JZ, 2JZ, LS1,2,3,6,7).
That really depends on the quality of the swap... M.I.C...K.E.Y.... M.O.U.S.E.... says it all!! IMO... I dont like the 1JZ swap on the S-chassis, 2JZ swap is cool but cost is retarded... LS can be done very nice... RB swap is shaddy when its a 20 and even some 25s... if your going RB... Go 26
5.)-Does swap difficulty increase the value?
Yes... but this still goes under Quality... I have done SR20s in AE86s... RB26 in JZA80... SR20 in FD3S... all sort of Honda swaps.... It is all about Quality... now if you did something that decreases HP or way left feild... like a CA18 in a S14, or a NA SR20 in almost anything FR.... I did say almost!!
6.)-Does suspension, and aero play a big factor?
The outside of your car is what everyone sees... If it looks like shit... you bet, I am thinking its going to run like shit and have all sorts of issues. Suspension... see first post!

I have a Evo 9 MR also... there is only 600 of the MRs... most of you dont know that all cars that compete in a GT race must have a production # greater then 500.... the # higher then 500 declairs the Rarety.... however Supercars get to bend the rules.... Maseratti MC12 anyone?

-Drew

[spencer240sx]

Just add a little i know the sick13 car and if i had the money i would buy it in a heart beat love that car seen it as it was built love it...

[INeedNewTires]

Very interesting thread....

IMO a car is only worth what someone will pay for it. So without the right buyer, the car isint worth anything. This has to do with your advertizing, effort, and most of all timing. If you were to sell a 'done-up' 240 in 2003-04 then obviously the car would have brought more cash, economy was better, drift craze was insane, the market was churning.

~Now~ that same car is worth probably around 20% less. Its funny i've flipped a few 240's and finally found the one i'm going to keep forever.

1st. S13 hatch 5sp SE. bone stock, rebuilt engine, bought for 1k, owned it for 9mos, blew the motor, sold it for $1800 with a sparco seat installed and a blown motor. this was in 2004-drift tax was in my favor.

2nd. S13 coupe 5sp base. bought it from the origional owner (who was an old guy, didnt know shit) for $750. Literally didnt do A THING to it, didnt transfer title or even put gas in it, sold it 3wks later for $2500. At the time i wish i hadn't but now i'm glad i did, and thats one hell of an investment. This was in 2005. Drift tax helps me again.

3rd. now its 2007, i've been saving for my dream 240 for 2yrs now, finally find the one. It must be kouki, 5sp, no moonroof, and with a swap already. Found just that and more. My goal with this car was to buy someones failed investment, so i could save money, and build the car tastefully but in my way, however I dont have all the tools or the means to do a motor swap and i saved alot of money by going this route.

The car was a stock body, stock suspension origional Kouki but had an S14 SR with a 2871 and a motor built and tuned by a reputable race shop with less than 500 miles on it. The seller had it in 'hock' at the shop, and his wife was threatening that "if you put another dollar into that damn car i'm divorcing your ass" he listed it on craigslist, and 18hrs later it was mine. Now i had a perfect baseline to start with. I get to choose all the suspension, interior, and bodywork, but dont have to mess with the motor for a little while, and best of all it was reliable and fresh. This car i will never sell....ever.


On another note, my older brother bought brand new one of the last USDM Kouki's in existance. He bought it at the end of 98, it had 7 miles on it. It currently sits in his garage, immaculate, with 57k on the clock, its a black/black 5sp SE non-abs with absolutely NOTHING done to it. He has the origionaly brochure, manuals, spare, wheel locks, dash mat, window sticker, EVERYTHING. He's been offered 15k for it, he will probably never sell it, or maybe not until he gets a stupid offer for it, like 30k or something retarted. But what do you guys think something like that is worth?

[aznpoopy]

5spd 98 is super rare as it is. unmodded and pristine is ridiculous. i don't think anyone could really guess what the market price for that thing would be. 15k doesn't seem overpriced to me at all. if the 240 reaches collector status it could easily be worth more. it could easily be worth more to the right buyer. but if the 240 hype goes away, it might be going for kbb. who knows.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

I will start:
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/229628...ed-700whp.html
IMO!!!! this car is worth more than 20k because:
sick ass motor swap, claimed horsepower, swap difficulty, clean swap, clean interior (full), rims.....this one is self explanatory in all the car was taste fully done!

wow....i can say that this car is worth 18k. Simply amazing.

would I buy it? hellz nah

IMO...

I think because we own these cars and know what it takes to make them "nice" in our eyes...we can't justify dropping $xx,xxx all at once on something that is not 100% tailored to our wants and needs.

In that price range I rather get something that is more practical. Actually I did just that and picked up a M35x.

Originally Posted by shinhed

Nope, sorry.
The paint's gotta be immaculate with new oem shit, spotless glass, trim, interior...

I'd pay 18k if it looked like this...

That car is not worth 18K...yet it does look like a collector item (once it has proper turn signals ).

I much rather have the G37 next to it (white one).

Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

LOL I know but...why would a 1993 rx7 with same swap be worth that an more??
example 1

Sorry but I would take the FD over your car (or any S14 really). The style, chassis and interior is down right fiyah and I hope this one comes with the blonde lol

[flip3d]

If you want 18k and you put 18k+ in it, part it out.

