Scion FR-S Debut in New York

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by roboticnissan

This car would look.absolutely disgusting drifting. Not my style of cars at all.

Is 'disgusting' slang for 'awesome'?

YouTube - GT5 Drifting in my Toyota FT-86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyvaSC7lW1I

[RJF]

For those interested, we have a summary of an interview we did with two Scion spokespersons over at Toyobaru.net along with tons of pictures that Mark took.

Toyobaru talks with Scion Public Relations about Scion FR-S - Toyota FT-86 / FR-S Forum and Subaru 216a Forum | Toyobaru.net Forums

[WERDdabuilder]

the sex child of a 370z+LF-A. body wise

getting my pants all tight and shit.

[HyperTek]

comes factory flush. hahah that would be cool.. or all concept cars are typical fender flush

[cured13]

I was thinking about buying used 350 or 370 Z next year but this car changed everything.

[SimpleS14]

Car looks good and after seeing the mess that is the 2012 Impreza...I doubt Subaru will have a better looking car.

Originally Posted by cured13

I was thinking about buying used 350 or 370 Z next year but this car changed everything.

IDK...I would still entertain the thought of getting a used 370Z.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

after seeing the mess that is the 2012 Impreza...I doubt Subaru will have a better looking car.

No kidding. I have almost no faith that Subaru will deliver anything halfway attractive.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

No kidding. I have almost no faith that Subaru will deliver anything halfway attractive.

Really? I honestly like the new wrx/sti's in both sedan and hatch, I can understand the looks of the 08-10 wrx because they look like shit, but the newer body lines make the car look 10x more aggressive I'm glad they changed it up. It actually was the car I was going to buy before I decided to go for the Evo

I have faith Subaru could pull it off, you also have to remember sports coupes aren't really there niche so it will be a new venture unless you count the svx. It's be pretty ironic if they called it that

[revcyanide]

hes talking about this boring peice of shit.




that is the 2011 impreza.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

hes talking about this boring peice of shit.




that is the 2011 impreza.

Oh jeez that is ugly and boring looking lol then I retract my statement to the previous generation and not this new abortion

[exitspeed]

Ok. Now we're on the same page.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Ok. Now we're on the same page.

Lol Yeah I think we usually are, so now I know why I was confused.

As far as the FR-S goes have they said if it's going to be a fastback or just going to have a regular trunk?

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Lol Yeah I think we usually are, so now I know why I was confused.

As far as the FR-S goes have they said if it's going to be a fastback or just going to have a regular trunk?

They haven't said, but it looks like it's gonna be a hatch/fastback to me.

the concept looks like it's kind of a traditional trunk, but I just think it makes more sense for the production model to be a hatch. It also makes the cars that much more practical. Even though the point of this thing is to not even be able to pronounce practical.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Lol Yeah I think we usually are, so now I know why I was confused.

As far as the FR-S goes have they said if it's going to be a fastback or just going to have a regular trunk?

The president said

"I envision it would be the perfect daily driver AND weekend warrior. How about a 2+2 seating configuration… with a fold-flat cargo area large enough to transport a full set of race-spec tires… a floor jack and the necessary pit tools for a fun day at the track? Because you and I know that not all enthusiasts have a truck and trailer."

He could be talking out of his ass but I don't see a regular trunk doing this.

[exitspeed]

^
Good catch.

[silviaguy240]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

do Saturns dent now?
oh yeah, GM still covers existing warranties because they're GM products.

yep well any new model after 07 will. aura, sky, outlook, new vue and astra are all metal.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

I'd drive a Toyota over a Hyundai any day.

Hehehehehe I would have to agree with this. This car is finally looking pretty damn nice. I like it, except for the 20 inch wheels(small issue).
I am indeed impressed and the next question is will it make to market this nice and when and will they keep the price down?
I know Scion Badging suggests lower price. Lets hope that happens.

OH and yes this car looks a whole lot better than the GC. LOL

Originally Posted by BustedS13

anyway, this car is smoking hot, i wish Nissan would step up and give us a new 240z.

Or something in that vein, and yes this car is hot.

Oh and it is interesting Nissan has a hybrid concept that has similar lines. This takes us right back to the late 60's and 2000GT and 240Z both of which came out of a common ground concept.
Of course the 2000GT was more in LFA territory for pricing of the times and the 240Z wound up in the catagory this car is aiming for.

I would love to see Nissan come up with a New Z that was somewhere between the 370 and this car.

[roboticnissan]

I retract my statement. I guess the cg images I saw sucked. The car in real life looks good. I'd still choose a 370 or a genesis tho. By looks alone.

[DenkiMan!]

whaaaay does it have to be called a scion...

[usdm180sx]

I dunno man I'd still take a 370z over this. I know it's in a different market segment but bang for the buck wise I think it's a better deal. No Genesis for me either. That being said this is a sexy car. But I don't wanna drive a Scion haha

[camaro379ss]

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

whaaaay does it have to be called a scion...

+1 I agree. That aside its still a slick looking car.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by usdm180sx

I dunno man I'd still take a 370z over this. I know it's in a different market segment but bang for the buck wise I think it's a better deal. No Genesis for me either. That being said this is a sexy car. But I don't wanna drive a Scion haha

I can see this, Oh and ya Toyota should keep it Toyota badged. The 370 is actually coming up here on a design cycle change. 2013. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[camaro379ss]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I can see this, Oh and ya Toyota should keep it Toyota badged. The 370 is actually coming up here on a design cycle change. 2013. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Yeea but since the 370z is so new still it will be very minor subtle design cues that are generally changed. Since I am no longer a nissan tech I couldnt tell you what exactly but they do give their current techs somewhat of a kind of access to this stuff in either their tech talk magazine or their secure website.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

whaaaay does it have to be called a scion...

