Brutal beating in Baltimore McDonalds

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

There has to be something malfunctioning in that person's mind if they think it is rational to have a sex change operation performed on their body. If you told me you were planning on getting a sex change, I would call you an idiot (but in a friendly way).

Well say hypothetically the victim's mind is malfunctioning and the victim is an idiot.

how does that justify any of this?
how is it even relevant?

[KiLLeR2001]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Well say hypothetically the victim's mind is malfunctioning and the victim is an idiot.

how does that justify any of this?
how is it even relevant?

Did I say the actions of the black females were justified? No I did not.

My whole argument is you don't know what went on in that bathroom. The only aspect that you can convey from this situation is "Black girls beat white trans-gender male because he is different". While that still may be true, the fact remains that this person could have done something horrible that would trigger the two black females to act in the way they did. Is it justified? No, it's not.

If I punch you in the face as an adult male, and you are also an adult male, society tells you that you should punch me back. But is that the right thing to do? No, it's not.

Really shows the maturity level here when I voice my outlook on things and people are quick to swarm in with insults. Carry on boys.

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

Did I say the actions of the black females were justified? No I did not.

My whole argument is you don't know what went on in that bathroom. The only aspect that you can convey from this situation is "Black girls beat white trans-gender male because he is different". While that still may be true, the fact remains that this person could have done something horrible that would trigger the two black females to act in the way they did. Is it justified? No, it's not.

If I punch you in the face as an adult male, and you are also an adult male, society tells you that you should punch me back. But is that the right thing to do? No, it's not.

Really shows the maturity level here when I voice my outlook on things and people are quick to swarm in with insults. Carry on boys.

If u put your hands on someone there in their right to defend themselves! If u can't solve your problems with words than maybe it just goes unsettled WALK AWAY but if sock someone in the face I hope they beat your ass down.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

Did I say the actions of the black females were justified? No I did not.

My whole argument is you don't know what went on in that bathroom. The only aspect that you can convey from this situation is "Black girls beat white trans-gender male because he is different". While that still may be true, the fact remains that this person could have done something horrible that would trigger the two black females to act in the way they did. Is it justified? No, it's not.

If I punch you in the face as an adult male, and you are also an adult male, society tells you that you should punch me back. But is that the right thing to do? No, it's not.

Really shows the maturity level here when I voice my outlook on things and people are quick to swarm in with insults. Carry on boys.

I still don't think you've answered my second question.
Again, let's say the victim's mind is malfunctioning, and they are an idiot.
How is that relevant?

It's one thing to say that the victim being transgendered may have provoked the attack
(which would confirm the assumption of this being a hate crime).
It's another thing to question why the victim chose to be trans gender in the first place, and presume there's a likelihood that they chose to be such b/c of stupidity and malfunctioning of the mind.
Why did you feel the need to say this?

I can't speak for others, but it's not my intention to throw insults.
Just intrigued with your rationale behind why your earlier post, and that's why I'm asking.
In all fairness, you can't expect to voice controversial opinions without pushing any buttons here or pretty much anywhere else.

Originally Posted by getagrip

I'd easy take the consequence of losing my job to help in a situation like that. As if there wasn't so much crap in this world to look down at already, and this is my generation. Fucking pathetic. On the flip side it makes me realize the value of life more and more every time I see something like this. I hope those ignorant girls get what they deserve fighting over such a stupid thing, and beating a trans gender who has done nothing wrong (to my knowledge).

I really hope society can turn around for the better, not that everyone is like this obviously, but there will always be trash like this around. Such a shame.

I wouldn't go so far to generalize that the root of the problem lies within the current generation.
I do feel that this is possibly the result of poor upbringing, which is going to happen everywhere, all the time.
I also feel that if you live in a ghetto, you will inevitably expose yourself to some of the worst examples of human behavior.
Poverty usually does that (ppl love to say racism is the cause, but I don't find that reasoning too compelling).
It's not an optimal environment to bringing up kids.

We just see more of this now, possibly b/c of cell-phones w/ video recording capability & the attention that youtube presents.
If you didn't see so much of this 10 years ago or further back,
doesn't necc mean it did not happen or that the world was a better place then.

[KiLLeR2001]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I still don't think you've answered my second question.
Again, let's say the victim's mind is malfunctioning, and they are an idiot.
How is that relevant?

It's relevant because I am questioning this person's history of rational decision making based on the factual knowledge that he went ahead with a sex change operation. On top of that notion, this person was also intoxicated during this whole ordeal. Regardless, what the black females did in this video is still intolerable. What I am getting at is that there is a possibility that the victim did something to set off the black females that society (their ghetto society) may deem as a justified action.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

I agree with you here, but the victim was a MALE with a sex change operation. If you see two girls beating up a gay guy, do you still intervene?

