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JDMStanced · 11-07-2011, 01:09 PM

yes they are used. I should look a production date next time.

s13_maJiK · 11-07-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMStanced

i have a question about tires. Do you guys have trouble with tire treads chipping off?
This happened to almost all my tires except for continental ones.
Is it because of the tires (including no name brands), or is it because i don't warm up the tires?

That happens to me when I use really shitty tires. (Used craigslist shit)

chiboy002 · 11-07-2011, 06:41 PM

tires i recommend

Achilles ATR Sport
Sunny SN3800

both very affordable, both very nice for the price. Lasts about 9 hours on one side. stock ka, 17s

fckillerbee · 11-07-2011, 06:45 PM

old tires dry rot. it's what rubber does.

and then you add rock debris and the compression of the vehicle, you start to get cut marks ....eventually it'll start taking chunks out.

iamtheyi · 11-07-2011, 09:24 PM

Federals are pretty good too. They are about the same price as the Achilles.

chiboy002 · 11-07-2011, 10:15 PM

so ive heard
havent had personal experience though, and i heard 18s used to have issues

jasoncanseeoh · 11-08-2011, 09:22 PM

Some may be against this or think it doesn't do shit, but i haven't had any tires chunk up or chip off on me by running them backwards. Particularly Federals.

xSoCalxRiderx125 · 11-08-2011, 09:28 PM

All that does is fuck your tires up. Maybe in the rain it would be a little different but running your tires backwards just doesn't make any justifiable sense.

chiboy002 · 11-08-2011, 09:33 PM

Only downside i've heard to running directionals in reverse is driving in wet conditions. water will be pulled in by the tread pattern instead of out.

!Zar! · 11-08-2011, 10:41 PM

If you run with hella pressure in federals, it increases the chance of chunking.

Jeff Jones · 11-09-2011, 02:50 AM

New tires normally don't chunk unless you over heat them by running to much or to little air pressure. The tire will get heat expansion in the middle only if you use to much air. This will make a tire chunk due to the tread not all expanding at the same rate. Like cheap glass cracking on a hot day when you spray water on it.

Old tires just suck....

JDMStanced · 11-10-2011, 01:18 AM

thanks people.
about the toe in the rear, is drifting really effected by the rear toe? i'm contemplating between having both front and rear toe to zero, or front zero toe with .05 toe in rear.

F20cS13 · 11-10-2011, 05:02 AM

Federals chunk unless you run then in the opposite direction.

!Zar! · 11-10-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JDMStanced

thanks people.
about the toe in the rear, is drifting really effected by the rear toe? i'm contemplating between having both front and rear toe to zero, or front zero toe with .05 toe in rear.

Toe up front changes turn in.

Toe in back changes traction.

Brian · 11-10-2011, 02:01 PM

I have NEVER had a single chunk come off a Federal.

fckillerbee · 11-10-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I have NEVER had a single chunk come off a Federal.

the ONLY federal tire I have known to chunk was the 235/40 r18 and that was because if you inflated it past 50psi, it would overheat the tire, and chunk. A very normal process for a tire considering it's waaaaay past it's maximum rated heat levels.

Buuuut. According to powers, if you put Nitrogen in them, it's supposed to stabilize the air...allowing for normal temps....fixing that problem.

It's not the tire...it's the abuse we put them through.

!Zar! · 11-10-2011, 05:20 PM

I've torn off thread blocks off of 17" federals at 30psi a few times. But I was beating them relentlessly.

If you allow the tires to cool down between runs and aren't going balls out for a long time, nor running a high psi, the tire will last.

chiboy002 · 11-10-2011, 05:26 PM

nitrogen is really nice shit but damn near no one has it, especially on track. and filling nitro and mixing with air will just cause some wierd shit

anyone ever use federal 595 RS-R? reviews?
i wanna know how they stack up as front tires

fckillerbee · 11-10-2011, 05:27 PM

^they are real nice. smoke a ton. henry schelley ran them in FD on the s13. ;D

I ran them for a while on my s14 in the front. grips really well.

JDMStanced · 11-10-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

Toe up front changes turn in.

Toe in back changes traction.

Are you saying toe in in the back will give better traction while drifting?

chiboy002 · 11-10-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

^they are real nice. smoke a ton. henry schelley ran them in FD on the s13. ;D

I ran them for a while on my s14 in the front. grips really well.

alright cool
thats what i heard on a bunch of other car forums

i was thinking ad08 up front but the rs-r are like 90$ cheaper

my only concern, a 215/40 feddy will stretch like a normal 225/40, right? never used those tires before

pacotaco345 · 11-10-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMStanced

Are you saying toe in in the back will give better traction while drifting?

