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aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 11:02 AM

i don't understand how any of you think swapping the vin is still a good idea.

swapping the plate is just as illegal as having a mismatched vin and carries a harsh penalty.

yeah it's doubtful the police would pick up on it, but the legitimate proper procedure is so stupid easy.

call CHP and get the vin inspector.
show them new dash + receipt.
they stamp your car with a new vin
install new dash with the mismatched vin

done, and you just saved yourself from the risk of a fucking felony conviction, huge fine, and imprisonment.

Row · 03-20-2009, 11:03 AM

Put your old vin on the newish dashboard you picked up and trash the other vin.

when I picked up my dash from the junk yard , at the checkout they made me take the vin plate off.

aoiken3 · 03-20-2009, 11:23 AM

i'm gonna change out the vin when change my dash out. as long as you keep it to yourself, there isnt anything to worry about

Otto347 · 03-20-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

i don't understand how any of you think swapping the vin is still a good idea.

swapping the plate is just as illegal as having a mismatched vin and carries a harsh penalty.

yeah it's doubtful the police would pick up on it, but the legitimate proper procedure is so stupid easy.

Thats what I was thinking. And all though the penaltys are 5 years and fines, when you go to court and explain to the judge that you swapped a dashboard and the car is legit then you should be fine.

Trutrax · 03-20-2009, 11:44 AM

well I'm fucked then because mine is just ripped up and pasted on the dash. Unless Canada has different laws on it

ericcastro · 03-20-2009, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

i don't understand how any of you think swapping the vin is still a good idea.

call CHP and get the vin inspector.
show them new dash + receipt.
they stamp your car with a new vin
install new dash with the mismatched vin
.

Its tough here in SoCal.

Last time I went to get a fix it ticket signed off for not having my front plate hard mounted.
It turned into a 25 minute search and inspection of my whole car.
They made me sit on the curb and not talk.
Popped the hood, tried to give me a modified engine ticket for a zip tie that was helping hold the fan shroud in place and a loose air intake box.
the I was told that me and people like me are street racers and responsable for all kinds of innocent deaths in the united states.

They didnt want to hear how I help host events at a track everymonth for over 2 years and try and get people off the streets and into a safe environment.

you see why we avoid the fucking CHP at all cost.

mRclARK1 · 03-20-2009, 11:47 AM

It's illegal if you do not change it. You just need to go through the proper procedures to do it. Your car needs to have its VIN # in all places displayed from the factory. It's also a good idea to have the dash swapped over by a shop so you have proof that's all that was changed... It's worth the extra few bucks for the security I would say.

VanduzerLancerES · 03-20-2009, 11:56 AM

Just leave the old dash on there, Its not that bad.
hah

Otto347 · 03-20-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

Its tough here in SoCal.

Last time I went to get a fix it ticket signed off for not having my front plate hard mounted.
It turned into a 25 minute search and inspection of my whole car.
They made me sit on the curb and not talk.
Popped the hood, tried to give me a modified engine ticket for a zip tie that was helping hold the fan shroud in place and a loose air intake box.
the I was told that me and people like me are street racers and responsable for all kinds of innocent deaths in the united states.

They didnt want to hear how I help host events at a track everymonth for over 2 years and try and get people off the streets and into a safe environment.

you see why we avoid the fucking CHP at all cost.

Sweet jeezus, fuck that. Florida cops are nothing like that.

IIIXziuR · 03-20-2009, 12:07 PM

Just don't get pulled over or do anything that would require a law official to look at your dash VIN. Risky Business

Gnnr · 03-20-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto347

Sweet jeezus, fuck that. Florida cops are nothing like that.

That's not true. I know a shop owner who got his S14 Kouki SR impounded after he swapped the dash because the VIN matched a salvage titled car so they thought it was stolen.

NeedCAforS13 · 03-20-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto347

Sweet jeezus, fuck that. Florida cops are nothing like that.

so far in my experiences florida cops don't care. i've never had one of them even look at the vin # on my dash.

that being said, i "may have" swapped the vin from my old green dash when I converted my interior to black. i don't see how anyone would ever be able to tell the difference... it's riveted just like the factory ones. no big deal.

Otto347 · 03-20-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedCAforS13

so far in my experiences florida cops don't care. i've never had one of them even look at the vin # on my dash.

Me either. Oh well gunna rock a new dash when I get it, we'll see what happens.

driftsilvias13 · 03-20-2009, 12:37 PM

I purchased my current s13 with a replaced dash and no VIN plate. Any ideas on how this would be resolved?

iheartmysil80 · 03-20-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceguy

its funny how u guys emphasize the importance of legit shit, but yet u guys have sr20 and rb25 engines that where design to fail smog..hahaha

thanks for your time

samesiez! that's about true.

aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Its tough here in SoCal.