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

There has to be something malfunctioning in that person's mind if they think it is rational to have a sex change operation performed on their body. If you told me you were planning on getting a sex change, I would call you an idiot (but in a friendly way).

So what have we learned today?

That watching someone get the shit beat out of them is better than helping them in any case, and that you are an ignorant bigot.

Class was canceled today, but I got an education.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

So what have we learned today?

That watching someone get the shit beat out of them is better than helping them in any case, and that you are an ignorant bigot.

Class was canceled today, but I got an education.

Word. He's pretty much learning us a good one.

[Darren]

You guys can say what you want about the guy taking the video, but i think it was a good thing to do.

Without this video, it's a lot of hearsay and some witnesses that probably wouldn't have gotten involved.

The real people that should be looked at are the ones laughing in the background. OK i can see not stepping in for fear of getting shanked or whatever, but call the cops and don't make light of someone being beaten half to death.

As for the person who made the video, unless they were part of the plot to beat on the victim, that person should NOT have been fired, if anything should have been given praise for documenting it.

Also, the violent suggestions in this thread as to how to deal with these two petty women are just as bad as they are. Let the legal system deal with them, and hope someone learns from this.

[gearhead55]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

I agree with you here, but the victim was a MALE with a sex change operation. If you see two girls beating up a gay guy, do you still intervene?

I dont care what gender the people involved identify with, if i saw anyone dragging another person by the hair and stomping on their head i would most definitely intervene.

Originally Posted by holemilk00

Yes, I would have still put both of their faces on blast, no matter what is going on in a fight, when the other person is down, its time to move on, not continue to come back and kick someone in the face, and stomp on their head.

exactly. especially since this went on for 3 minutes at minimum, 10 minutes allegedly.

Originally Posted by Darren

Also, the violent suggestions in this thread as to how to deal with these two petty women are just as bad as they are. Let the legal system deal with them, and hope someone learns from this.

I say fuck that. You clearly see a dude try and break up the fight multiple times and every time the girls come back and continue to stomp and hair-drag. In a situation like that i cannot see a way to prevent the beating from continuing other than physically stopping the attackers. Yes the legal system should serve the ultimate punishment, but i can't see how anybody with a conscious could not get physically involved.

[Darren]

Originally Posted by gearhead55

I say fuck that. You clearly see a dude try and break up the fight multiple times and every time the girls come back and continue to stomp and hair-drag. In a situation like that i cannot see a way to prevent the beating from continuing other than physically stopping the attackers. Yes the legal system should serve the ultimate punishment, but i can't see how anybody with a conscious could not get physically involved.

I did not say i would not get involved... In fact i more than likely would have put the women on their asses after having seen them come back for more and more. What i am saying is that i would not want to see them chopped up or other ideas that other posters had brought up. Give them the harshest sentence that the local law allows, after saving the victim.

[tricky_ab]

Update: both girls have been arrested and are being charged with assault. Police records show that the 18 year old girl assaulted another woman in the same McDonalds about a year ago.

Also the lady who tried to help and got punched in the fact said even though the video is only 3 minutes long, the assault lasted for about 10.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-case

[aziankingz]

This world and generation is fucked up.. the other day i read an article about a bunch of teens in florida lured a 15 year old kid to a house, beat him, shot him a few times, dumped his body in a fire pit and put his ashes in a bunch of paint cans..

Six People Accused of Killing Florida Teen, Burning His Body - FoxNews.com

[dudermagee]

Originally Posted by aziankingz

This world and generation is fucked up.. the other day i read an article about a bunch of teens in florida lured a 15 year old kid to a house, beat him, shot him a few times, dumped his body in a fire pit and put his ashes in a bunch of paint cans..

Six People Accused of Killing Florida Teen, Burning His Body - FoxNews.com

I read that today too, kinda gave me a little panic attack to think that there are a group of children capable of doing this.

[lewisfk]

I agree with lot of u guys when u said the guys in the back ground and the manager are cowards, I think in most cases if someone would of hit the females in defense of the dude on the ground i think they would of went to jail. I see this shit all to often when women or girls jump on other female and males and everyone is scared to help because when they turn on u then what.

[holemilk00]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

I agree with lot of u guys when u said the guys in the back ground and the manager are cowards, I think in most cases if someone would of hit the females in defense of the dude on the ground i think they would of went to jail. I see this shit all to often when women or girls jump on other female and males and everyone is scared to help because when they turn on u then what.

I bartended through college, I've seen a lot of bouncers and other bar staff hit women that were in fights and then turned on them when they tried to stop it. I've never heard of any bouncer or bar staff going to jail because of it. And having a really good grasp on the legal system now, if you tried to stop that fight, and those two girls turned on you, you could defend yourself to the fullest of your ability and be well within your rights, no solid charges could be brought against you. Now if you ended up beating them down like they are this girl in the video, and you went way beyond what was needed, you're going to jail. But minors or not, a few quick jabs to the face, would have stopped this, and could EASILY be argued in court as self defense.