Originally Posted by camaro379ss

+1 I agree. That aside its still a slick looking car.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I can see this, Oh and ya Toyota should keep it Toyota badged. The 370 is actually coming up here on a design cycle change. 2013. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Lol I don't think any of you read the part about it being more affordable because of the Scion badging, which at the beginning of page 3 was repeated once again. Honestly I could care less about the Scion badging, it really doesn't matter at all, because at the end of the day it is still a Toyota product. That's like saying "I wouldn't buy a Toyota but I'd buy a Lexus." It really makes no difference in the end product besides how you think others will perceive you. Honestly at least the Scion brand promotes creativity and having something different, unlike half of the stupid, unpainted, trendwhorish cars on here. The main thing is it will be your car you can choose whatever you want to do with it, if you want to get JDM/EDM Toyota badging down the line so be it, if you want to make it a riced out piece of shit so be it. There is idiots in every brand, and I'm not going to judge the brand based on some people with bad taste. Hell if the TC was rwd I would've picked that up and not thought twice about the other people in the Scion community.

[camaro379ss]

^^ what you say makes since, however whenever I think of scion I think of when it first came out with the xb and xa. Tehy got better with the tc but i got some brand association problems in my head. And yes if the tc was rwd it would be better but thats not the corner of the market nor price point they were orignally after.

[ZenkiKid]

Since its gonna be under the scion banner i expect this thing to only be like 25k MAX

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Lol I don't think any of you read the part about it being more affordable because of the Scion badging, which at the beginning of page 3 was repeated once again. Honestly I could care less about the Scion badging, it really doesn't matter at all, because at the end of the day it is still a Toyota product. That's like saying "I wouldn't buy a Toyota but I'd buy a Lexus." It really makes no difference in the end product besides how you think others will perceive you. Honestly at least the Scion brand promotes creativity and having something different, unlike half of the stupid, unpainted, trendwhorish cars on here. The main thing is it will be your car you can choose whatever you want to do with it, if you want to get JDM/EDM Toyota badging down the line so be it, if you want to make it a riced out piece of shit so be it. There is idiots in every brand, and I'm not going to judge the brand based on some people with bad taste. Hell if the TC was rwd I would've picked that up and not thought twice about the other people in the Scion community.

I personally feel the same way about the car itself.
I'm not terribly bothered that it got released as a scion.

However, you have to understand a lot of ppl don't feel comfortable being associated with Scion & it's poseur/ricer image.
Ppl have their reasons for buying whatever they want, i would not bother trying to convince them otherwise.

All things equal, i would have preferred Toyota over Scion as well.
However, the Scion badge to me isn't a deal killer.

I totally disagree that Scion brand 'promotes creativity'.
It's just badge engineering & marking to entice kids who are into American car shows like HIN.
(which is inevitably going to have a polarizing effect, as we can see on this tread alone)
All cars are merely fwd budget econo-boxes.
Almost every product sold in America capitalizes off the individual's insecure need to be 'different'
Nothing new here about that, same banal marketing.

If anyone likes the company, great, I'm sure it caters towards certain tastes.
I just don't see anything innovative about the company itself so far in the US market.

[beeracing s14]

shut up all of you.. i bet half of you will sell your 240s for this.

[SaNTi]

Call me Ignant, but any word on what type of Transmission these will have? True manual transmissions or what?

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Lol I don't think any of you read the part about it being more affordable because of the Scion badging, which at the beginning of page 3 was repeated once again. Honestly I could care less about the Scion badging, it really doesn't matter at all, because at the end of the day it is still a Toyota product. That's like saying "I wouldn't buy a Toyota but I'd buy a Lexus." It really makes no difference in the end product besides how you think others will perceive you. Honestly at least the Scion brand promotes creativity and having something different, unlike half of the stupid, unpainted, trendwhorish cars on here. The main thing is it will be your car you can choose whatever you want to do with it, if you want to get JDM/EDM Toyota badging down the line so be it, if you want to make it a riced out piece of shit so be it. There is idiots in every brand, and I'm not going to judge the brand based on some people with bad taste. Hell if the TC was rwd I would've picked that up and not thought twice about the other people in the Scion community.

Wow you so missed the gist of my point. It has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about Scion badging pertaining to my likes. I do not have a problem driving a Scion badged car and you assumed an awful lot out of my statement that was not there.

My point of the should have badged it Toyota, is Toyota wants to get away from their stodgy 50-60 year old driver image that they have. They have stated this publicly on a few occasions in the last year.

If they Badge the car as a Scion it does not do that.

Why? Because unlike the enthusiast (or people on this forum) who knows what is going on, the average buying public is clueless.
They see Scion they think Scion. They do not thing Toyota.

Oh and for your thinking Scion brand promotes creativity? Congratulations you just got suckered into their marketing. That is exactly what they want you to think, so you will buy the brand. Congrats you have been sold and sold hard. LOL

In case you did not know Scion was originally Daihatsu in Japan and Toyota bought them and started re marketing them as Scion. Scion is actually not nearly at the level of build quality as the regular Toyota line. IMHO

Hats off to Toyota for successfully selling Americans on Scion being cool and original when actually it was standard and a copy of other manufacturers in Japan. LOL

Originally Posted by beeracing s14

shut up all of you.. i bet half of you will sell your 240s for this.

Wow, don't like the fact that people have opinions and don't like everything that comes down the pike?

I am not sure about half the people selling their 240's and buying this car. Like I said before its sexy but its a different deal.

I personally will most likely replace my 240 with a S30. Yup backwards to a classic rather than forward.
I want to get back to the cars that started me and I still have fond memories of.