Part
It
Out

[forum04pl]

IMO

I agree with Full-Lock, I feel if the work is done properly and the car shows it after modification the value increases. I'm a firm believer that an S chassis can be worth 18K+.... I've had first hand experience with it

[aNskY]

Originally Posted by INeedNewTires

On another note, my older brother bought brand new one of the last USDM Kouki's in existance. He bought it at the end of 98, it had 7 miles on it. It currently sits in his garage, immaculate, with 57k on the clock, its a black/black 5sp SE non-abs with absolutely NOTHING done to it. He has the origionaly brochure, manuals, spare, wheel locks, dash mat, window sticker, EVERYTHING. He's been offered 15k for it, he will probably never sell it, or maybe not until he gets a stupid offer for it, like 30k or something retarted. But what do you guys think something like that is worth?

seeing as no one buys these cars to keep stock, low miles, in the garage, i think you would have a hard time getting more than 10k for it, unless you found a real enthusiast / collector. im even willing to bet that if he had accepted the 15k offer, the guy woulda flaked.

[RUTH'LESSDET]

This thread is getting pretty interesting with all the different views

Originally Posted by INeedNewTires

I've been saving for my dream 240 for 2yrs now, finally find the one. It must be kouki, 5sp, no moonroof, and with a swap already. Found just that and more. My goal with this car was to buy someones failed investment, so i could save money, and build the car tastefully but in my way, however I dont have all the tools or the means to do a motor swap and i saved alot of money by going this route.

On another note, my older brother bought brand new one of the last USDM Kouki's in existance. He bought it at the end of 98, it had 7 miles on it. It currently sits in his garage, immaculate, with 57k on the clock, its a black/black 5sp SE non-abs with absolutely NOTHING done to it. He has the origionaly brochure, manuals, spare, wheel locks, dash mat, window sticker, EVERYTHING. He's been offered 15k for it, he will probably never sell it, or maybe not until he gets a stupid offer for it, like 30k or something retarted. But what do you guys think something like that is worth?

Your brother is a luck bastard he should hold on to that car and not do something stupid like drift it. You never know what someone will pay for it as we all know now.

IMO there is nothing wrong with what you did. Alot of people are not mechanics/fabricators (myself included) and can't build or dont have the time to build there cars from the ground up like some people that do this type of thing for a living. "It aint tricking if you got it."
In my case my first 240sx (back in late 2001) was an 1991 s13 sil80 with all the fixing but i paid to have my swap done. I traded the car in 2004 (after 3 sr's, a $500 paint job no rims and countless $$ wasted) for a turbocharged 1993 b13 sentra and $2000. I sold the car to a friend in CT who then sold the car with a rusted out firewall for $8000 (drift tax!!) I got rid of my sentra for $2300 and bought my mint 1997 240sx in 05 for $5800 with 84,000 miles on it. After i bought the 240sx i remembered all the drama i had with my s13 and said i would never touch my S14. 3 years later i was hit with the v8 bug...seven and a half plus for an engine & about 16k later, in misc shit. I would never take less than 18 grand for my hard work and effort put into this car (which was one of the FIRST ls2 s14 swaps done in the US!)

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Sorry but I would take the FD over your car (or any S14 really). The style, chassis and interior is down right fiyah and I hope this one comes with the blonde lol

The funny thing about this is your right because the rx7 is secretly my dream car(and still is) but just never gotten around to getting one due to the price. and since im not a mechanic ive always feared having to pay for work on rotary motors. So thats how i ended up buying a 240sx

[RUTH'LESSDET]

Originally Posted by forum04pl

IMO

I agree with Full-Lock, I feel if the work is done properly and the car shows it after modification the value increases. I'm a firm believer that an S chassis can be worth 18K+.... I've had first hand experience with it

I totally agree now!!!

[shinhed]

Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

The funny thing about this is your right because the rx7 is secretly my dream car(and still is) but just never gotten around to getting one due to the price. and since im not a mechanic ive always feared having to pay for work on rotary motors. So thats how i ended up buying a 240sx

That's me too. I even bought the 99+ jdm bumper and lights in preparation of owning one, then I chickened out because of high maintenance and because I have so much s-chassis shit.

Where are the pics your $18K+ s14? I'm ready to tear it apart

[RUTH'LESSDET]

Originally Posted by shinhed

Where are the pics your $18K+ s14? I'm ready to tear it apart

.....I gotta make a mod list up and prepare for my

[RUTH'LESSDET]

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[sidewayzsx]

you have done a great job and excellent build but i say its worth around 10-12k? .... looks great and am sure that is no where near what you have put into it

[RUTH'LESSDET]

Originally Posted by sidewayzsx

you have done a great job and excellent build but i say its worth around 10-12k? .... looks great and am sure that is no where near what you have put into it

lol lol lol your bugging, you couldn't even get a 00 ls1 swapped car for that...remember this is a 2 year old motor not a 20 year old rb26 motor. Everybody may not be familiar with the prices for the parts but its not cheeap!!. There are only a handful of people in the US right now with a 6.0l LS2 in a 240sx due to the prices of these motors. Currently on the v8 forum me, lethal, a guy in england, and a guy with a s13 have ls2 swaps that i can remember. Everybody goes with cheaper 5.7l motors. If you paid a place like hinson to do a turn key swap there base building cost is $8,583.25 not including the price of the engine and transmission. thats just the parts not including the price of the car either. Somebody with some knowledge please post!!!! I think this kid bumped his damn head LOLOLOLOLOL