SRT-4. Cool car, but what the hell!?

[ONYX S-13]

Originally Posted by JagdStealth

I'd put money on SRT4 vs. a stock 240SX any year, even on the skid pad. We already know that Neon ACRs kill most cars in class in AutoX, including the stock 240SX.

Yeah but who keeps their 240 stock if they are into competition racing (Drag,Road,AutoX,Etc)...After just minor suspension mods the 240 will dominate over the T4..

[old_s13]

Originally Posted by Bliss

240sx a sports car? puh-leeze. every car thats RWD isn't a sports car. it may be a SPORTY car, but not even close to a "sports" car.

well.. thats why people who think like you dont appreciate cars like the 240sx and miata.. because they think its about power and price, huh?

last i checked, i look at a sports-car based on its design, its chassis, its upgradeability, and even its STOCK characteristics.

both the miata, 240SX, and 240Z are and have been appreciated not because they are excessively powerful OR expensive, but because they are good cars with good chassis, that are capable of performing even in stock trim.

jeez.. its silly to say that just ANY RWD car is a sportscar, because thats hardly the case. How many RWD exist that suck? long before FWD was common, there were PLENTY of sucky RWD cars.

[MakotoS13]

BS.. a Miata is a sportscar.. pricetag has nothing to do with it. a 240Z when it was released was a sportscar, price means nothing.

hey einstein, who's callin what a sports car? i said that those stats put it above econobox status by default, not that it automatically made it a sports car. BMW 318's cost around 30K and they sure as hell aren't sports cars.

jeez.. its silly to say that just ANY RWD car is a sportscar, because thats hardly the case.

wow, then it sure is a good thing i didn't say that in any way at all. my statement was about what usually disqualified a car as being an econobox.

i will always believe that there is and never will be any such thing as a FWD sports car BUT RWD doesn't automatically qualify it as having that status. also, just because a car isn't an econobox doesn't make it a sports car:

trucks
sport trucks
sport sedans
roadsters
coupes
hatchbacks
convertables

see? lots of variation in there, hotshot. not all VW's are econoboxes. what about that W12 VW that's out (or comin out)? that suckers pretty anti-economied out the yin-yang.

paying attention doesn't cost anything and this converstation isn't about quantum theory. i don't think it's too much to ask that you read what i write properly and try to keep up.

p.s. the miata costs about the same as a base mustang GT which is a sports car.

[sykikchimp]

The S13 240sx was a "sports car". The S14 240sx was a "sporty" car.

The difference is in the personality of the car. S13's were built with enthusiests in mind. The s14 was built with secretaries in mind.

I'm not sure how anyone could drive an s13 and not call it a sports car.

[AKADriver]

It has a rear seat. Useless as it may be, that disqualifies it immediately by any real definition.

Also, I don't know if you remember what your S13 was like stock, but mine had the softest suspension of any car I've owned.

[aznpoopy]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

The s14 was built with secretaries in mind.

goddamnit, i'm a secretary??? no! no wonder my girlfriend likes my car so much!!! hm actually i owned the car for a month thinking something wasn't right about it. for the longest time i thought i bought a s13 coupe.

anyway everyone's definition of sports car is different. who cares? drive what you like. btw my s14 is classified as 'compact' under my insurance company, so sykik might be on to something here.

[MakotoS13]

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

who cares? drive what you like.

that's probably the best thing anyone's said so far

[old_s13]

who cares what any of you idiots have to say..

i am the best
i make the most sense on this forum
and.. i write the funniest shit to date

and... i have a cold and my nose hasnt stopped running for the past 8 hours. god i hate life right now. oh well, i still hate you guys.. cold or no cold.. rest assured, you guys always make me feel sick.

[Bliss]

Uh oh...with Old S13 out, who will rip into the newbs????

Oh wait, i forgot..theres definately NOT a lack of that around here.

I wouldn't say rear-seat disqualifies something from sports car status. M3 anyone? what about an RX-8? (there bleh, but they SHOULD fit in this category) M5 too.

Who said all I care about is price and power? How about power to weight ratio. 140 hp from a KA24(D)E/weight of 240sx definately doesnt equal sports car status. Sorry. If all I cared about was power and price, I'd drive a f-body or mustang.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

The difference is in the personality of the car. S13's were built with enthusiests in mind. The s14 was built with secretaries in mind.

You're confused. The difference was in the marketing.

[AKADriver]

Originally Posted by Bliss

I wouldn't say rear-seat disqualifies something from sports car status. M3 anyone? what about an RX-8? (there bleh, but they SHOULD fit in this category) M5 too.

Those are all sports sedans. Yes, 2 door cars can be sedans. The Skyline GT-R is a sports sedan, too.

These are semi-official definitions used by the motoring press. They consider a sports car to be a 1- or 2- seater ONLY, with very few exceptions (like, say, the 3-seater McLaren F1). More seats are excess weight and size, not conducive to making a car more fun to drive.

[old_s13]

They consider a sports car to be a 1- or 2- seater ONLY, with very few exceptions (like, say, the 3-seater McLaren F1). More seats are excess weight and size, not conducive to making a car more fun to drive.

Yeah.. if I had a McLaren F1 I would be very pissed off.. who can have fun and drive a car like that with 2 bitches in the back.. I would have to sell it and buy an SRT4 or a Viper.

