JWT vs Enthalpy ECU comparison dyno results!! *Another* 400 whp CodyAce Built Car

[codyace]

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

I do not know but if it makes you feel better saying I am tuned on the ragged edge all the while burning no oil and using no coolant is fine with me. I think I would have blown it up by now if that was the case.

Whats a tune need to do with burning oil or collant? Didn't realize that Custom tune can effect either. LOL.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

I never said that at all -- cleaner higher octane fuels burn more complete and leave less deposits especially nitrogen rich fuel additives such as Shell V Power.

Dumbass post of the year? Maybe!

An engine will run most efficient at the lowest octane possible. Lower Octane = quicker burn. This is why guys will loose power running race gas on pump tunes. Again, Iv'e dynoed PERSONALLY more cars than you'd probably even driven. I know what works/doesn't work. Keep blabbing about what you think. I'll post what I know.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

Phd Oil Manufacturing engineers --->>> YOU and YOUR band of expert tuners.

A doctorate of Oil manfucturing? I never saw that in a list. Shmuck. You do realize what you ae typing right?

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

that is evident. there is no power difference but I assure you there is a difference in the internal effects and dynamics of your engine over time.

If a fuel burns it burns. It makes no effect. Trust me, that V power commerical looks great and all, but can you proove it?

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

lots of things can led to carbon build up. Would it not make since to run fuels that have been proven to reduce and help carbon deposits left within the engine?

Proven where? ATT gets good coverage, yet VZ works best here.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

Nope other than running Shell V Power 93 in most all my vehicles and the increase in performance and the ability to see how my cars react differently then when I run some MFA 93 or whatever?

Have you dynoed either? Quit trying act like you know what you're talking about. You've successfully trashed my thread with nonsense. Thank you. I actually met a guy the other night that we laughed about your posts. LOL.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

run what you want and I will continue to run what I want. How do you know you have no knock -- knock really can not even be heard unless it is really bad and by then it is too late. I have the ability to see knock counts when I hit higher boost levels, How about you and your ROM tune?

Doens't make a difference what you have, considering our stock sensors pick up timing chain noise as knock. Really does you a lot of good not knowing how to tune either. I guess if I pinged alot I'd be blown up....a few years back.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

correct but once the fuel is sent to the dealers tanks the fuel additives are added to them. They Shell, BP, or whoever add things to the fuel which is their own branded substances such as V-Power or whatever.

WRONG

Fuel comes to the yard. It gets disperssed to the spefiic brand tank. It then goes to the trucks, which goes to your tank. Easy as that. Sorry to break it to ya, I guess your 'source' has lied to you. it's ok though, now you know.

[jspaeth]

Originally Posted by codyace

Fuel comes to the yard. It gets disperssed to the spefiic brand tank. It then goes to the trucks, which goes to your tank. Easy as that. Sorry to break it to ya, I guess your 'source' has lied to you. it's ok though, now you know.

Cody, I am actually curious about this...

I personally, ONLY use shell V-power 93 octane.

Now, they advertise it as having "X" additives and nitrogen-enriched etc etc.

You are telling me that all other 93 octanes from any old station are the same?

You say nothing is added after the distribution point where all stations get there gas from.

This implies that every gas station essentially has the same fuel?


If this is true, you are saying 1 of 2 things.

Either

1) ALL 93-octane at ALL gas stations have the "X" additives and nitrogen-enrichment that Shell Advertises.

or

2) Shell is guilty of false advertisement, and their 93 octane v-power is NOT nitrogen enriched and does NOT contain the additives they claim.



Personally, I can't see how this is possible. I believe you get what you pay for and the Joe Schmo gas station's 93-octane does not contain the same additives as something like V-Power does.


Not trying to fight, but this one didn't make sense to me.....

[HemiCharger]

Originally Posted by jspaeth

Cody, I am actually curious about this...

I personally, ONLY use shell V-power 93 octane.

Now, they advertise it as having "X" additives and nitrogen-enriched etc etc.

You are telling me that all other 93 octanes from any old station are the same?

You say nothing is added after the distribution point where all stations get there gas from.

This implies that every gas station essentially has the same fuel?


If this is true, you are saying 1 of 2 things.

Either

1) ALL 93-octane at ALL gas stations have the "X" additives and nitrogen-enrichment that Shell Advertises.

or

2) Shell is guilty of false advertisement, and their 93 octane v-power is NOT nitrogen enriched and does NOT contain the additives they claim.



