Drift Association's Grip Day 2 - 11/28-29

[Paul2x]

Ditto, Great event.
Bit windy, bit chilly but all in all just a blast seeing all the S-chassie out there!
My F'n alternator died in my last session, had to call the AAA flat bed back to the vine lol

^^ Mr. Bittamen said he'd email me the results when he gets back.

But fill in the blank's

1. Paul2x 1.22.3 SR class
2. Massimo 1.24.4 awd class
3 Nessa 1.34.xx KA class
4. JohnB 1.35.8 awd class
5. Swayray ?.??? KA class
6. Tom ?.??.? Ka class
7. Koukikat ?.??.? SR Class
8.
9.
10.


fill it in =)

[junkyiv]

I'd like to say THANK YOU to everyone who came out and supported this event weather you drove,
cheered, spectated or whatever. Without you all these events wouldn't be a success.
I don't have all of the results for all the different run groups but for now the N/A KA class result are:
1st place. Matt Johnson. 1:30.17
2nd place. John Hartendorp. 1:32.20
3rd place. Tom Flowers. 1:32.81
4th place Vanessa Lam. 1:34.12
5th place. Ray Diaz. 1:34.43

Hopefully we'll be able to post more results within a few days. Again thank you all for being there
and I hope everyone had almost as much fun as I did!!!!

[silsx13]

Originally Posted by autobahNESSA

Wow, this was one of the most fun events I've ever been to!!! I loved every bit of it. I wish the full results would be posted online too...but I don't think that's going to happen

Ditto! I had a great time and tt was such a fun event even though the wind was blowing most of the day, whew.... Was great hanging out and finally meeting ya Vanessa!

Originally Posted by junkyiv

I'd like to say THANK YOU to everyone who came out and supported this event weather you drove,
cheered, spectated or whatever. Without you all these events wouldn't be a success.
I don't have all of the results for all the different run groups but for now the N/A KA class result are:
1st place. Matt Johnson. 1:30.17
2nd place. John Hartendorp. 1:32.20
3rd place. Tom Flowers. 1:32.81
4th place Vanessa Lam. 1:34.12
5th place. Ray Diaz. 1:34.43

Hopefully we'll be able to post more results within a few days. Again thank you all for being there
and I hope everyone had almost as much fun as I did!!!!

KA class was fun! Least no one really got blown out between 1st, 2nd, etc. etc. The top 5 all drove well (myself included, hehe) but I think it was just getting out and running with each other that was the most fun. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Thanks much to driftday for putting on this gripday time attack...look forward to doing it again next year!

Oh, and thanks Tom for bringing the cookies! They were great too!

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Paul2x

Ditto, Great event.
Bit windy, bit chilly but all in all just a blast seeing all the S-chassie out there!
My F'n alternator died in my last session, had to call the AAA flat bed back to the vine lol

^^ Mr. Bittamen said he'd email me the results when he gets back.

But fill in the blank's

1. Paul2x 1.22.3 SR class
2. Massimo 1.24.4 awd class
3 Nessa 1.34.xx KA class
4. JohnB 1.35.8 awd class
5. Swayray ?.??? KA class
6. Tom ?.??.? Ka class
7. Koukikat ?.??.? SR Class
8.
9.
10.


fill it in =)

I forgot to ask how many seconds you won by! LOL! I had heard from my buddy that the track is faster since they re-paved it, would you agree with that? I haven't been to streets in like a year and a half...

Originally Posted by silsx13

KA class was fun! Least no one really got blown out between 1st, 2nd, etc. etc. The top 5 all drove well (myself included, hehe) but I think it was just getting out and running with each other that was the most fun. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Thanks much to driftday for putting on this gripday time attack...look forward to doing it again next year!

Oh, and thanks Tom for bringing the cookies! They were great too!

Well, winning by two seconds is a blowout IMO. In real racing two seconds might as well be a minute... I am so bummed that I missed this event two god damn years in a row. I guess I'll just have to make it up at the redline time attack at buttonwillow next year.

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by Paul2x

Ditto, Great event.
Bit windy, bit chilly but all in all just a blast seeing all the S-chassie out there!
My F'n alternator died in my last session, had to call the AAA flat bed back to the vine lol

^^ Mr. Bittamen said he'd email me the results when he gets back.

