How to run Negative Camber

[Replicant_S14]

Originally posted by cdlong
drifting or not, wouldn't the tires still wear evenly with less negative camber?

Take a look at the ouside front tire. Under the corner load it goes way positive.



Now, that's with stock camber settings. The car is now at -2.5 deg in the front and I still have slightly higher outside temps at the same track. It isn't enough for me to worry with but you get the idea. If I always drove my car in a straight line, then yeah, the neg camber would wear the inside first, but that would take a whole lot of straightline driving to do.

[UCC0279]

Replicant_S14 and dousan36.

Can't agree with you guys more.
My front tires set at -3 degree camber with 0 toe.
I too do track events. Well, most of them were drifting events.
perhaps 80 % more was used on street as my 240SX is my daily drive
too.

I've never had exessive wear on inner side of tires.
Well, most of people don't do track events, yeah too much negative camber hurts, especially people just don't need to corner.

I'll post up the picture of my front tires as soon as I get time to upload.

later

[revat619]

my car is set at - 2.5 degrees of camber and i have no tread problems whatsoever and i drive the car everyday.

To reiterate (sp?) what many have already said, negative camber doesn't kill tires, bad toe does.

[Chernobyl]

This is all relative, and it all depends on how YOU drive. People who drive their cars to school/work daily really have no need for -3deg camber, while people that track their cars often need the camber for what they do. The reason that a tracked car's tires wear evenly with high camber settings is that you scrub a lot more tire off in corners (where the tire is contacting evenly under load) than you do in a straight line. If you run -3deg camber and drive like a grandma, you will wear the insides of your tires marginally more than the outsides.

Now, when people say its toe that kills tires and not camber, they are usually referring to the idiot who lowered his car and didnt get an alignment. What you have now is tires that are not only contacting the ground with just the inside edge, but are also contacting it with the wrong toe angle. Toe changes with camber on our cars! Combine the fact that you are scrubbing the shit out of your tires' inside edges due to bad toe settings with the fact that the outside edge hardly ever touches the ground because you drive like a pansy, and you have a very unhappy 240sx owner. This should all be common sense/9th grade geometry. I can't stress this enough: GET A FUCKING ALIGNMENT AND SHUT UP!

[RBS14]

So if negative camber kills tires...........

Why do both of my rear tires have the same wear patterns (in terms of camber wear, which is VERY minimal) when one wheel is at -3.5 deg camber and one is at -1.5 ?? (yes, my frame is a little bent..... oh well) This is after two drift events...... on the REARS! If what you are saying is true..... why have both of my tires worn in the exact same manners?

You guys just need to get those tires loaded up more often to negate that camber wear you are experiencing.......

[Chernobyl]

Originally posted by RBS14
So if negative camber kills tires...........

.............
You guys just need to get those tires loaded up more often to negate that camber wear you are experiencing.......

I think you just answered your own question. Your tires are wearig evenly because you are loading them up at your drift events. If you drove like my grandma every day, your -3.5deg wheel would eventually wear more. A tire driving in a staright line will never wear as much as a tire sliding sideways along some asphalt. Hence your even wear, it all balances out with your drifting.

[Var]

OMG if there was ever a case of beating a dead horse...

JUST DONT DRIVE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AND YOU WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CAMBER! AHHHHHHH IM UNSUBSCRIBING FROM THIS THREAD NOW.

[ucfz31s13]

Originally posted by CrispMofo
I'm rolling my fenders and want my 17X7.5's +15 in the front to look sweet.

I doubt you need to roll fenders for fitment reasons on a 7.5" +15.

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[ridebmx]

i dunno, i have -1.5 camber all the way around, alittle toe in in the front, and 0 toe in the back, and have no uneven wear issues, as in issues that would arise concern. like everyone else said, if ur worried give it a try and with shitty tires first, and the toe in on the front i was told is good to have because under pressure the tie rods can flex some or whatever, causing your front tires to toe out, and insight on that? that and most stock setups call for toe in on the front...or atleast from what ive seen

[RBS14]

Originally posted by Chernobyl
I think you just answered your own question. Your tires are wearig evenly because you are loading them up at your drift events. If you drove like my grandma every day, your -3.5deg wheel would eventually wear more. A tire driving in a staright line will never wear as much as a tire sliding sideways along some asphalt. Hence your even wear, it all balances out with your drifting.

Not so much. If the -3.5 one would wear more driving in a straight line, it would wear more drifting too..... yes you are loading up your tires but rear tire wear (from drifting) usually shows camber wear, and you would think that with almost a 2 degree difference it would show. there is also quite a bit of street driving miles on these tires too...... multiple 3 hour drives on the 5 as well as street driving. Anyways, those are just my thoughts.

[adey]

Negative camber does wear tires unevenly, but it's minimal compared to inside tread wear due to toe out.

To answer the original question, other than camber plates, you can get adjustable front lower control arms.
(This way you can dial in positive camber on the camber plates, then a ton of negative camber on the bottom (LCAs) in order to widen the track. )

[sykikchimp]

ugg..

the front suspension, on our cars, DOES gain a small amount of negative camber in bump. Since the Dynamic change is so small on the front, you need to run more STATIC camber in the front IF you are tracking your car.

remember the your suspension moves with the car as it rolls.

