Sleeper KA-T Photos. Post them up!!!

[matts13vert]

Originally Posted by EsChassisLove

Congrats you get 24mpg.

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.

[GroundPerformance]

Always used silicone hoses on mine.

With AC


NO AC..

[GroundPerformance]

Originally Posted by matts13vert

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.

A slightly bigger turbo may help.. T25 spools almost instantly on KA24.

[EsChassisLove]

Originally Posted by matts13vert

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.

KA?

My SR is technically a SR22 but I still get 30mpg lol.

PS-Forged internals really really really kill gas mileage. In the mornings when I warm up I'll probably get 24mpg cuz of the warmup.


I have to admit these are some clean KA-T setups. I usually see them done shitty, quick and half assed

[UNISA JECS]

Originally Posted by EsChassisLove

Congrats you get 24mpg.

The tank is ~15 gallons but not quite 16 gallons so thats between 26-27mpg.

But my calulations of 420 miles per tank full are based on using 14.5 - 14.9 gallons of gas because I didn't want to run out of gas obviously so based on that almost 29mpg's so its not to bad bad.

My bone stock S13 KA24DE sucked in the MPG department but that was mostly do to the knock sensor shielded singal wire which very commonly fails on teh S13's and shorst to ground via the shielded cable making contact with the singal line inside this multilayer wire, but thats a whole other story.

I guarntee you hardly anyother KA24DE-T will even come close to my milage and I bet they will agree.

[UNISA JECS]

Originally Posted by GroundPerformance

Always used silicone hoses on mine.

With AC


NO AC..

Thats a major fail oil return setup (for no AC), the oil return is gravity drained, you taped into the easy way which is the wrong way. Oil can back up in your return line and overfill in the CHRA and raise to the level of the oil control ring and start leaking fuel into the turbine side of teh housing which will start cokeing up and turn into hard carbon deposits and wear yoru turbo out prematurely.

Mines work for both AC and no AC because I thought it threw and yes my KA-T had full AC.

[GroundPerformance]

Could be.. But haven't had any issues like that on any of the KA-T I've done and helped. General rule for oil return is to keep free flowing and as high in the pan you can place it.

BTW that Modded PAN came from a Formula drift car. Dont think he had that issues.

[UNISA JECS]

Well I know that 4 full quarts of oil will fill up to the almost very top of the pan where it meets the block, granted there is never gonna be a full 4 quarts setting in the pan while driving but its still better to be safe than sorry, I know this because again I filled up the oil pan with 4 quarts of water when the pan was off to see where the maxima height of oil would reach and this is how I came up with my oil return location.

Beyound all that, if that doesnt even become a problem its still not a good location to tap for the return as the oil exiting the CHRA is frothy and air being sucked up by the oil pick up is not a good thing. This is also why turbo oil drain lines are large.

[GroundPerformance]

While I do believe that issue on placement is minimal if any. You do bring up a good point. Thanks!

[UNISA JECS]

Originally Posted by GroundPerformance

Always used silicone hoses on mine.

With AC


NO AC..

Originally Posted by GroundPerformance

While I do believe that issue if any is minimal. You do bring up a good point. Thanks!

These aren't things your not gonna see be an issue right away, again im about reliability and the long haul im not satified with 2 or 3 years usage before im replacing the turbo or an engine. Just here on zilvia alone you'll read more threads mentioning a T25 failed in one week, like if its widely accepted that its cool if you get a year or two out of them lol....but thats also due to running improperly adjusted BOV also (compressor surge).

[towlie]

What turbo manifold(s) are you guys using?

I love how stock these look

[illvialuver]

looking good, wold like more stats on your set up unisa jecs.

[UNISA JECS]

Originally Posted by illvialuver

looking good, wold like more stats on your set up unisa jecs.

Stock Internal KA24DE
SSAC BMM
370cc
stock FPR (no need for an adjustable one just yet)
stock S13 SMIC w/all piping
stock KA24DE ECU with Nistune Type 3 Board
Z32 TT fuel pump with re-wired relay for 14v all teh fuel pump
GM 3 bar MAP sensor for logging boost/vacuum
Apexi AVCR
Apexi Turbo Timer
Apexi GT Spec Exhaust
Innovate LM-2 wideband
Defi Link meter sytem with fuel and boost gauge's
CUSCO Subframe bushings
CUSCO Engine mounts
CUSCO F/R Strut tower braces
Kei Office coilovers
Full ES suspension bushings
SPL RUCA's
SPL Adapter brakcets for 12.76" 350z brembo pkg rotors with Z32 30mm calipers
Full working S13 digital climate control
S14 98 model year seats
G35c 18x8 +30 wheels
Electric fan conversion
5 lug conversion rear hubs from Z32
5 lug conversion front with J30 hubs and S13 spindles with custom sleeves and spacers I made for it

probably left some stuff out

[s14fbs]

Originally Posted by UNISA JECS

The tank is ~15 gallons but not quite 16 gallons so thats between 26-27mpg.

But my calulations of 420 miles per tank full are based on using 14.5 - 14.9 gallons of gas because I didn't want to run out of gas obviously so based on that almost 29mpg's so its not to bad bad.