But fill in the blank's

1. Paul2x 1.22.3 SR class
2. Massimo 1.24.4 awd class
3 Nessa 1.34.xx KA class
4. JohnB 1.35.8 awd class
5. Swayray ?.??? KA class
6. Tom ?.??.? Ka class
7. Koukikat ?.??.? SR Class
8.
9.
10.


fill it in =)

No freakin' kidding...that blows! Well..I'm glad you see you made it back to the 'vine in one piece

Originally Posted by junkyiv

I don't have all of the results for all the different run groups but for now the N/A KA class result are:
1st place. Matt Johnson. 1:30.17
2nd place. John Hartendorp. 1:32.20
3rd place. Tom Flowers. 1:32.81
4th place Vanessa Lam. 1:34.12
5th place. Ray Diaz. 1:34.43

Can't forget Mike T. who was also running in the N/A KA class too! Although he was having troubles with his car all day

Originally Posted by silsx13

Ditto! I had a great time and tt was such a fun event even though the wind was blowing most of the day, whew.... Was great hanging out and finally meeting ya Vanessa!

It was great meeting you too!

Originally Posted by racepar1

I forgot to ask how many seconds you won by! LOL! I had heard from my buddy that the track is faster since they re-paved it, would you agree with that? I haven't been to streets in like a year and a half...



Well, winning by two seconds is a blowout IMO. In real racing two seconds might as well be a minute... I am so bummed that I missed this event two god damn years in a row. I guess I'll just have to make it up at the redline time attack at buttonwillow next year.

Word! It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile..winning's winning!

[silsx13]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Well, winning by two seconds is a blowout IMO. In real racing two seconds might as well be a minute... I am so bummed that I missed this event two god damn years in a row. I guess I'll just have to make it up at the redline time attack at buttonwillow next year.

Yep 2 seconds is big yes but I guess I meant like 5-10 seconds sorry......

I know that a car that is 2 seconds a lap faster than his competitors in a race would be a big deal because it's stretched out over how many laps, etc. etc. So in that case, 2 seconds would be a blowout and a huge advantage.

Sorry that you couldn't make it out this year racepar1- Try to make it out next year dude! It's a lot of fun!

[silsx13]

Originally Posted by autobahNESSA

No freakin' kidding...that blows! Well..I'm glad you see you made it back to the 'vine in one piece


Can't forget Mike T. who was also running in the N/A KA class too! Although he was having troubles with his car all day


Word! It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile..winning's winning!

Which 240 was Mike T. driving that day? Just curious....

And you had to pull out the F&F "winning's winning" quote, haha....

My personal fav: "Almost had me??? You never had me...you never had your car!" LOL

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by silsx13

My personal fav: "Almost had me??? You never had me...you never had your car!" LOL

"granny shiftin and not double clutchin like you should..."

LOL!

Nobody's diamond plate floor plate fell off right???

Ya, in a 20 lap race 2 seconds a lap is a 40 second gap at the finish. I'm used to thinking in 10ths and 100ths of a second...

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by silsx13

Which 240 was Mike T. driving that day? Just curious....

And you had to pull out the F&F "winning's winning" quote, haha....

My personal fav: "Almost had me??? You never had me...you never had your car!" LOL

Mike T. was driving the white Kouki S14 with the kouki wing.

And yes, I did have to! hahaha

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by Paul2x

1. Paul2x 1.22.3 SR class

When I was behind you, I felt like I was watching in fast forward! Although your driving is a-maz-ing as is to post the 1:22.. I wish that you didn't have to fight through so much traffic so that we could've been even more amazed at your real time. I hope next time you could be in a group that goes more along with your skill!

[Checowa]

Hey guys! I am having a special on photos from this event! Only $20 for all the photos of your car! Just paypal me at [email protected] with your name and what car you drove AND CAR NUMBER! and I will send you a link to download billboard sized digital files of your car!

-Larry Chen

you can check out a preview of most of your cars here:
Drift day - Grip day 2!










you can check out a preview of most of your cars here:
Drift day - Grip day 2!

[mmdb]

Pix from day 1. Courtesy of my photographer friend

Me.



Blue group ready to head out.



Me chasing down a really nice e30 m3.



Tech line in the mo-nin.







Pretty cool corolla with lotsa autographs. Maybe of people who passed it? J/k!



Taka is the man!



Cheeky setting up to blaze down the straight!



Other fast cars









No driftin' here



Really nice pix. Kind of captures the serenity of beasts cooling down after a hard lap near sun down





Nothing but smiles that day...



