4G63 in An S13??

[A Spec Products]

Someone sent me a PM:

Originally Posted by ********

would you like me to link you to say, 5 badass CA's that would make lunch meat of SR20's?

and not blow rocker arms off in the process.....ever : )

buuh-byye

****

Just to clarify

I wasn't knocking the CA, RB, LS, 4G, or any motor for that matter

I'm not saying the SR is supreme motor

I'm just saying that for

- practicality
- ease of install
- in stock availability of parts
- knowledge base

For some of those reasons its the most logical swap...TO ME

Keyword: me

My opinion, I'm not saying that anyone who feels otherwise is wrong or needs to prove to me why their motor is better

[tre4s13]

Meh, screw him...nice website, pm me price for that FLT-A2

[A Spec Products]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

Meh, screw him...nice website, pm me price for that FLT-A2

Nah its not like that

I dont think he was trying to be malicious, I took it as sarcasm

Haha we sold the FLT-A2's for S13 man, only S14 left

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

Mitsubishi Starion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dodge Colt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mitsubishi Galant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Galant was FWD/4WD by the time it got the 4G63, so it'd be a transverse layout...The Colt never got the 4G63, at least not according to that wiki...

But I didn't know that about the Conquest. I thought they only ever had the 2.6L turbo 4.

[tre4s13]

Originally Posted by SHIFT_*grind*

The Galant was FWD/4WD by the time it got the 4G63, so it'd be a transverse layout...The Colt never got the 4G63, at least not according to that wiki...

But I didn't know that about the Conquest. I thought they only ever had the 2.6L turbo 4.

yea i noticed that...was skimming
looking at the links off of Mitsubishi Sirius engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and just copy/pasting whatever had FR setup...some had the 4g63 in their first gen years.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by EDT007

We have some funny people on this forum. As a fellow DSM head for over 10 years, people should really look into stuff before talking sh*t. The 4G63T (6-bolt|) is by far one of the most stout, 4-cyl engines ever made. PERIOD. As for issues, any motor will have it's little quarks. The electrical system is not one as previously stated. Stock coils pushing over 700whp, I wouldn't call that shitty. In fact the only real issue these cars have (if done right) are drivetrain. Too much power and you would start sheering off gears/rings/shafts in the tranny. To the OP, goodluck!

SR's are capable of 700 WHP on stock Coil Packs also - IF YOUR EMS, WIRING HARNESS GROUNDS AND PLUGS are to spec - just as with the 4G.

I would be interested to see this too, I just think the lengths people will go to try to be unique and different with the 240SX platform lately is getting kind of rediculous. A properly built SR will be equal with an 4G build up for about the same price - My point is there seems to be more experienced 4G tuners than SR tuners - Most of the SR tuners are just trying to cash in on the current trend in drifting imo.

[tre4s13]

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

[Damnthecops]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

Thats exactly my point... trust me, i have been debating just tossing in a SR but i wanna be different, hell look what my little post started... in 3 days it has made 3 pages worth of talk... imagine, if i do a very clean exterior and interior along with a clean swap.. im just looking to be different... plus i love my 4g63 and i know it very well

[tre4s13]

Originally Posted by Damnthecops

Thats exactly my point... trust me, i have been debating just tossing in a SR but i wanna be different, hell look what my little post started... in 3 days it has made 3 pages worth of talk... imagine, if i do a very clean exterior and interior along with a clean swap.. im just looking to be different... plus i love my 4g63 and i know it very well

I feel the same way, hell, seeing this reminds me of the love I had for my 4g63. I was thinking about going SR, but no...that's played out like Lil Kim's taint. And the next runner up would be the JZ platform, which is the trend lately...I already see LSx next....So, i'm thinking either 7mg(t)e or vg30e(t)....or just put a 20B in it. Whichever has the WTF factor to it, i'll probably do. So I say again, go for it. I might even join your fad >_<

[s13dan]

well sounds odd, but i would like to see it. Some would call it sacrilege and i would never do it. But i love seeing different things like that with 240s.
Do it right, no seven bolts.

[civilized_drifter]

my good friend all ready has a 4g in his old s13, he is currently working on it for a drag car

[tre4s13]

Originally Posted by civilized_drifter

my good friend all ready has a 4g in his old s13, he is currently working on it for a drag car

Ask him to make a write up?!