When I first lowered my car and aligned it on an uneven surface I had toe out in the back. You know how if you have toe out in the front it makes the steering twitchy/super responsive?? Well toe out in the back made my car feel like the rear end was on marbles. It felt like the subframe was attached to the car via jell-o. Just put it this way:

Front toe in - stable front end
Front toe out - responsive but twitchy front end
Rear toe in - stable/somewhat harder to break loose rear end
Rear toe out - scary as hell will make you feel like you're driving sideways in the rain with your eyes closed...

JDMStanced · 11-11-2011, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

When I first lowered my car and aligned it on an uneven surface I had toe out in the back. You know how if you have toe out in the front it makes the steering twitchy/super responsive?? Well toe out in the back made my car feel like the rear end was on marbles. It felt like the subframe was attached to the car via jell-o. Just put it this way:

Front toe in - stable front end
Front toe out - responsive but twitchy front end
Rear toe in - stable/somewhat harder to break loose rear end
Rear toe out - scary as hell will make you feel like you're driving sideways in the rain with your eyes closed...

With rear toe in, "somewhat" harder to break loose rear end which means more smoke when drifting. no? sorry i'm noob

fckillerbee · 11-11-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMStanced

With rear toe in, "somewhat" harder to break loose rear end which means more smoke when drifting. no? sorry i'm noob

imagine skiing. it creates friction.

Imagine trying to transition and you have added friction. It will snap more.

as far as adding extra traction...I personally haven't noticed it. But I've ran zero toe almost all my life, and it hasn't been a big deal. I'm sure those calculations are more for trying to move up the ladder in FD.

pacotaco345 · 11-11-2011, 06:25 PM

^^ listen to this guy, much better driver than me lol. But seriously, you should run 0 toe in the rear.. there's not really any benefits to running to out or in back there. The front end is where you should mess with stuff, camber/toe/caster... I mean in simplest form they are what steer the car.

!Zar! · 11-11-2011, 07:23 PM

Toe out in the rear is wack since it makes the care really sketch.

Toe in increases traction and stability. As of right now, I run no toe in rear.

chiboy002 · 11-12-2011, 01:37 AM

0* toe in rear is pretty much ideal

toe in also does some wierd shit to traction. people on this level of driving wont notice, or need, the difference anyways

Perfect Balance · 11-12-2011, 10:06 PM

Love that video of the 240 at Ebisu. That's the guy from roadsterdrift, forget his name. I've always been a fan of drifting like that. For me, smooth, precise drifts with smooth driving > super aggressive driving where the driver is flailing around, even with backwards entries and whatnot. Smoothness does it more for me. (that's what she said) That's why I've always liked watching driving videos of Taniguchi, and that's the kind of drifter I strive to me.

EDIT: Shit, I'm a page behind. But yeah.

word sux · 11-13-2011, 03:26 PM

toe in, in the rear helps with traction and for drifting helps allot with the forward bite. I will be bumping up the rear toe from 0 to -.5 in the rear for next year. (oem spec is -1/16th of a degree in the rear)

for a low hp car i would not bother but if you are going north of 300whp I would suggest adding some - rear toe, you will love it..

word sux · 11-13-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfect Balance

Love that video of the 240 at Ebisu. That's the guy from roadsterdrift, forget his name. I've always been a fan of drifting like that. For me, smooth, precise drifts with smooth driving > super aggressive driving where the driver is flailing around, even with backwards entries and whatnot. Smoothness does it more for me. (that's what she said) That's why I've always liked watching driving videos of Taniguchi, and that's the kind of drifter I strive to me.

EDIT: Shit, I'm a page behind. But yeah.

smooth driving has more to do with the car setup. I used to flail around like my cabin was full of bees but since this past year I have had a good suspension setup and its sooo different.

I let the car steer itself allot more now, with stock caster its really hard to do that.