Cept this guy... he went home on a flat bed

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Checowa

^^^Anyone know what times Kenny ran? That little MR-S has come a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG way in the last year or so...

Oh, and what tires were you guys running???

[Paul2x]

Originally Posted by autobahNESSA

When I was behind you, I felt like I was watching in fast forward! Although your driving is a-maz-ing as is to post the 1:22.. I wish that you didn't have to fight through so much traffic so that we could've been even more amazed at your real time. I hope next time you could be in a group that goes more along with your skill!

LOL, Thanks very much. Yeah I think w/ some more chassie tuning 21's are right around the corner. Congrats on breakin through the 36' barrier, and to the rest of the KA podium. Matt's 1.30.xx, KA record?? Think so.. Freakin Awesome!


My Recap:
With a fresh tune from Koji at Drift Speed, Fresh alighment, and Fresh set of Hankook's I was all set for Sunday's event.

Car Set-up:
I tried a few new things for this event.
First off was fresh tune from Drift speed Netting roughly 60whp+ and 30whp in midrange than before, the car was set on hp, and running better than ever. (Thanks Koji!)
Traction was always an issue since the turbo upgrade just due to power deverly but my friends at Hankook set-me up w/ fresh set of their Z214 (Dot r-comps) in (hard/endurance) compound which are essentially like shaved Nt01 (same compound i was told) would be a good fit for lightweight S-chassie. Size was 245/40/17 square, which was a little different from the 235/255 combo I usually run, but allowed me to run slightly less aggressive camber up front than normal.

On track:
On track the car felt pretty loose at first, but with new power and tires and 60 deg temps it was expected. Turns out the low track temps, and light weight car, and only few hot laps per session werent enough to get the tires up to proper temps. I constantly was air'n down the Hankooks from 33, 31, 30, 29 etc to get more heat in them. Each time adding more grip and stability.
On the power side I also turned boost down from 1.25 bar to .8 bar which dropped about 70-80whp but kept the car much strighter.
In the the end, I figured I needed at least 3-4 hot laps before i got any heat into the tires and from 4laps up times began to drop. Which resulted in a best of 1.22.3xx on my 6th lap, which was good enough for 1st place in SR class and possibly 1st overall. (final results pending )

Next time around, I will try running the tires at 27psi or so to get heat in them sooner or running softer compound

At the end of the day big thanks everyone for their help, couldn't do it with out you!:
Hankook -for the fresh kicks
DriftSpeed Crew - Koji, Quok, Masa for being super cool dudes and S-chassies masters
AE Performance - Hommies! Suspension tuning Guru's and parts galor
Etnies- for the fresh kicks on my feet =)
Dynamic Autosport: Eddie, Mike, Eugene, Thanks for keepin mad parts in stock and being open on SAt!
Drift Photos' - Larry's the man

Pic by the man ^^

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Paul2x

Next time around, I will try running the tires at 27psi or so to get heat in them sooner or running softer compound

Really??? From my experience you want to run more cold pressure on cold days to bring the tires up faster. I've never heard of anyone dropping pressure in order to help the tires come in sooner. Are you sure that you just weren't running higher pressure then the tires were designed to run??? I mean on our hoosier race slicks we ran 13psi/16psi cold almost all the time. I run in the high 20's/low 30's with my "street" tires. I would talk to the hankook boys if I was you because that is exactly opposite of everything that I know about tire pressures.

Congrats on the time, that's some commendable driving and car set-up. I wanna see a time sheet in the teens though... That is honestly my eventual goal at SOW CW.

[silsx13]

Originally Posted by Checowa

^^The "Return of Coneman!" Larry ALWAYS takes awesome shots! He makes me and my car look good, haha.

Originally Posted by racepar1

Oh, and what tires were you guys running???

Was running Dunlop Direzza Star Specs....had to also air down to get heat into them due to the cold temps on track which sucked at first but when the temps came up after 3 laps, it was all good.

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Oh, and what tires were you guys running???

I was running R1R's

[mrj355]

Thanks Paul for the compliment on the "KA Record" time. I honestly don't know what the best KA time at Streets is. I'll have an SR for next year so we'll see what I can do then.

I wanted to also thank Naoki and Grip/Drift Day ppl for putting on the event and everybody who came out. It was good to meet some of you and perhaps I'll check in to Zilvia a little more than my normal once/yr.

I was using ADVAN Neovas (AD07).