[gearhead55]

Originally Posted by holemilk00

I bartended through college, I've seen a lot of bouncers and other bar staff hit women that were in fights and then turned on them when they tried to stop it. I've never heard of any bouncer or bar staff going to jail because of it. And having a really good grasp on the legal system now, if you tried to stop that fight, and those two girls turned on you, you could defend yourself to the fullest of your ability and be well within your rights, no solid charges could be brought against you. Now if you ended up beating them down like they are this girl in the video, and you went way beyond what was needed, you're going to jail. But minors or not, a few quick jabs to the face, would have stopped this, and could EASILY be argued in court as self defense.

/\/\/\agree.

[dsastr_clan]

dang it the video has been removed from youtube, anyone has a different link from the video

[dsastr_clan]

Transgender Woman Severely Beaten at Baltimore McDonalds While Employees Watch | The Bilerico Project

found it

[VNG704]

To help society, start with your own kids and/or yourself.

[whereda40at]

i live in baltimore. this is the least of our worries. lmao that seems like a calm day, only difference is that someone could afford a camera phone that lives in the city.

[TougeLove]

This will continue until people take the law into their own hands. Jokes aside we need some boondock saint actions to start killing those who do sick and twisted shit. those girls deserve to die. people who have done less deserve to die. people need a fucking wake up call and reality check.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by TougeLove

This will continue until people take the law into their own hands. Jokes aside we need some boondock saint actions to start killing those who do sick and twisted shit. those girls deserve to die. people who have done less deserve to die. people need a fucking wake up call and reality check.

Seriously though it seems like society as a whole keeps getting worse, the better things get in some areas, the shittier it gets in others. A big part of it is parenting and/or lack there of; Some of these people are just raised completely fucked up and there is a shitload of videos on youtube reflecting its. Hell just type in mcdonalds and fight and you get all sorts of ghetto people being obnoxious, rude, or a flat out general piece of shit in society. These people will never do any good in the world, and it's sad to say will continue to breed other little fuckers that will never do any good in the world. The people that cheer on fights, the people that are loud for no reason, the people that encourage these types of actions should all be dealt with, but America has become so pussified to stand up for themselves for fear of being put into the wrong because of laws that are designed to protect scum. People like this make me want to move where I don't need to be around half of these idiots, and sadly these same idiots are the ones who continue to breed more and more.

[IbarraZ33]

Dude that video is fucking worse !!!!

Those big guys, STAND THE FUCK BY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! HELL YAH !

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by IbarraZ33

Dude that video is fucking worse !!!!

Those big guys, STAND THE FUCK BY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! HELL YAH !

I wouldn't doubt it if they were in a gang, I read earlier that one of those ungrateful pieces of shit did this last year. There are a few states and cities were shit like this is common, and I think its because the good citizens don't have the right to protect themselves. I wouldn't lost any sleep if that dude got up or was able to put a couple of rounds in them!

[Otto347]

Originally Posted by IbarraZ33

Dude that video is fucking worse !!!!

That video was not worse, that was a mini brawl between people that could hold their own. Yeah for a second two or three girls were kicking someone but it got broken up fast and no one there took a beating for 5 to 10 minutes uninterrupted.

If two equally matched people are fighting, let them gas out then break it up. It will only take about 20 to 30 seconds of fist swinging for both parties are wore out. The original video posted here was of an unfair, uncalled for ass beating.

A good tool to have in these types of situations would be a fucking tazzer. I have my concealed permit but one thing the instructor told us was always have something thats non lethal to use first, pepper spray or a tazzer. Cattle prod those two bitches and it would have been over in 5 seconds. tell girl getting ass whipped to GTFO........

[whereda40at]

yeah but this is nothing in baltimore. im sure anyone else from here can vouch and tell you that a beating is a move in the right direction. this area is getting better believe it or not. after living here for 23 years of my life, there are only 3 parts of the country i would not be caught dead in alone in a car with locked doors. Thats north ave, blue light district south bmore and camden in jersey. lol

[sil80owner]

Wow I hate the dumbasses Just watching some people truly deserve to die... I hope those two girls get raped one day...that's my wish

[getagrip]

I'd easy take the consequence of losing my job to help in a situation like that. As if there wasn't so much crap in this world to look down at already, and this is my generation. Fucking pathetic. On the flip side it makes me realize the value of life more and more every time I see something like this. I hope those ignorant girls get what they deserve fighting over such a stupid thing, and beating a trans gender who has done nothing wrong (to my knowledge).

I really hope society can turn around for the better, not that everyone is like this obviously, but there will always be trash like this around. Such a shame.

[Future240]

I couldn't watch the vids. I hate to see people hurt like that........

[getagrip]

Yea I skipped some of it just to finish, I hate seeing that knowing its real.