S13 4->5 lug conv. Worth it?? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

SR240SXT · 06-28-2003, 01:50 PM

Hey guys, im getting an s13 soon, and im wondering if its even nessasary or worth it to do the 4->5 lug conversion. My goals for the s13 is basically to make it my little race car, for autocross, drift, and such. It will be pushed hard basically.

I know the wheels im getting, and they are offered in the 4x100 size. I know i will be getting coilovers of some sort (tein prob, i duno what much this has to do with the conv. though, lol) and i dont know about the brakes yet. I guess thats the only thing that leads me to this conversion. Are their any brakes available for the 4-lug? Anyone mod there suspension/handeling/braking and ketp the 4 lug?

What are your guys thoughts on this? Shoud i just go ahead and count on having to do this? I need to be sure before i order the wheels and stuff obviously.

Also, what other advantages am i going to get by doing this? Disadvantages to keeping the 4 lug?

Thanks!

Jim96SC2 · 06-28-2003, 01:56 PM

I don't think 4x100 will work. I'm fairly sure it's 4x114.3.

Ohh and SEARCH!

You'll find out that the 5-lug is for a better wheel selection and not having to redrill out rotors on a 300ZX brake swap.

SR240SXT · 06-28-2003, 02:06 PM

Ok, im an idiot. I mean 4X114.3...

welp..looks like the wheel selection does suck now.

So i have to do the 4-5 lug conversion.

BUT! I still need to know about the breaks...or..does the 5 lug swap mean i have to do the break conversion too.

Can i get aftermarket disc's with the 300zx's capilers??

By the way, i AM searching...i have searched a million times, with a million windows open.

U know what, nevermind, i dont even know what my specific questions are yet.

*sykikchimp* · 06-28-2003, 04:29 PM

it's Brakes, not breaks..

anyways.. you can do everything without swapping to 5-lug. there are plenty of online retailers that sell 4-lug 300zx rotors.

Caliper clearance is all about spoke design.

Coilover clearance is wheel offset, and does have a little to do with the 5-lug swap b/c you get a much better selection of wheels with the proper offsets.

**mrmephistopheles** · 06-28-2003, 06:11 PM

Nope. Not at all!

SR240SXT · 06-28-2003, 06:42 PM

Thx, i knew i was spelling it wrong, just got a mind block i guess.

Well, i jsut realized i have to do the 5-lug conv. anyway. Because once in drifting im going to be using a bunch of old wheels and tires i have from past cars, mr2..rx7.. ect. They are all five lug. And are good for being burned up in the rear.

And the wheels i want are in 5 lug (black racing pro n1's, bronze)

The question now is only concerning the brakes. I suppose the 240 ones will have to do.

Looks like i will be in need of more research... oh why oh why couldnt the s13 come with 5-lug like a normal car...

nrcooled · 06-28-2003, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by mrmephistopheles
Nope. Not at all!

mvaters · 06-28-2003, 10:37 PM

wait till you get the car to start thinking of this sort of thing. and to make the answer simple, yes, its worth it to switch if you want a good wheels. nice looking, low offset are uncommon in a 4 bolt

Dousan_PG · 06-28-2003, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by mvaters
nice looking, low offset are uncommon in a 4 bolt

HAHAHAHAHA
then you have HORRIBLE taste or know absoluting NOTHING about 4 lug wheels!

hahahahahaha..sad soooo sad.

mvaters · 06-29-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by dousan36
HAHAHAHAHA
then you have HORRIBLE taste or know absoluting NOTHING about 4 lug wheels!

hahahahahaha..sad soooo sad.

well, i dont live in socal. at least around here you cant find much in a wide 4 lug rim, maybe a 6 inch pizza cutter with a +50 offset. but in 5 bolt there is alot to choose from

Dousan_PG · 06-29-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by mvaters
well, i dont live in socal. at least around here you cant find much in a wide 4 lug rim, maybe a 6 inch pizza cutter with a +50 offset. but in 5 bolt there is alot to choose from

doesnt matter if you live in so cali or not
there ARE great wheels IN low offsets
location is NOT an issue. money is. if u cant afford to ship or locate some, then dont be upset because its uncommon for YOU. 4 lugs that are just sick and low and deep and wide...are READILY available. depends if you got the $$$ to spend!

dont say that 4 lug wheels are slim options, because thats just ignorance.

s13rookie · 06-29-2003, 02:20 AM

personally, i think the 4 to 5 lug mod is probably one of the worst mods you can do UNLESS you have a specific reason to do so. so many other things to take care of first