Racepar1 ================
Really??? From my experience you want to run more cold pressure on cold days to bring the tires up faster. I've never heard of anyone dropping pressure in order to help the tires come in sooner. Are you sure that you just weren't running higher pressure then the tires were designed to run??? I mean on our hoosier race slicks we ran 13psi/16psi cold almost all the time. I run in the high 20's/low 30's with my "street" tires. I would talk to the hankook boys if I was you because that is exactly opposite of everything that I know about tire pressures.
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This is correct for slicks, my street tire logic below is incorrect for the tires Paul had. My error. To get the most out of those tires, aero and possibly more suspension tuning is necessary to get the right amount of heat in them for use in such short sessions. Also, a softer compound would have been ideal for colder outside temps given the short run times.


Regarding tire pressures (there are a number of variables to consider but here is a simple version).... The sessions weren't very long (20 min at most) and with the race tires Paul was using, it isn't as much about pressure as it is about getting them hot so he was correct in bringing pressures down because that increases contact patch and even (if low enough) sidewall roll over but the benefit is that working the tire harder generates more heat (=grip). Without tire warmers, it is almost beneficial to have gone out with low pressure (not underinflated) to work the tires, come into hot pit, air the tire to your ideal cold pressure +1-2psi and go back out to set times. Higher cold pressure wouldn't have helped the tire generate more heat.

But this is difficult in such short sessions and potential traffic. Regardless, Paul was quick and I think he was able to get some clean laps in because you can't do a 1:22.xx with traffic. More time probably could have been had by finding the happy zone for the tires.

[Paul2x]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Really??? From my experience you want to run more cold pressure on cold days to bring the tires up faster. I've never heard of anyone dropping pressure in order to help the tires come in sooner. Are you sure that you just weren't running higher pressure then the tires were designed to run??? I mean on our hoosier race slicks we ran 13psi/16psi cold almost all the time. I run in the high 20's/low 30's with my "street" tires. I would talk to the hankook boys if I was you because that is exactly opposite of everything that I know about tire pressures.

Congrats on the time, that's some commendable driving and car set-up. I wanna see a time sheet in the teens though... That is honestly my eventual goal at SOW CW.

I did a 1.18.xx in my Shifter kart at Streets...lol

Thats almost verbatium what Hankook told me yesterday. My low psi's of the day were typically on the high side, but thats what chassie tuning is all about. Also going to try and up my spring rates, and add new LSd if possible.
I'll eventually get her dialed in.

Oh and Kenny did a 1.26.2xx, on starspec's

Thanks again =)

[azndummie]

LOL i ran a 1:37.1xx, yep its slow. brakes were fading all over... ill probably try a z32 master cyl next event and different pads. seems like the bias is extremely front. I shouldnt have procrastinated, but oh well. good job to everyone out there!

[autobahNESSA]

Okay..here are some shots from my camera that I took (and some that I obviously didn't )

All photos are available on my photobucket account:
Grip Day 2 Time Attack 11292009 pictures by sheunderground - Photobucket

Enjoy!

[swayray]

Originally Posted by junkyiv

I don't have all of the results for all the different run groups but for now the N/A KA class result are:
1st place. Matt Johnson. 1:30.17
2nd place. John Hartendorp. 1:32.20
3rd place. Tom Flowers. 1:32.81
4th place Vanessa Lam. 1:34.12
5th place. Ray Diaz. 1:34.43

Gosh... I got beat by a girl by 0.31 seconds.... i think its time to get better tires than my direzza street tires (i should try your R1R tires onetime)... or at least gut my interior... or get headers or a one piece drive shaft... can't really do much on a KA on a budget... or maybe i should just stop drifting every corner... ya that should do that next time...

It was still fun playing cat and mouse chase with you Vanessa... of course you were the cat I was the mouse with the pink helmet since I was sliding all over the place.... I really need to learn how not to drift on a grip event...

Awesome event as always... I had loads of fun and i'm pretty satisfied with my 1:34.43 time since I was aiming to beat my old 1:36.50 time I had earlier this summer. (maybe the c-west headlight cover did help give me that extra .5hp)

Awesome pictures as always larry!!! thank you!!!:




Paul2x... you are fast as hell... I actually have a video of you passing all 4 of us 240sx on the straight... of course if you watch the video and blink, you'll miss it... (currently uploading it right now at youtube) I now know what that 2x stands for on your username.

I can't wait for the next streets event...

[let5l1de]

GripDay 2 - Day 2 PhotoSet

Great event!