11-07-2011, 09:24 PM	#935
iamtheyi Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brea, CA Age: 33 Posts: 2,252 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Federals are pretty good too. They are about the same price as the Achilles. __________________

11-08-2011, 10:41 PM	#940
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	If you run with hella pressure in federals, it increases the chance of chunking. __________________

11-09-2011, 02:50 AM	#941
Jeff Jones Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LA Age: 42 Posts: 186 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	New tires normally don't chunk unless you over heat them by running to much or to little air pressure. The tire will get heat expansion in the middle only if you use to much air. This will make a tire chunk due to the tread not all expanding at the same rate. Like cheap glass cracking on a hot day when you spray water on it. Old tires just suck.... __________________ http://www.facebook.com/Jeffjonesracing

11-10-2011, 05:02 AM	#943
F20cS13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Vegas Posts: 172 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Federals chunk unless you run then in the opposite direction. __________________ Honda powered s13

11-10-2011, 02:01 PM	#945
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	I have NEVER had a single chunk come off a Federal. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

11-07-2011, 01:09 PM	#931
JDMStanced Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: irvine Posts: 606 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	yes they are used. I should look a production date next time.

11-07-2011, 06:41 PM	#933
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,435 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	tires i recommend Achilles ATR Sport Sunny SN3800 both very affordable, both very nice for the price. Lasts about 9 hours on one side. stock ka, 17s

11-07-2011, 06:45 PM	#934
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 40 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	old tires dry rot. it's what rubber does. and then you add rock debris and the compression of the vehicle, you start to get cut marks ....eventually it'll start taking chunks out.

11-07-2011, 10:15 PM	#936
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,435 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	so ive heard havent had personal experience though, and i heard 18s used to have issues

11-08-2011, 09:22 PM	#937
jasoncanseeoh Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Seattle FTW Posts: 152 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Some may be against this or think it doesn't do shit, but i haven't had any tires chunk up or chip off on me by running them backwards. Particularly Federals.

11-08-2011, 09:28 PM	#938
xSoCalxRiderx125 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 121 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	All that does is fuck your tires up. Maybe in the rain it would be a little different but running your tires backwards just doesn't make any justifiable sense.

11-08-2011, 09:33 PM	#939
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,435 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Only downside i've heard to running directionals in reverse is driving in wet conditions. water will be pulled in by the tread pattern instead of out.

11-10-2011, 01:18 AM	#942
JDMStanced Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: irvine Posts: 606 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	thanks people. about the toe in the rear, is drifting really effected by the rear toe? i'm contemplating between having both front and rear toe to zero, or front zero toe with .05 toe in rear.

11-10-2011, 05:20 PM	#947
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I've torn off thread blocks off of 17" federals at 30psi a few times. But I was beating them relentlessly. If you allow the tires to cool down between runs and aren't going balls out for a long time, nor running a high psi, the tire will last. __________________

11-10-2011, 05:26 PM	#948
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,435 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	nitrogen is really nice shit but damn near no one has it, especially on track. and filling nitro and mixing with air will just cause some wierd shit anyone ever use federal 595 RS-R? reviews? i wanna know how they stack up as front tires

11-10-2011, 05:27 PM	#949
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 40 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	^they are real nice. smoke a ton. henry schelley ran them in FD on the s13. ;D I ran them for a while on my s14 in the front. grips really well.

11-11-2011, 06:25 PM	#955
pacotaco345 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SoCal/Ft Worth TX Age: 31 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	^^ listen to this guy, much better driver than me lol. But seriously, you should run 0 toe in the rear.. there's not really any benefits to running to out or in back there. The front end is where you should mess with stuff, camber/toe/caster... I mean in simplest form they are what steer the car. __________________

11-11-2011, 07:23 PM	#956
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Toe out in the rear is wack since it makes the care really sketch. Toe in increases traction and stability. As of right now, I run no toe in rear. __________________

11-12-2011, 01:37 AM	#957
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,435 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	0* toe in rear is pretty much ideal toe in also does some wierd shit to traction. people on this level of driving wont notice, or need, the difference anyways

11-12-2011, 10:06 PM	#958
Perfect Balance Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Age: 34 Posts: 397 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Love that video of the 240 at Ebisu. That's the guy from roadsterdrift, forget his name. I've always been a fan of drifting like that. For me, smooth, precise drifts with smooth driving > super aggressive driving where the driver is flailing around, even with backwards entries and whatnot. Smoothness does it more for me. (that's what she said) That's why I've always liked watching driving videos of Taniguchi, and that's the kind of drifter I strive to me. EDIT: Shit, I'm a page behind. But yeah.

11-13-2011, 03:26 PM	#959
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 63 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	toe in, in the rear helps with traction and for drifting helps allot with the forward bite. I will be bumping up the rear toe from 0 to -.5 in the rear for next year. (oem spec is -1/16th of a degree in the rear) for a low hp car i would not bother but if you are going north of 300whp I would suggest adding some - rear toe, you will love it..