Last time I went to get a fix it ticket signed off for not having my front plate hard mounted.
It turned into a 25 minute search and inspection of my whole car.
They made me sit on the curb and not talk.
Popped the hood, tried to give me a modified engine ticket for a zip tie that was helping hold the fan shroud in place and a loose air intake box.
the I was told that me and people like me are street racers and responsable for all kinds of innocent deaths in the united states.

They didnt want to hear how I help host events at a track everymonth for over 2 years and try and get people off the streets and into a safe environment.

you see why we avoid the fucking CHP at all cost.

wow. that does sound really fucked up.

racepar1 · 03-20-2009, 01:14 PM

Tampering with the vin number is a crime. You are not legally allowed to change the vin plates for ANY reason. The proper thing to do is to go to the CHP and get and "assigned vin". Basically they just put another sticker on the door and everything is AOK. I've gotta go get that done on my car.

IIIXziuR · 03-20-2009, 01:16 PM

Darn So Cal law enforcement is really hard on modified car owners/enthusiasts which is kind of nuts since that is like the best area in the US when it comes to anything car related.

Gnnr · 03-20-2009, 01:21 PM

I just got off the phone with the Florida DMV. It is legal in Florida to change the VIN plate in the dash because all other VIN #'s are on the Vehicle and match the one you are placing, and its not being concealed. There are no laws that say you can not change it, only when its done with the intent to conceal.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 01:32 PM

that's interesting.
319.33(1)(d) seems to say otherwise.

"to possess, sell or offer for sale, conceal or dispose . . . a motor vehicle . . . on which any . . . vehicile identification number . . . has been destroyed, removed, covered, altered or defaced . . . with knowledge of such . . ."

the language of the statute does not require an intent to conceal.
simply possessing the vehicle on which you know a VIN has been tampered with is enough.

Gnnr · 03-20-2009, 01:37 PM

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

FL 319.30 5(c)

Quote:

(c) This chapter does not apply to anyone who removes, possesses, or replaces a manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate, in the course of performing repairs on a vehicle, that require such removal or replacement. If the repair requires replacement of a vehicle part that contains the manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate, the manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate that is assigned to the vehicle being repaired will be installed on the replacement part. The manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate that was removed from this replacement part will be installed on the part that was removed from the vehicle being repaired.

Changing a damaged dashboard is a repair.

Otto347 · 03-20-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnnr

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

FL 319.30 5(c)

Changing a damaged dashboard is a repair.

Hells yeah!

aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 01:47 PM

florida obviously rocks. all other states, take notice.

otto, consider trying to dig up that old vin plate if you happened to toss it in a box or something. the statute still requires you to swap it over.

NeedCAforS13 · 03-20-2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

FL 319.30 5(c)

Changing a damaged dashboard is a repair.

I knew it had to be something like that.

Contrary to popular belief, these laws weren't written to fuck you over. If you have a legitimate reason for changing it, it doesn't make sense to punish you for it.

ericcastro · 03-20-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

wow. that does sound really fucked up.

yeah, just makes it harder to play by the book when they treat you like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

florida obviously rocks. all other states, take notice.

Florida is like Austraila with cars, lol. Iv'e seen those ebay florida cars:ghey:
Although I loved Disneyworld,

aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedCAforS13

I knew it had to be something like that.

Contrary to popular belief, these laws weren't written to fuck you over. If you have a legitimate reason for changing it, it doesn't make sense to punish you for it.

no, the laws weren't designed to fuck you over.

but in my studies and career, i've come across many instances where the legislature simply did not think of all the situations where the law would apply, and thereby 'catch' innocent people with a law that's over-broad.

as such, we don't have any such repair exception in new jersey. not because the legislature is evil, but probably because they forgot people might replace worn parts with vin numbers on them. and so our local got reamed up the ass. good thing his attorney pulled him out of the fire.

Otto347 · 03-20-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

otto, consider trying to dig up that old vin plate if you happened to toss it in a box or something. the statute still requires you to swap it over.

Well only problem is that it went in a dumpster a month ago.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedCAforS13

If you have a legitimate reason for changing it, it doesn't make sense to punish you for it.

Bingo, tell the judge if you get an asshole cop that takes it that far and youre good.

aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto347

Bingo, tell the judge if you get an asshole cop that takes it that far and youre good.

that's exactly what happened with our guy. after two court dates, impound and attorney (and all related fees). the law is obviously meant to catch people who are committing some kind of fraud. still sucks though; i really hope none of you ever have to go through it.

hapa_s13 · 03-20-2009, 02:00 PM

So in Cali, what should you do? I dont wanna call CHP and just be like "Oh, I bought a car and noticed that it was missing a VIN on the dash, can I get a replacement one" cus I dont want it to seem as though the car was stolen.