1121S13 · 06-29-2003, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by mvaters
well, i dont live in socal. at least around here you cant find much in a wide 4 lug rim, maybe a 6 inch pizza cutter with a +50 offset. but in 5 bolt there is alot to choose from

location matters?
internet.

s13rookie · 06-29-2003, 03:14 AM

location DOES matter. for example if i wanted some advan rims, chances are they are on the west coast, but not on the east coast

look at all the places raping(sorry, i mean selling) people for sr20's, almost all are from the west coast

other wise youre going to pay out your bum for shipping

1121S13 · 06-29-2003, 03:20 AM

like posted, If you have money .. shipping is out of the question..
for local pic and save wheels.. location matters.

SR240SXT · 06-29-2003, 09:58 AM

Ok, well i already know what wheels i want. And im set on that. (black racing pro n1's, bronze/ black car= own)

AND like i said, i have about a million wheels sitting around that are 5 lug and will make good rear wheels for burning up due to drift practice.

Dousan_PG · 06-29-2003, 10:41 AM

no you dummies!!!!
you people are mixing this up..
he said:

Quote:

nice looking, low offset are uncommon in a 4 bolt

wheels are NOT uncommon
uncommon for his LOCAL

nice looking are there
shipping? there are companies on east coast that sell SSRs, wats, etc

im telling him there are SOO MANY good looking 4 lug

i dont give a fuck where he lives.
its about the fact that there are good looking 4 lug wheels

that's the point

yeah location matters. duh.

4 lug wheels DO look good
4 lug wheels DO come in great offsets
4 lug wheels are VERY common

simple as that.

but there are SOOOOOO MANY good looking 4 lug

tough luck if you cant get them. that's the advantage of so cali. i can go pick up a set of ssr for 800 bucks. i can go get a set of wats for under 1k

if you cant. ahhh too bad.

i hate damn whiners.

mvaters · 06-29-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
doesnt matter if you live in so cali or not
there ARE great wheels IN low offsets
location is NOT an issue. money is. if u cant afford to ship or locate some, then dont be upset because its uncommon for YOU. 4 lugs that are just sick and low and deep and wide...are READILY available. depends if you got the $$$ to spend!

dont say that 4 lug wheels are slim options, because thats just ignorance.

money is no issue for me, but id rather just go to a tire shop and say i want this and they get it for me. but i go there and ask for something with a low offset in a 4 bolt and they look at me like im talking chinese or something. there is more selection in a 5 bolt, thats for sure. ok, so maybe there is 4 bolt wheels out there with low offsets, but i couldn't find anything at any shops i ever went to. and they told me that this sort of stuff was rare. you dont need to be harsh about it

Dousan_PG · 06-29-2003, 12:26 PM

im not harsh, im straight-forward
i dont b.s. around here

ill find that east coast SSR/misc japan wheel link. prices werent too shabby for NEW wheels.

edit:
http://www.oldschoolwheels.com/

http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37070

Quote:

i got a set of 15x7 +1 offset SSR reverse mesh in black brand new in box, all 4 wheels for $1100 plus shipping if your interested

now, if you (or anyone) complains about that price, then your obviously a cheap POS bastard who should be driving a Civic DX with konigs.

mvaters · 06-29-2003, 12:29 PM

1121S13 · 06-29-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by SR240SXT
Ok, well i already know what wheels i want. And im set on that. (black racing pro n1's, bronze/ black car= own)

AND like i said, i have about a million wheels sitting around that are 5 lug and will make good rear wheels for burning up due to drift practice.

5zigen Pro N1's? whats the offset on those in 4lugs?
What do you guys think of Typhoon.. they look sweet.. is it much heavier then N1's?

mvaters · 06-29-2003, 02:34 PM

ya, there is alot of mesh rims out there. not really a fan of mesh rims myself. alright for track use i guess

old_s13 · 06-30-2003, 08:26 AM

I think that PROPER 5-lug upgrade for the 240SX involves quite a lot of parts, but I think that IF its done correctly, its one of the best upgrades you can ever do for the 240SX. To me, the difference between a 4-lug and 5-lug is what makes the 240SX more of a *serious* car. Why? Because:

1) Personally, I think you are limited in terms of rim choice. By rim choice, I mean WIDE rims. Sure, you can get plenty of 15" .. how do we call them nowadays, oh yeah.. "DRIFT RIMS." WHATEVER.. I am not down with these terms, but yeah.. there are plenty of good 15, 16, and even 17" 4-lug wheels.. but they usually arent super-wide. As soon as you step into 5-lug, thats when you broaden your wheel choices. Its only natural, all the bigger cars such as the Z32, FD, and A8 Supra ALL use 5-lug. More lugs = safer, always a nice thing to have.