- Asshole

[sykikchimp]

BAH.. well.. my cars a friggin sports car now damnit!

[MakotoS13]

They consider a sports car to be a 1- or 2- seater ONLY, with very few exceptions

yeah, that extra 10-40 lbs has to seriously detract from the driveability. i mean, the skyline obviously suffers from this horribly. yeah, and we all know the RX-8 has the fattest arse of all.

/sarcasm

B/S

[sykikchimp]

"sports car" - An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds. (dictionary.com)

[Var]

Well my s13 has a drag coefficient of .30, mine only has 2 seats, and has a low center of gravity, and has precise control at high speeds. It has a roll cage so it's also equipped for racing. I'll sleep comfortably tonight knowing i drive a sports car.

[old_s13]

did i mention the srt4 = crap car?

thanks

be quiet and kill this thread, once and for all.

[sr20det240pa]

crap cars, run hard yes, but crap every person i knew to have one, new old, had it break, saw one this weekend get smoked in a race, and only ran 13.9 at the track, thats not bad, but how reliable is that car...but hey if u got the money to blow, who cares....and yes to get a cheap price these days, u really think its as reliable as a STI? Lancer?..doubt it, cutting corners = price cut ....they just marketed the engine and boost and power so that no one would look into anything else. Just speeed...duhh

[AKADriver]

Originally Posted by sr20det240pa

crap cars, run hard yes, but crap every person i knew to have one, new old, had it break, saw one this weekend get smoked in a race, and only ran 13.9 at the track, thats not bad, but how reliable is that car...but hey if u got the money to blow, who cares....and yes to get a cheap price these days, u really think its as reliable as a STI? Lancer?..doubt it, cutting corners = price cut ....they just marketed the engine and boost and power so that no one would look into anything else. Just speeed...duhh

Whoa, whoa, you mean, people have had to take cars in for repairs? I mean, wow, I've never had to repair a car before. A complex electrical and mechanical system running in a multitude of environmental conditions and frequent heat cycles should never have problems!

Right.

Yeah, my '95 Neon needed a couple repairs. So did my 240SX. So did my VW GTI. My 200SX needed a LOT, but it was old. My Mazda and Honda both had repair work done before I bought them. The most statistically reliable cars - Lexus - still average about 120 problems per 100 cars within the first 5 years of ownership. So saying "oh yeah they all break" means nothing, ALL CARS BREAK.

Speaking of reliability statistics, Subaru is mid-pack and Mitsubishi is near the bottom. Chrysler and Dodge fall between them.

Cutting corners means it's not luxurious, it's front wheel drive, the interior plastics are hard and shiny.

Driving dynamics are pretty much my only deciding factor between cars, so why should I look at anything else?

[Burmonster]

The "cracked" connecting rods just scare me. They work great on drag cars and road cars where the engine is pretty much rebuilt after everyrace, but on a car to used as a daily driver? No thank you.

[MakotoS13]

seriously... this thread is dead... bury it.

[millworkman]

dont kill it, i like listening to people fight back and forth about their own prefrences, its fun. 240Z=sex

[AKADriver]

Originally Posted by millworkman

dont kill it, i like listening to people fight back and forth about their own prefrences, its fun. 240Z=sex

But that's not what's going on at all. The fight is between people saying "this car sucks and anyone who likes it is a sucky retard who sucks" and me trying to open their eyes to possibilities outside Japan. It's not their preference versus mine, it's closed versus open minds.

Cracked rods are common in production performance cars these days. The GM LT1, LT4, LS1, LS6 engines all use them.

[old_s13]

this car sucks and anyone who likes it is a sucky retard who sucks

[Var]

And the fat lady has spoken. Close this thread

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by AKADriver

Cracked rods are common in production performance cars these days. The GM LT1, LT4, LS1, LS6 engines all use them.

Did not know that. Wonder if that has anything to do with those engines seeming to lose "umpfh" when they hit about 70k miles.

[MakotoS13]

Originally Posted by Burmonster

Did not know that. Wonder if that has anything to do with those engines seeming to lose "umpfh" when they hit about 70k miles.

perhaps some, but i've never heard of it. the vette is one of the most dependable sports cars around and the f-body shares the same engines/powertrains (minus the LS6 and LT4). there are plenty of 70K+ C5's C4's, and F-bodies still tearin up exotic arse (:

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally Posted by Archangelprez

perhaps some, but i've never heard of it. the vette is one of the most dependable sports cars around and the f-body shares the same engines/powertrains (minus the LS6 and LT4). there are plenty of 70K+ C5's C4's, and F-bodies still tearin up exotic arse (:

Yeah,I've ridden/been around plenty of them and never heard that,either? Hmm.

[sykikchimp]

Isn't a "Cracked" rod one that is forged in a single peice, then the bottom is broken so that the two peices fit perfectly together when they attach them to the crank?

[AKADriver]

Yeah, exactly. Instead of forging the rod and the cap separately and machining them to fit together, they forge them as one piece, machine them, then break the cap off, making for a perfect mating surface and a perfectly round big end.

I can't think of any disadvantages off-hand, though I wonder how the rod bearings stay in place?