Is there a proper way to ask?

aznpoopy · 03-20-2009, 02:10 PM

on the up and up; dig up the old broken dash, put it back on. dig up a receipt for new dash. call in.

on the down low; swap the VIN plate and kill anyone who knows you did.

03-20-2009, 11:23 AM	#33
aoiken3 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Norcal Baby! Posts: 696 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	i'm gonna change out the vin when change my dash out. as long as you keep it to yourself, there isnt anything to worry about __________________ おれのシルビア大好きだよ！！！

03-20-2009, 11:47 AM	#37
mRclARK1 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Location? Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's illegal if you do not change it. You just need to go through the proper procedures to do it. Your car needs to have its VIN # in all places displayed from the factory. It's also a good idea to have the dash swapped over by a shop so you have proof that's all that was changed... It's worth the extra few bucks for the security I would say. __________________

03-20-2009, 12:07 PM	#40
IIIXziuR Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Left Hand Path Posts: 2,655 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Just don't get pulled over or do anything that would require a law official to look at your dash VIN. Risky Business __________________ ... ... ... ... .

03-20-2009, 12:37 PM	#44
driftsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,297 Trader Rating: (54) Feedback Score: 54 reviews	I purchased my current s13 with a replaced dash and no VIN plate. Any ideas on how this would be resolved? __________________

03-20-2009, 01:16 PM	#48
IIIXziuR Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Left Hand Path Posts: 2,655 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Darn So Cal law enforcement is really hard on modified car owners/enthusiasts which is kind of nuts since that is like the best area in the US when it comes to anything car related. __________________ ... ... ... ... .

03-20-2009, 11:02 AM	#31
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i don't understand how any of you think swapping the vin is still a good idea. swapping the plate is just as illegal as having a mismatched vin and carries a harsh penalty. yeah it's doubtful the police would pick up on it, but the legitimate proper procedure is so stupid easy. call CHP and get the vin inspector. show them new dash + receipt. they stamp your car with a new vin install new dash with the mismatched vin done, and you just saved yourself from the risk of a fucking felony conviction, huge fine, and imprisonment.

03-20-2009, 11:03 AM	#32
Row BANNED Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Monterey Park Age: 36 Posts: 274 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Put your old vin on the newish dashboard you picked up and trash the other vin. when I picked up my dash from the junk yard , at the checkout they made me take the vin plate off.

03-20-2009, 11:44 AM	#35
Trutrax Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 223 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well I'm fucked then because mine is just ripped up and pasted on the dash. Unless Canada has different laws on it

03-20-2009, 11:56 AM	#38
VanduzerLancerES Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oxnard, California Age: 35 Posts: 232 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just leave the old dash on there, Its not that bad. hah

03-20-2009, 01:14 PM	#47
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 42 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	Tampering with the vin number is a crime. You are not legally allowed to change the vin plates for ANY reason. The proper thing to do is to go to the CHP and get and "assigned vin". Basically they just put another sticker on the door and everything is AOK. I've gotta go get that done on my car.

03-20-2009, 01:21 PM	#49
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I just got off the phone with the Florida DMV. It is legal in Florida to change the VIN plate in the dash because all other VIN #'s are on the Vehicle and match the one you are placing, and its not being concealed. There are no laws that say you can not change it, only when its done with the intent to conceal. Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine __________________

03-20-2009, 01:32 PM	#50
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	that's interesting. 319.33(1)(d) seems to say otherwise. "to possess, sell or offer for sale, conceal or dispose . . . a motor vehicle . . . on which any . . . vehicile identification number . . . has been destroyed, removed, covered, altered or defaced . . . with knowledge of such . . ." the language of the statute does not require an intent to conceal. simply possessing the vehicle on which you know a VIN has been tampered with is enough.

03-20-2009, 01:47 PM	#53
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	florida obviously rocks. all other states, take notice. otto, consider trying to dig up that old vin plate if you happened to toss it in a box or something. the statute still requires you to swap it over.

03-20-2009, 02:00 PM	#59
hapa_s13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area, CA Age: 34 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So in Cali, what should you do? I dont wanna call CHP and just be like "Oh, I bought a car and noticed that it was missing a VIN on the dash, can I get a replacement one" cus I dont want it to seem as though the car was stolen. Is there a proper way to ask?

03-20-2009, 02:10 PM	#60
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	on the up and up; dig up the old broken dash, put it back on. dig up a receipt for new dash. call in. on the down low; swap the VIN plate and kill anyone who knows you did.