[tre4s13]

Searching around for a 4g63 I ran into this...

EVO 4g63 now able to be used in RWD's. - evolutionm.net

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

I don't even know what that means?

Too common is SR20 Motors that run like complete ass, I only know of a handful of SRs on the web that anyone with real knowledge could even specify as running properly (mostly off of Freshally Advanced Forum Section members if you want to learn a thing or two about the motor's capabilities)

You can't even compare the SR motor to anything other than maybe the RB26, 2JZ and MAYBE if you stretch the 4G63.

It is one of the most well engineered 4 cylinder turbo motors, the head design lifted straight from engines designed by Alpha Romeo and used to develop formula race cars.

The only thing too common is people who are obsessed (from the sidelines) with drifting and JDM in general imo

PS. On the Bell Housing - what transmission do you use with the motor and that plate? I think that is for Power Glide and Full Drag set-ups...

[stupendousdanny]

I believe noris designs green evo is rwd with a skyline transmission? its the 2door evo
http://www.norrisdesigns.com/demo9-phase2.asp

[Flicktitty]

lol,

there sure is alot of hate on here over the 4G63.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

homo? nah...i just got done boinking this white chick sun-mon....nor was I being a "tough" guy, I just hate when people thread jack with their "omfg dont do that cause I cant" speeches... heh.

Bullshit, homie, there are no white women in Forsyth county.

[Spoolpigeon]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

Most of the vehicles that it came in is FF with part time 4x4 from what i've read.

Some earlier models with the 4g63 had a FR setup:

Mitsubishi Starion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you can't always trust wikipedia. the starions/conquests all had the 2.4l g54b engine. they have never had a 4g.

[Spoolpigeon]

correction.... no US cars had it, some australian cars had it.

[alzahakar]

Originally Posted by civilized_drifter

my good friend all ready has a 4g in his old s13, he is currently working on it for a drag car

I believe the saying is, "pics or it never happened"

I believe noris designs green evo is rwd with a skyline transmission? its the 2door evo
Norris Designs Nissan, Mitsubishi and Subaru Tuners - +44 1225 700748

Just because it looks like an evo and may have some of the chassis still left doesn't make that car an evo. The 4g63 only ever came from the factory in ANY chassis in a FWD/AWD configuration, never RWD. For those of you that don't know the real difference, RWD has something called a transmission tunnel. Evos don't. That Norris Designs evo is a purpose built race car with more money in development and fabrication than most of you will ever spend on a S-chassis in your life.

Can a 4g63 be mounted in a S-chassis? Yea, sure. With enough money, you can put whatever motor/trans combo you want in any vehicle.

Why does it have to be bad to put anything other than a Nissan engine in a S-chassis? People argue the 2jz vs RB all the time. Fact is they are both very potent straight 6 motors that are capable of lots of power. When it comes down to it, you either turbocharge your KA24 or drop it in a lake and swap in anything else to make some decent power.

I'll keep my eyes out for someone doing a writeup on this. Like a few of the other guys said, I love the 4g63 and I love Nissans.

[A Spec Products]

Originally Posted by tre4s13

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

I don't get how being "common" can be bad

So....is a 240sx played out?

Cause everyone on here got one

LOL

Nah but I'm obviously exaggerating, but that whole "oh its common/oh it's played out" logic really doesn't make sense

Cause back in the day, a bunch of people had FN01RC's, then people started saying "FN's are played"

But if a bunch of people had 300zx, then are 300zx brakes played out too?

And then if you really analyze it....just cause a set of people on a forum across a nation own an item...how does that make it played?

Originally Posted by Flicktitty

lol,

there sure is alot of hate on here over the 4G63.

I don't think the hate lies on the 4G63, but just the idea that it's going to be a lot of work, when there are more easily attainable and installed options instead of it

I just come from the school of logic and practicality

No sense in doing something the difficult way unless there's a specific reason why it needs to be done that way

It's like someone making a 6 bolt hub cause they don't want to be 4 or 5 lug like the rest of us

Sure, 4,5, or 6 lug wheels roll the same and work the same, but you want to be different, right?

[EDT007]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

SR's are capable of 700 WHP on stock Coil Packs also - IF YOUR EMS, WIRING HARNESS GROUNDS AND PLUGS are to spec - just as with the 4G.