2) Drilling Z rotors to 4-lug configuration is not ideal, thats just me. After much testing, I feel the Z brake package is not complete unless you do the front, rear, and MC. Using the Z brakes with 15" wheels may not be ideal, especially if you dont have super grippy and/or wide tires. The brakes are powerful and can easily lockup smaller wheels, plus they need a bit of ventillation.. again, larger wheels would be ideal.

Anyway, I know its possible to get performance out of your 4-lug setup.. but why, whats the point.. might as well do things right and go 5-lug, thats just the way I see it.

06-28-2003, 01:50 PM	#1
SR240SXT Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 41 Posts: 255 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S13 4->5 lug conv. Worth it?? Hey guys, im getting an s13 soon, and im wondering if its even nessasary or worth it to do the 4->5 lug conversion. My goals for the s13 is basically to make it my little race car, for autocross, drift, and such. It will be pushed hard basically. I know the wheels im getting, and they are offered in the 4x100 size. I know i will be getting coilovers of some sort (tein prob, i duno what much this has to do with the conv. though, lol) and i dont know about the brakes yet. I guess thats the only thing that leads me to this conversion. Are their any brakes available for the 4-lug? Anyone mod there suspension/handeling/braking and ketp the 4 lug? What are your guys thoughts on this? Shoud i just go ahead and count on having to do this? I need to be sure before i order the wheels and stuff obviously. Also, what other advantages am i going to get by doing this? Disadvantages to keeping the 4 lug? Thanks! __________________ -1997 240SX SE 5spd- -2002 Nissan OEM Gloss White Paint (June 2003) -OEM Nissan Front Lip -Type C Short Shifter -ApexI N1 Single Catback Exhaust -Test Pipe -Spec K Rear Wing -Kumho Supra Ecsta 712 ZR rated tires (205/55/16) -Eibach Pro Kit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Llumar Centaur Premium Tint (28% front/20% back) -Alarm w/Keyless Entry -SOLD-

06-28-2003, 01:56 PM	#2
Jim96SC2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 43 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think 4x100 will work. I'm fairly sure it's 4x114.3. Ohh and SEARCH! You'll find out that the 5-lug is for a better wheel selection and not having to redrill out rotors on a 300ZX brake swap. __________________ Swap DONE: 40K Redtop, Greddy Turbo extension, Greddy DP, Greddy V-SPL FMIC, Greddy Hotpipe, HKS SSQV, Koyo Radiator, Toda Ultralight FW, Spec Stage 2 Clutch, ATS 2-way Diff., Rice-Boy Red Air Filter.

06-28-2003, 02:06 PM	#3
SR240SXT Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 41 Posts: 255 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, im an idiot. I mean 4X114.3... welp..looks like the wheel selection does suck now. So i have to do the 4-5 lug conversion. BUT! I still need to know about the breaks...or..does the 5 lug swap mean i have to do the break conversion too. Can i get aftermarket disc's with the 300zx's capilers?? By the way, i AM searching...i have searched a million times, with a million windows open. U know what, nevermind, i dont even know what my specific questions are yet. __________________ -1997 240SX SE 5spd- -2002 Nissan OEM Gloss White Paint (June 2003) -OEM Nissan Front Lip -Type C Short Shifter -ApexI N1 Single Catback Exhaust -Test Pipe -Spec K Rear Wing -Kumho Supra Ecsta 712 ZR rated tires (205/55/16) -Eibach Pro Kit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Llumar Centaur Premium Tint (28% front/20% back) -Alarm w/Keyless Entry -SOLD-

06-28-2003, 04:29 PM	#4
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it's Brakes, not breaks.. anyways.. you can do everything without swapping to 5-lug. there are plenty of online retailers that sell 4-lug 300zx rotors. Caliper clearance is all about spoke design. Coilover clearance is wheel offset, and does have a little to do with the 5-lug swap b/c you get a much better selection of wheels with the proper offsets. __________________