When speaking of camber, It all comes down to tire temps.

If one part of your tire is hotter than another part of your tire, it will wear faster. period.

too much neg. camber for your style of driving/tire choice will result in higher inside edge tire temps. and your tires will wear unevenly. Too little, and you will wear the outside edge too quickly.

to restate what has been said about 15 times in this thread..

On a Daily Driver that sees no track time, Neg. camber beyond stock WILL cause uneven wear.

[Var]

I know i said i was gonna unsubscribe but i lied.

Sykikchimp....depends on the driver. if you drive like a 240 is supposed to be driven 2 or 3 degrees camber will do nothing except make your car handle better. On a daily driven cadillac it should cause uneven tire wear. not on a 240!! theoretically if you drive straight or turn like a little bitch, yes your tires will wear unevenly..but that's stating the obvious simply because the outer edge of the tire has no contact with the ground.. in a REAL LIFE situation where there are turns and you are going twice the speed limit drifting onto onramps and into the Mcdonald's drive through, it will all work itself out. My car has never seen the track and my tires get bald outside before the inside even with a 1.5 inch drop and tein pillow ball mounts all the way negative.

[docrice]

so the lesson of the day, thanks to westboroughpimp, is this:
To prevent uneven tread wear on a 240 with good negative camber, don't drive like a little b:tch.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by westboroughpimp
I know i said i was gonna unsubscribe but i lied.

Sykikchimp....depends on the driver. if you drive like a 240 is supposed to be driven 2 or 3 degrees camber will do nothing except make your car handle better. On a daily driven cadillac it should cause uneven tire wear. not on a 240!! theoretically if you drive straight or turn like a little bitch, yes your tires will wear unevenly..but that's stating the obvious simply because the outer edge of the tire has no contact with the ground.. in a REAL LIFE situation where there are turns and you are going twice the speed limit drifting onto onramps and into the Mcdonald's drive through, it will all work itself out. My car has never seen the track and my tires get bald outside before the inside even with a 1.5 inch drop and tein pillow ball mounts all the way negative.

wtf.. was I typing for my health??

what I said..

too much neg. camber for your style of driving/tire choice will result in higher inside edge tire temps. and your tires will wear unevenly. Too little, and you will wear the outside edge too quickly.

I would like to assume when I say:

On a Daily Driver that sees no track time, Neg. camber beyond stock WILL cause uneven wear.

...that you aren't driving like an ASS on the streets, and endagering peoples lives. No excuses.. there is no way to drive like you are talking without being a hazard on public roads. You will NEVER EVER know the true limits of your capabilities as a driver, and of your car until you hit an ACTUAL track.

[Var]

Originally posted by sykikchimp


...that you aren't driving like an ASS on the streets, and endagering peoples lives. No excuses.. there is no way to drive like you are talking without being a hazard on public roads. You will NEVER EVER know the true limits of your capabilities as a driver, and of your car until you hit an ACTUAL track.

Excuse me but you have no right to give me any advice on driving . I was obviously kidding about the drifting to get a point across. How many times have you crashed a car? None for me. And i dont endanger people's lives . Now you called me an ASS for no reason. im not gonna come back at you though cause it would take away the use of this thread. Again like DOCRICE said. To prevent uneven camber wear, dont drive like a little bitch.

[sykikchimp]

Your not going to "come back at me" .. ROFL.. WTF was that whole post??!

excuse ME.. but you OBVIOUSLY implied that you DID drive that way when you said:

My car has never seen the track and my tires get bald outside before the inside even with a 1.5 inch drop and tein pillow ball mounts all the way negative.

obviously you were joking about mcdonalds as an exageration, but don't try to cover yourself like you don't drive that way, cause you just said you did.

I didn't call you an ass. I said:

I would like to assume... that you aren't driving like an ASS on the streets, and endagering peoples lives.

now the only way one could interpret that the way you did, was if they really DID drive like an ass.

this:

Again like DOCRICE said. To prevent uneven camber wear, dont drive like a little bitch

also insinuates that "driving like a bitch" is obeying traffic laws, and simply being safe and curteous. You obviously don't "drive like a bitch" do you? You may not be an ass, but you certainly drive like one (from what you imply in your statements.)

And just because you have or haven't been involved in a wreck, has no bearing on how safe you drive. Keep doing it, and your time will come. You are obviously rather young judging from the naievity in your words. Get that young chip off your shoulder before you kill yourself, and possibly an innocent bystander.

btw - the outside is still in contact with the ground with 2-3 degrees of negative camber. Stop saying that it isn't. It simply see's less pressure, and so less of it is contacting the ground at any given time. So, there is less heat, and less wear.. if you are driving on the street the way you should be.

[Var]

It seems to be like you're being a jackass on purpose. if you're not then im sorry for misunderstanding your posts. Nothing i said was meant to be demeaning but all your posts are very insulting to me. so go do me a favor and get all your agressions out somewhere else instead of on me. Thanks. To everyone else reading this shit im sorry it turned into a pissing match after all.

[sykikchimp]

enough... thread topic has been beaten to death.