Scion FR-S Debut in New York

[exitspeed]

It's still not an actual production car, which bums me out a little, but it's cool seeing the evolution from the FT86, to the FT86 II to this. I like this one the most by far.

Discuss. BTW West and RJF are there and covering the event live.

[Future240]

Dammit! You beat me to it lol.

I'm so syked to see what's going to be under the hood.

[revcyanide]

meh maybe theyl confirm engine specs and weight at the "big unveiling"

[enkei2k]

i'll be there.. this looks like an interesting car. looks very aggressive and i wonder what the engine is...probably a 2.0T? i can't wait to see it this weekend.

[thrax]

very interesting

[ronmcdon]

Yeah it does appear more aggressive. Very sleek as well.
It may not be anything concrete, as the release date is still some ways off.
I do like the aesthetic direction it's headed though.

It should sell well as long as the specs and pricing are half decent.
I don't think it even needs to keep up with the performance of the V6 mustang, 3.8R gen coupe, etc
(even though it would be great if it did).

[DrftSLowHomIe!!]

any idea what the MSRP would be?

[simmode1]

Those wheels look ginormous. I'm hopeful about this car, but I'm doubtful its gonna beat the 2012 2.0T Genesis Coupe's value or performance. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does...

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by DrftSLowHomIe!!

any idea what the MSRP would be?

They have not said. Sources have reported anything from $17,000-$35,000. Although Toyota themselves have said that the point of the car is to be lightweight, low power, and affordable. IMO, the car will range from $19,000-$28,000 with the sweet spot being $25,000.

[simmode1]

^^^That would be great. But last time I heard, I heard they decided to go more upscale/upmarket with it & it was getting heavier & eclipsing $30k. I hope that's not true.

I'd be extremely happy if it were a 2.0 N/A boxer motor with 200whp weighing in at or under 2800lbs like the original target...

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

They have not said. Sources have reported anything from $17,000-$35,000. Although Toyota themselves have said that the point of the car is to be lightweight, low power, and affordable. IMO, the car will range from $19,000-$28,000 with the sweet spot being $25,000.

This makes the most sense to me...I hope they stick to their guns when they finally announce the production model.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^That would be great. But last time I heard, I heard they decided to go more upscale/upmarket with it & it was getting heavier & eclipsing $30k. I hope that's not true.

I'd be extremely happy if it were a 2.0 N/A boxer motor with 200whp weighing in at or under 2800lbs like the original target...

Yeah, that "last you heard" wasn't from Toyota. That's the tricky part about all of this, is you have to try and weed out what Toyota themselves are saying, vs the rumors from this magazine or that magazine. Last Toyota themselves said anything about price they were still talking affordable. Some other sources have been reporting otherwise. I don't believe anything I don't hear/read directly from Toyota. HOPEFULLY we will hear some actual concrete info from the show.

[lawrenceyang]

why are they badging it under scion ? toyota is much more prestigious -______-

[usdm180sx]

Exactly. Scion didn't make the AE86 Toyota did.

[exitspeed]

Scion needs a serious boost in sales. The brand is doing really bad.

Honestly I don't care what they call it as long as it comes out and it's what they have been saying it is.

[Future240]

Plus scion is geared more to the youthful sport oriented side and Toyota more sedan older set.

I am really hoping the engine is boosted with 205-220 hp factory with a stout engine that can handle mods.

[ronmcdon]

i don't know how well the demographic based marketing is doing.
most scion drivers I've seen are probably closer to middle aged & seniors.
I think in the end, badge engineering's effect is limited at best.

but whatever, makes little difference to me whether it gets released as a toyota or scion.
maybe the image of driving a scion is a bit uncool for some, but i could care less.

Originally Posted by simmode1

Those wheels look ginormous. I'm hopeful about this car, but I'm doubtful its gonna beat the 2012 2.0T Genesis Coupe's value or performance. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does...

That's another thing to keep an eye on, although I'm more impartial to the V6.
Supposedly gets a decent power & torque increase to a speculated 330hp/291tq.
Can't wait to see.

[exitspeed]

Toyota has said that this car is all about handling. They aren't going for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times here. It's kind of the same idea as the Miata.

[BustedS13]

two things
for some reason i really like the giant "SCION" on the hatch. reminds me of the 90's.
i wish car companies would stop putting cartoon diffusers on everything.

[Gizmo_S13]

Damn! That looks aggressive!