06-28-2003, 06:42 PM	#6
SR240SXT Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 41 Posts: 255 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thx, i knew i was spelling it wrong, just got a mind block i guess. Well, i jsut realized i have to do the 5-lug conv. anyway. Because once in drifting im going to be using a bunch of old wheels and tires i have from past cars, mr2..rx7.. ect. They are all five lug. And are good for being burned up in the rear. And the wheels i want are in 5 lug (black racing pro n1's, bronze) The question now is only concerning the brakes. I suppose the 240 ones will have to do. Looks like i will be in need of more research... oh why oh why couldnt the s13 come with 5-lug like a normal car... __________________ -1997 240SX SE 5spd- -2002 Nissan OEM Gloss White Paint (June 2003) -OEM Nissan Front Lip -Type C Short Shifter -ApexI N1 Single Catback Exhaust -Test Pipe -Spec K Rear Wing -Kumho Supra Ecsta 712 ZR rated tires (205/55/16) -Eibach Pro Kit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Llumar Centaur Premium Tint (28% front/20% back) -Alarm w/Keyless Entry -SOLD-

06-28-2003, 06:11 PM	#5
mrmephistopheles Magnanimous Justice Distribution Service Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 23 Posts: 14,372 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Nope. Not at all!

06-28-2003, 10:37 PM	#8
mvaters Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: asdadsd Posts: 191 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wait till you get the car to start thinking of this sort of thing. and to make the answer simple, yes, its worth it to switch if you want a good wheels. nice looking, low offset are uncommon in a 4 bolt

06-29-2003, 02:20 AM	#12
s13rookie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: connecticut Age: 44 Posts: 1,129 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	personally, i think the 4 to 5 lug mod is probably one of the worst mods you can do UNLESS you have a specific reason to do so. so many other things to take care of first __________________ Ive spent most of my money on cars and women...the rest i wasted

06-29-2003, 03:14 AM	#14
s13rookie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: connecticut Age: 44 Posts: 1,129 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	location DOES matter. for example if i wanted some advan rims, chances are they are on the west coast, but not on the east coast look at all the places raping(sorry, i mean selling) people for sr20's, almost all are from the west coast other wise youre going to pay out your bum for shipping __________________ Ive spent most of my money on cars and women...the rest i wasted

06-29-2003, 03:20 AM	#15
1121S13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So KALI! Posts: 714 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	like posted, If you have money .. shipping is out of the question.. for local pic and save wheels.. location matters.

06-29-2003, 09:58 AM	#16
SR240SXT Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 41 Posts: 255 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, well i already know what wheels i want. And im set on that. (black racing pro n1's, bronze/ black car= own) AND like i said, i have about a million wheels sitting around that are 5 lug and will make good rear wheels for burning up due to drift practice. __________________ -1997 240SX SE 5spd- -2002 Nissan OEM Gloss White Paint (June 2003) -OEM Nissan Front Lip -Type C Short Shifter -ApexI N1 Single Catback Exhaust -Test Pipe -Spec K Rear Wing -Kumho Supra Ecsta 712 ZR rated tires (205/55/16) -Eibach Pro Kit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Llumar Centaur Premium Tint (28% front/20% back) -Alarm w/Keyless Entry -SOLD-

06-29-2003, 12:29 PM	#20
mvaters Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: asdadsd Posts: 191 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok

06-29-2003, 02:34 PM	#22
mvaters Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: asdadsd Posts: 191 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ya, there is alot of mesh rims out there. not really a fan of mesh rims myself. alright for track use i guess

06-30-2003, 08:26 AM	#23
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think that PROPER 5-lug upgrade for the 240SX involves quite a lot of parts, but I think that IF its done correctly, its one of the best upgrades you can ever do for the 240SX. To me, the difference between a 4-lug and 5-lug is what makes the 240SX more of a serious car. Why? Because: 1) Personally, I think you are limited in terms of rim choice. By rim choice, I mean WIDE rims. Sure, you can get plenty of 15" .. how do we call them nowadays, oh yeah.. "DRIFT RIMS." WHATEVER.. I am not down with these terms, but yeah.. there are plenty of good 15, 16, and even 17" 4-lug wheels.. but they usually arent super-wide. As soon as you step into 5-lug, thats when you broaden your wheel choices. Its only natural, all the bigger cars such as the Z32, FD, and A8 Supra ALL use 5-lug. More lugs = safer, always a nice thing to have. 2) Drilling Z rotors to 4-lug configuration is not ideal, thats just me. After much testing, I feel the Z brake package is not complete unless you do the front, rear, and MC. Using the Z brakes with 15" wheels may not be ideal, especially if you dont have super grippy and/or wide tires. The brakes are powerful and can easily lockup smaller wheels, plus they need a bit of ventillation.. again, larger wheels would be ideal. Anyway, I know its possible to get performance out of your 4-lug setup.. but why, whats the point.. might as well do things right and go 5-lug, thats just the way I see it.