My oh my Larry, what a big..... LENS you have. Very nice! By no means does my 100 dollar lens contend in Larrys league (maybe skills for that matter?). Regardless, enjoy the set. These are also available large format hi-res. If I have missed your car, please pm me with the number, make, model, color... and I'll post them. Enjoy!

~mario

[silsx13]

Originally Posted by autobahNESSA

Okay..here are some shots from my camera that I took (and some that I obviously didn't )

Great shot Vanessa! I dunno if you or someone else took this but it's nice! Thank you!

Originally Posted by swayray

Gosh... I got beat by a girl by 0.31 seconds.... i think its time to get better tires than my direzza street tires (i should try your R1R tires onetime)... or at least gut my interior... or get headers or a one piece drive shaft... can't really do much on a KA on a budget... or maybe i should just stop drifting every corner... ya that should do that next time...

I really need to learn how not to drift on a grip event...

Awesome event as always... I had loads of fun and i'm pretty satisfied with my 1:34.43 time since I was aiming to beat my old 1:36.50 time I had earlier this summer. (maybe the c-west headlight cover did help give me that extra .5hp)

Paul2x... you are fast as hell... I actually have a video of you passing all 4 of us 240sx on the straight... of course if you watch the video and blink, you'll miss it... (currently uploading it right now at youtube) I now know what that 2x stands for on your username.

I can't wait for the next streets event...

Ray, you lost to a girl????!!!! WHAT?! Eh, its ok...blame the tires and the headers and the etc. etc... hahaha j/k. You still did good out there cuz you went faster than you did last time you ran....just stop drifting that much!

And the "2x" in Paul's username stands for "2 times as fast as (insert name here)....." hehehe =P

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by silsx13

Great shot Vanessa! I dunno if you or someone else took this but it's nice! Thank you!

Haha, I don't think I took that picture since I was probably out with you on track. I'll forward your compliments to Steve from Corner 3 He'll be flattered! If you want a full res photo, let me know!

[swayray]

Originally Posted by silsx13

Ray, you lost to a girl????!!!! WHAT?! Eh, its ok...blame the tires and the headers and the etc. etc... hahaha j/k. You still did good out there cuz you went faster than you did last time you ran....just stop drifting that much!
[/I] hehehe =P

but but... my car just wants to go sideways...


dam... i missed tom's cookies!

[Paul2x]

Originally Posted by silsx13

And the "2x" in Paul's username stands for "2 times as fast as (insert name here)....." hehehe =P

LOL, ^^^


Sweet shot's guys and girls

Like the one w/ Nessa and Mike on the skid pad, Mike rock'n some angle sweet

and the other one with Matt and Kat side by side. Cool shot!

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by swayray

Gosh... I got beat by a girl by 0.31 seconds.... i think its time to get better tires than my direzza street tires (i should try your R1R tires onetime)... or at least gut my interior... or get headers or a one piece drive shaft... can't really do much on a KA on a budget... or maybe i should just stop drifting every corner... ya that should do that next time...

It was still fun playing cat and mouse chase with you Vanessa... of course you were the cat I was the mouse with the pink helmet since I was sliding all over the place.... I really need to learn how not to drift on a grip event...

Awesome event as always... I had loads of fun and i'm pretty satisfied with my 1:34.43 time since I was aiming to beat my old 1:36.50 time I had earlier this summer. (maybe the c-west headlight cover did help give me that extra .5hp)

Hey Ray! I had such a fun time during that session..you really helped push me along and I am so thankful!!

I am yearning for another time attack event!!

[swayray]

Originally Posted by autobahNESSA

Hey Ray! I had such a fun time during that session..you really helped push me along and I am so thankful!!

I am yearning for another time attack event!!

running with you was the highlight of my day... its always fun to run with someone who is pretty much matches your time slip.

Here's the you tube video of my run with you... (Warning... 9:40 minutes long...)

YouTube - Streets of Willow - 1:34.4 minutes Stock KA full interior 240sx S13

[autobahNESSA]

Originally Posted by swayray

running with you was the highlight of my day... its always fun to run with someone who is pretty much matches your time slip.

Here's the you tube video of my run with you... (Warning... 9:40 minutes long...)

YouTube - Streets of Willow - 1:34.4 minutes Stock KA full interior 240sx S13

Ah, sweet! I have a vid too that I'll be posting up soon! The vid is pretty entertaining hahaha