I would be interested to see this too, I just think the lengths people will go to try to be unique and different with the 240SX platform lately is getting kind of rediculous. A properly built SR will be equal with an 4G build up for about the same price - My point is there seems to be more experienced 4G tuners than SR tuners - Most of the SR tuners are just trying to cash in on the current trend in drifting imo.

I agree that both can be built to similar levels. I just find it stupid that people that have no idea about the motor are trying to "convince" the OP from not doing it. If he wants to do it, his choice. As for tuning, I agree, there are alot more 4G tuners around my area than SR. Speaking of, I think you should come over to the east coast Steve..make a killing

[Flicktitty]

i see where your coming from on the anti unique thing, but then agian i'm someone who is doing a 2J in a S-chassis.

[zugoi]

There was a post on here couple months back with a green s13 with a bmw v12 in it. I remember it having an ugly body kit and it was a show car but still, its been done. Now if i can only find the pictures.

[BustedS13]

not a bad way to spend ten thousand dollars

[murda-c]

Originally Posted by zugoi

There was a post on here couple months back with a green s13 with a bmw v12 in it. I remember it having an ugly body kit and it was a show car but still, its been done. Now if i can only find the pictures.

Did you even read the thread?

EDIT: i just realized how stupid i look for asking that.

[Pblesh85]

Originally Posted by Damnthecops

Thats exactly my point... trust me, i have been debating just tossing in a SR but i wanna be different, hell look what my little post started... in 3 days it has made 3 pages worth of talk... imagine, if i do a very clean exterior and interior along with a clean swap.. im just looking to be different... plus i love my 4g63 and i know it very well

I like the idea of being different and doing something cool/worth while to a car. After all we just want something fun to drive that is of our own creation.

Personally the only motors that I would put in an s chasis would be s13/14/15 sr, ka24de/det, or an lsx swap. Im batting around with the idea of an ls2 swap after deployment seeing as how money is not going to be an issue.

The down side to putting another genre of motor into a nissan is it takes away from the intended feel of the car and the essence of what its legacy is. Im sure someone is smart enough to put a 600hp "D" series into a camero. But is it still a camero after that ??? Do you even care what it becomes afterwards ???

In the end the deciding factor for me as far as what motor I will use will be:

HP goal(400~450whp/TQ), 6 speed, drivability, reliability, efficiency, availibility, fun factor, and cost.

So If it is cheaper to put a lsx, sr, or ka-t in and get to my goals... Well that is what decides it for me.




But people have been taking evo motors and putting them in starions/conquest's for years as rwd drag cars. Im sure if its been thought of it can be done.

But to put a mistu into a nissan is a bit of bold move. Kinda like the post on here were someone put a 13b into an s14.

[s13 @ fullboost]

back to the v12 bmw motor in the s13 I think maybe if it had the 6speed trans it would have been alot better but props to them for doing it how many people do you know who drive an s-chassis can say "naw man its not ka or sr its a V12" haha and I bet you that car on the freeway is a freaking monster. the guy messed up though he should have put a CSI and not just the basic v12 w/e though still bad ass

[S13 curtis]

Originally Posted by schmauster

A 4g63 would be awesome in an S chassis, they have the 2nd highest flowing head... second to the k20.. third is the KA24DE... Anyone who says this motor is homo hasnt looked at the size of the ports on the 1G head... not to mention destroking is easy and 10,000 rpm would be fun... Problem is the mighty max tranny is glass and fwd you would have no traction.... i would do it Rear engine rear wheel drive style in the back with a fwd tranny

WOW... About that.

SR20 Head easily out flows the KA24de head.

and another thing, alot of people have SR's that are slow as fuck and run like ass, because they only want to slide.
Most people that go Ka-T do it for performance/Drag.

[s13 @ fullboost]

Originally Posted by S13 curtis

WOW... About that.

SR20 Head easily out flows the KA24de head.

and another thing, alot of people have SR's that are slow as fuck and run like ass, because they only want to slide.
Most people that go Ka-T do it for performance/Drag.

I agree not so much about most people have shitty SR's but about the fact that the SR head indeed does flow better than the KA's and also most people w/ SR use it for drift and majorty of people who have KA-T do performance/Drag