My bone stock S13 KA24DE sucked in the MPG department but that was mostly do to the knock sensor shielded singal wire which very commonly fails on teh S13's and shorst to ground via the shielded cable making contact with the singal line inside this multilayer wire, but thats a whole other story.

I guarntee you hardly anyother KA24DE-T will even come close to my milage and I bet they will agree.

i get 29mpg on a top mount forged setup with big injectors making 400whp

its not hard to get good mileage with a good tune and proper driving

[jdmspooge]

So, has anyone been pulled over and the cop didn't find that your KA's were turboed? Curious...

[s14fbs]

Originally Posted by jdmspooge

So, has anyone been pulled over and the cop didn't find that your KA's were turboed? Curious...

i have a crazy built top mount setup nothing hidden and i have never been asked to even pop my hood lol

[jdmspooge]

Originally Posted by s14fbs

i have a crazy built top mount setup nothing hidden and i have never been asked to even pop my hood lol

I guess it depends where you live. CA is stupid crazy. Even moms little honda gets rolled haha!

[UNISA JECS]

Originally Posted by jdmspooge

So, has anyone been pulled over and the cop didn't find that your KA's were turboed? Curious...

I have once but cop didn't say anything other than clean engine and nice car.

This is before the front was painted and bigger brakes put on and the car being droped a little more, my car looks like a stock car probably why I never got harassed even though I had a huge ass Apexi GT Spec exhaust which is very quiet by the way. The hood is also carbon fiber.

[newslidz]

my sleeper status



LOL jk... But seeing these really makes me want to build another for daily with this sleeper status that way i can love my 40s and never loose boost

[DinoMan]

^^^ I only read the top part of that post and i was pretty confused at first ill admit.

[HPKMotorsports3]

damn i want a ka... but my lambo came with a sr so its staying cause im lazy lol... new lids i like that turbo

[codyace]

Originally Posted by EsChassisLove

PS-Forged internals really really really kill gas mileage. In the mornings when I warm up I'll probably get 24mpg cuz of the warmup.

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.

Originally Posted by UNISA JECS

I guarntee you hardly anyother KA24DE-T will even come close to my milage and I bet they will agree.

My Altima got 29/30 highway

Either way nice setup. Nice and clean, just like my car

Originally Posted by GroundPerformance

While I do believe that issue on placement is minimal if any. You do bring up a good point. Thanks!

You want the return as low as you can possibly put it, but higher than the oil level. Not doing this causes frothing/foam. Minimal to you, but bad on many ends. Being a track based owner, I can assure you that frothy oil on a long turn causes issues.

Originally Posted by GroundPerformance

Thats pretty good as i get 17-18mpg currently. I wish i could get 24mpg.
A slightly bigger turbo may help.. T25 spools almost instantly on KA24.

Turbo size isn't indicative of good/poor fuel economy, condition of engine and tune are. If anything the car should see better fuel mileage with a smaller turbo due to increased torque and lack of fuel/throttle needed to accelerate.

[newslidz]

Originally Posted by codyace

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.

I was actually just thinking that and the fact that most of the times you go to a lower comp piston... it all comes down to the tunes.. your not boosting your car to make good gas milage are you? if so just go by a insight or a prius

[qwerth]

nice set ups you guys got there !

[josephin510]

Originally Posted by codyace

I've never EVER seen a MPG difference of any of the cars I've built on similar tunes stock vs forged. In fact I've gotten better fuel mileage on most setups with going to a forged piston simply due to the fact of better ring seal. Curious as to why you see such a difference.




My Altima got 29/30 highway

Either way nice setup. Nice and clean, just like my car




You want the return as low as you can possibly put it, but higher than the oil level. Not doing this causes frothing/foam. Minimal to you, but bad on many ends. Being a track based owner, I can assure you that frothy oil on a long turn causes issues.



Turbo size isn't indicative of good/poor fuel economy, condition of engine and tune are. If anything the car should see better fuel mileage with a smaller turbo due to increased torque and lack of fuel/throttle needed to accelerate.

I always get a good smile when you layeth the smack down of knowlegde.

[future]

I get 17-21mpg on a stock ka24e. I don't think that's too bad. What are you secrets to getting 25-27? I plan on joining this thread sometime but I'm wondering how you pull the extra miles out your asses lol

[redhatchy92]

Originally Posted by future

I get 17-21mpg on a stock ka24e. I don't think that's too bad. What are you secrets to getting 25-27? I plan on joining this thread sometime but I'm wondering how you pull the extra miles out your asses lol

well a dohc is much better on gas trust me. also check all your sensors they help alot.

[dRift_g0ddess]

Originally Posted by s14fbs

i have a crazy built top mount setup nothing hidden and i have never been asked to even pop my hood lol

^ ditto haha. I like to think it's because I'm a girl though Either way, I'm glad it hasn't happened yet!

Sleeper from this angle Lmao



Awesome thread, I love how these are looking! Pretty much made up my mind about future plans for the Vert.. these pics are quite motivating haha

[!Zar!]

Wtf is all this mpg bullshit?
Zilprius.net or what?

[silviaks2nr]

I'm a tad confused with this thread... Perhaps "hidden" ka-t setups would be a more appropriate theme; I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but a dinky t25 sidemount intercooler ka-t setup isn't "sleeper". It might look similar to original equipment but it's still pretty measly performance wise.