[revcyanide]

April 20, 2011 - New York - Scion unveiled the rear-wheel drive FR-S Concept sports coupe today at the 2011 New York International Auto Show. The concept, which sets out to stimulate the souls of true driving enthusiasts, will be at the Scion display through May 1. The FR-S Concept will inspire a new model coming to the Scion brand next year.
The FR-S Concept, which stands for Front-engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport; is Scion’s definition of an authentic rear-wheel-drive sports car with compelling style, exceptionally balanced performance and handling, flexible utility and surprising MPG.
"Scion is always experimenting with new things," said Jack Hollis, Scion vice president. "The brand is iconic with the xB, adrenalized by the tC, and groundbreaking with the iQ. The FR-S will expand the brand into yet another new dimension that I know it is truly destined for."
The FR-S is a true "scion," born into a lengthy history of Toyota performance cars and motorsports. The sports coupe is most inspired by the AE86 generation of the Corolla, better known as the Hachi-Roku, meaning "8-6" in Japanese. The front-engine, rear-wheel drive coupe was lightweight and well balanced, making it a solid choice for driving enthusiasts.
Inspired by the AE86, the FR-S is built around the core goal of achieving "pure balance," which begins with the strategic placement of a flat 2.0-liter boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration. The engine’s compact size and shape

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Scion FR-S Concept/2-2-2-2
allows the FR-S’ powertrain to be mounted lower and further back towards the rear, giving the car a lower center of gravity and a dynamically favorable front-to-rear weight ratio.
The FR-S’ naturally-aspirated engine is innovative, being the first boxer to incorporate Toyota’s D4-S injection system, which utilizes both direct and port injection, resulting in increased horsepower and torque throughout the entire powerband, without sacrificing MPG.
The flat-four can mate with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick and precise shifts with a short-throw, while the automatic transmission features aggressive, sporty shifts that are initiated by steering- wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is distributed effectively via a limited-slip differential.
The idea of "pure balance" is further realized by the FR-S’ lightweight design and short wheelbase. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of any corner, with dynamic maneuverability and confident stability.
"Akio Toyoda has mentioned that he is going to bring the fun-to-drive spirit back to Toyota," Hollis said. "I know that the Scion FR-S Concept is one of the ways that he plans to accomplish that."
The fierce exterior of the FR-S is a good reflection of its inner power. The intimidating proportions of the concept give it a dominant stance that bleeds performance. The profile, inspired by the Toyota 2000GT, reveals a hood-line that is remarkably sleek and low, made possible by the boxer’s architecture.
The low stance continues to exaggerate the FR-S’ menacing face, which is made up of sharp lines, a wide mouth and angular headlights that include bright LED clusters.
The solid panel roofline is sleek, lightweight and rigid, slotted with an aerodynamic shape that channels air cleanly over to the top.
The front fenders protrude upward, making space for the massive monoblock Five Axis 20x8.5-inch wheels, while the muscular rear fenders are widened to house the 20x10.5-inch wheels, emphasizing the FR-S’ staggered stance and rear-wheel-drive setup.
The rear fascia sits low and wide, with extensive lower treatments that surround the dual exhaust exits and contribute to excellent aerodynamics. LEDs illuminate both the edgy taillights and the bold "SCION" logo.
The concept features four-piston-caliper front brakes that clamp down on monstrous 18-inch annular carbon ceramic matrix rotors that are fixed to the wheels in a motorcycle-fashion.
The FR-S Concept is layered in rich coats of Code Red, the appropriately named color that consists of a custom blend of candy and a developmental additive from BASF called Mearlite SSQ.

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Toyota Division Communications

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Scion FR-S Concept/3-3-3-3
Concept Dimensions
Length – 168.2
Width – 71.5
Height – 47.4
Front Track – 61.8
Rear Track – 59.9
Wheelbase – 101.2

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

the FR-S is built around the core goal of achieving "pure balance," which begins with the strategic placement of a flat 2.0-liter boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration.

This.

See Toyota has said that from the begining. it's only magazines that have reported that things are different.

Also, the fact that they are badging this as a Scion is almost definitive proof that it will be affordable instead of upmarket as some reports suggest.

Autoblog has a new galleru up!

Peep that hood scoop!
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/scion-fr-s-concept-1

[LimeLite Racing]

This looks so sick. Nice work Toyota!!!!!

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

massive monoblock Five Axis 20x8.5-inch wheels,

Oh really? Fuck your mother, Toyota.

Thats the only thing I don't like so far. I really hope the production model goes down to like 17's or 18's at least. I don't like the idea of upgrading wheels on a entry level sports car from 20's to 22's or something...

[BustedS13]

the giant oem wheels trend is kind of fruity.

[DataXUnknown]

I'm not going to go back and read it over again, but I believe they said in the article that this is probably nowhere near the production model. It's definitely still in concept stages, that the sharp side mirrors, big ass wheels, and some other things need to be addressed.

Nonetheless, this may be the car I save up for to buy brand new. I'm taking a guess at $28,000, we all know it's going to be more powerful than the TC's which are what, around like $20,000 I believe? Add some HP, make it RWD and bam you got $28k lol

[lawrenceyang]

looks too aggressive for me

[exitspeed]

Things that will not make production:

Wheels
Brakes
Rear Diffuser
Giant SCION on rear deck
Door handles
Hood scoop
Shape of the roof on the top of the rear window
mirrors

[lawrenceyang]

rear looks a lot like the lfa which is nice but damn i really do not like the front at all. too many angles going on

[ESmorz]

Ugh Scion.

The marketing strategy Toyota has used with Scion is unforgivable, and the people who mod them are even worse.

I guess I will just have to wait and see what the Subaru version is up to, or the next gen Genesis Coupe.