Personally, I can't see how this is possible. I believe you get what you pay for and the Joe Schmo gas station's 93-octane does not contain the same additives as something like V-Power does.


Not trying to fight, but this one didn't make sense to me.....

no he is full of shit period. If this was the case we need to ready our class action suit on Monday morning.

[HemiCharger]

Originally Posted by codyace

Whats a tune need to do with burning oil or collant? Didn't realize that Custom tune can effect either. LOL.

Dumbass post of the year? Maybe!

Gosh I could spend alnight dealing with your inaccuracies and misinformation. You did not actually read any of that link I provided from Bob is the Oil guy did you?

Originally Posted by codyace

An engine will run most efficient at the lowest octane possible. Lower Octane = quicker burn. This is why guys will loose power running race gas on pump tunes. Again, Iv'e dynoed PERSONALLY more cars than you'd probably even driven. I know what works/doesn't work. Keep blabbing about what you think. I'll post what I know.

this is from a person who works in the gasoline business
The way that it was explained to me is as follows: Long chain hydrocarbon molecules are more more difficult to break apart. This improves their ability to resist detonation, which improves octane ratings. Short chain hydrocarbons break apart easily, yielding less stability and lower octane ratings. Anyway, I am quite possibly remembering this wrong, but I believe the above to be true.

As for the gasoline that we manufacture at the refinery where I work, octane is controlled at the plant and not the tanker loading rack. There is no magic "foo-foo" juice that is added to gasoline to improve the octane rating of gasoline as it is being loaded into tanker trucks for delivery that I know of. Octane "improvers" are added at the refinery during the gasoline blending process from what I have been told. Perhaps this is where the confusion comes from?

Agreed, you can adulterate a higher grade fuel down to a lower grade, but you can't additize a lower grade motor fuel into a higher grade. The additive packages added at the terminal are enhancements to whatever the base fuel grade may be, and if the additive package is not sufficiently distinctive, markers may also be added that allow the majors to be able to sample a station's tanks to prove their gas is or is not being sold under their brand.

I sell generic unleaded and premium at my stations, but I won't use it in my cars - they get Shell V-Power only.

that is from a freakin chemist in the business.

Originally Posted by codyace

A doctorate of Oil manfucturing? I never saw that in a list. Shmuck. You do realize what you ae typing right?

Ok then chemical, mechanical, and civil engineers and even some published PhD professors in the field. People with more education in this then you have even been on this planet.

Originally Posted by codyace

If a fuel burns it burns. It makes no effect. Trust me, that V power commerical looks great and all, but can you proove it?

there are numerous threads that deal with the value of it. Stop getting your panties in a wad....

Originally Posted by codyace

Have you dynoed either? Quit trying act like you know what you're talking about. You've successfully trashed my thread with nonsense. Thank you. I actually met a guy the other night that we laughed about your posts. LOL.

Yeah I dynoed with V-Power at 311 foot lbs of torque within like 10 of where you were with all your supper dupper tuning.

Originally Posted by codyace

Doens't make a difference what you have, considering our stock sensors pick up timing chain noise as knock. Really does you a lot of good not knowing how to tune either. I guess if I pinged alot I'd be blown up....a few years back.

our knock sensors are sensitive and picked up an oil plate rattle as knock on my car.

Originally Posted by codyace

WRONG

Fuel comes to the yard. It gets disperssed to the spefiic brand tank. It then goes to the trucks, which goes to your tank. Easy as that. Sorry to break it to ya, I guess your 'source' has lied to you. it's ok though, now you know.

this is just wrong read the information from the people who process Shell V Power and then come back to this statement. Please.

[mattsil80wis]

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

Yeah I dynoed with V-Power at 311 foot lbs of torque within like 10 of where you were with all your supper dupper tuning.

what does that have to do with anything? Anyone that has a gt2871r should be in that torque range with similar mods....Did you forget that he also makes 60+ more hp than you?


and you saying that running V-power in sr20s leave the rear bumper clean is a lie...all i run in this s13 is v-power and my rear bumper was covered so your point is invalid


anyway....just got a carbon fiber hood and bricks with hids, swapping my brothers slicks from his mustang rims to some 4 lugs that i have and im going to the track soon...hoping for low 11s at 120-125ish